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I haven't heard any news about it.
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season
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I haven't heard any news about it.
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Ok. I'm looking forward to watch the full clip of this visit when it comes out. The ladies look so happy to see him. It's so heartwarming
If we start talking about Japanese colors, it would be a looooooong story. Japanese, especially our ansestors seem to have some kind of tendency of color fetish.
There are so many shades of colors that have unique names as well as their layer combinations, which were used according to seasons, occasions, and classes. For the nobles of old days, the knowledge about the color layers was something very important that shows or proves their accomplishments and cultivation.
I knew this as the knowledge on our history, and that the layers of colors had significant meaning for the people, but I checked it on the internet this time and gave up to explain it in summary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_colors_of_Japan
I could not find this explanation about the color layers in English. This site is an amazing one with so much information. Maybe only experts can explain this to you.
http://www.bb.em-net.ne.jp/~maccafushigi/mac/7.htm
If you click 平安 (Heian) and 続 平安 (Heian continued) at the top of the page, it will give you some information about the clothes and color layers in Heian Period, although it is in Japanese.
The green and purple used for Yuzuru's costume seem to be very classic Japanese colors to me. But, it is very unlikely the designer knew the meaning of colors when he or she chose them.
I hope this will be some help.
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I love this music!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfeS8KsdW2M
This is the music for his LP? Thank you !
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The men's leaders don't usually UR 4t and 4s. Actually most men don't UR jumps, whether they jump quads or triples, whether they fall or not fall on their jumps. I don't think men UR quads more/less often than triples (it seems this way based on the protocols). Male skaters that UR jumps is the minority. I think it's because men are physically strong, so they usually don't have much trouble completing the rotation. So raising BV of UR quads favors that minority group of male skaters who are weaker jumpers.
I am not a tech expert. I kind of assumed wrong edge is not related to UR. So I don't think the deduction for UR and wrong edge are related. But the ISU did reduce the total for a jump that has both wrong edge and UR problems. The deduction is 40% of the BV. Mathematically, it doesn't make much sense though. UR receives 30% deduction and wrong edge receives 30% deduction, but UR+ wrong edge only receives 40% deduction. The additional wrong edge only receives 10% incremental deduction. The math doesn't add up. The math implies making only one mistakes is more costly than making two mistakes. Again the rule change favors skaters who have worse techniques.
It would make more sense if UR receives 20% deduction and wrong edge receives 20% deduction, and UR+wrong edge receive 40% deduction.
Overall, I do feel the rule change favors bad technique.
I think before the rule change, the judges were already giving -GOE to poorly executed UR jumps, when the deduction of UR was 30% BV.
UR (and wrong edge) receives deduction in both BV and GOE. Harsh deductions discourages skaters from attempting risky elements. Lenient deduction encourages cheating/bad techniques. I think there needs to be a balance between being too harsh and being too lenient on mistakes.
One question I have is, what lead to the elimination of quads before 2010? Was it the harsh UR deduction or the harsh fall deduction? Both deductions were quite harsh at that time. Or was it because it was such a weak field that no one could master quad at that time? Or was it because the BV did not reflect the relative difficulty of the jumps?
Before Vancouver: UR deduction > fall deduction (At Vancouver Olympics, only one male skater UR quad. Most skaters did not UR quad even when they fell.)
Post Vancouver: UR deduction = fall deduction (the fall deduction is slightly bigger if you include the deduction in PCS due to falling.)
Now: UR deduction < fall deduction
If the intention of the rule change is to punish falls more without discouraging skaters attempting quads, increasing -GOE without lowering the BV of UR quad would achieve the same outcome. UR deduction would still be less than fall deduction, but by a smaller margin. The margin would reduce by 0.8 point. And it would not favor bad techniques.
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Considering his obvious involvement it 24Hr Terebi t-shirts design it's pretty possible IMO.
He visited Ishinomaki for 24Hr exactly one year and a day ago (June 17th).
Thank you for your detailed reply. I feel like the rule was really harsh back then during Vancouver for those who would fall attempting quads. I remember that even inconsistent quads jumpers would still invest time and effort into a quad (Johnny Weir, Evan Lysacek) and then if they fall and get like around 2 or less for a quad- UR and fallen- what was the reason for them even to try hard? Lambiel when skated his LP during Olys in Vancouver said he had to do his best not to fall on his quads during LP and he was so focused it was hard to perform. After the Olys he said that overall the atmosphere at Vancouver was "funny" because nobody knew what would let them win- quads or clean skate. So it was like a No No to fall. What some skaters did- they just let quads go and do their best to perform clean triple jumps with the best technique they could in order to get more GOE for clean execution. You know the result.
I feel that this change is due to be interpreted in marks and only then we might see where this change goes for figure skaters. It will very much depend on the tech panel and then the judges behaviour. It is really hard to predict if the change would benefit figure skaing in general or it will reduce the quads types and quad performers up to the Olympic season. I guess the upcoming season would be sort of another experiment for ISU.:think:
We have another nice comment from Elizabet Tursynbaeva about Yuzu and Javi: "Icenetwork: How does it feel to train on the same ice as elite skaters like Yuzuru Hanyu and Javier Fernández? Do you take something from them? And how have they interacted with you?
Tursynbaeva: They are very funny and good guys. They take everyone equally and without any sign of pride. When I look at them, I marvel at their professionalism. I really like Yuzuru's new program. In general, it's an honor to share the same ice with these guys.
Full article.
Tursynbaeva: They are very funny and good guys. They take everyone equally and without any sign of pride. When I look at them, I marvel at their professionalism. I really like Yuzuru's new program. In general, it's an honor to share the same ice with these guys.
Full article.
But all skaters who attempted quads (except one) at Vancouver did not UR their quads even when they fell. If they did not UR their quad, they would get 4 points for the quad. If you UR and fall, you probably got no points. Post Vancouver: if you rotate and fall, you get 6 points. Now with the new rule change, if you rotate and fall, you get about 5 points. So -4 GOE is really the most deduction you can give to fallen quads, otherwise, we might go back to Vancouver.
But I think one reason that encouraged skaters to avoid quad was because the reward for the easier triples were too high relative to quads. They get more points for doing easier jumps. The reward for easier triples were too high relative to the more difficult jumps, which creates the disincentives to avoid quads. I don't think UR was the main reason that skaters avoided quads back then. (Maybe UR was the reason weaker/more inconsistent jumpers avoided quads. But to stronger jumpers, UR wouldn't be the reason to avoid quad. Most men don't UR jumps.)
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Aww, thanks! I really like your Avatar too. The art is great! I get a lot of inspiration from figure skating fan art, and some of the best ones are of Yuzu.
You're welcome
Thank you for sharing it with us~Thanks for the updates everyone
The older ladies seem so happy to see him in that clip, and I love how he's sitting so comfortably with them, like a little kid listening to their grandparents stories All the younger skaters have nothing but praise for Yuzu and Javi
And she's already making me more excited to watch Yuzu's new programs (at least the DOI broadcast)It is quite rare to have two leading men who are nice and very down to earth you know.All the younger skaters have nothing but praise for Yuzu and Javi
My issue with clean non-quad programs is they are basically boring to watch, men competitions imply risk- I cannot get satisfaction from non-quad programs. But then again- all fallen quads program is a bad thing too. I hope strong jumpers would find the solution to their falls and... you know... it would be funny to watch who wins the man field based on less falls. (If the components would not serve as a magic pill for falling yet again, ugh.)
p. 1601-1610
Ive just watched the Junior Worlds 2015 now, and im watching Sota's FS with CBC commentary. The first 20 seconds Kurt says: "better hope Yuzuru Hanyu is watching cause he stuck into his closet and took one of his old costumes...and some of his old moves." oh is Sota's fanboy that clear that commentators make the connection
http://youtu.be/Fkh_4rtt-B0
If the field is competitive, the skater who does a difficult program with less mistakes win. If the field is relatively weak, e.g. 2007-2010 and 2011-2013, it's very likely the skater who does a difficult program with more mistakes or who does a clean easy program wins. The current field of both men and women are quite strong. The men and women's podiums at WC 2015 were based on who made less mistakes. So it's looking good.
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Apparently Yuzuru's pretty popular in Spain?* Lol Japanese/Chinese fans were surprised, since they didn't know about this poll, yet he was leading by 20k+ votes :shocked:
http://listas.20minutos.es/deportes/los-100-mejores-patinadores-de-la-historia-395319/
And some more backstage photos from FaOI
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http://listas.20minutos.es/deportes/los-100-mejores-patinadores-de-la-historia-395319/
And some more backstage photos from FaOI
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This is Spain, he is very popular there, imo he is the most loved Japanese skater in Europe ever
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This is Spain, he is very popular there, imo he is the most loved Japanese skater in Europe ever
Thank you for correction
caption: On the left: The Lord Of The Five Rings. On the right: The Lord Of The Buffet.
This sport seems to attract dorky people
