2015 Japan Open

[Leonardo]

No totally not towards you, I was a bit surprised about Leonardo post, somehow made me think I am hostile and hater

Sorry! It wasn't directed towards you. I don't think you are a hater or anything.

 

[Marin]

Sorry! It wasn't directed towards you. I don't think you are a hater or anything.

Thanks

 

[Khoai]

You are totally biased. Many other skaters get very inflated scores in many areas, but all you do is criticizing the japanese skaters. Anyway, you can hate and expect bad things for the japanese skaters as much as you want, it won't harm them, their results, and won't make reasonable figure skating fans hate them. This is getting pathetic. You should try a voodoo for the jpn skaters or something, bashing skaters on figure skating boards certainly won't work.

In no memory of mine I bashed Japanese's skaters as people. I don't know them personally.

I think you are mistaking criticizing the technical side and scoring to bashing. I have pointed out all the reasons why I find Mr. Uno should not get the GOE he is getting (and even some levels) but you keep saying that I am bashing Japanese skaters.

Why are you thinking that I only criticize Japanese skaters? Because you're a Japanese fans (or fans of Japanese skaters)? Why so sensitive?

You don't know how many skaters I have commented on, but you only see the Japanese skaters, I guess you are very selective of what you see.

My point is clear, Mr Uno (and Miss Miyahara) have been receiving too much GOE which leads to inflated TES for several months, the worst case in point is Junior World, and Japan Open is somewhat forgivable because it's not ISU event.

This kind of scoring is unfair and it will only lead to people using Unoflation word over and over again.

I guess JSF doesn't care. But in fact if this continue it will be very discouraging for the sport. Some skaters don't need to improve their quality in the jumps, because now judges don't reward quality as much as quantity.

Some certain skaters could just UR, pre-rotate, landing on the inside edge etc... No harm because judges are lenient on them, always.

And if you want to talk about other skaters, then there's Mr. Nguyen I'd like to share my opinion about his massive pre-rotation on his quads and 3A. But he wasn't at Japan Open, how am I supposed to talk about him here?

 

[andromache]

So after watching some of the performances (didn't bother with some...:hopelessness: Gracie) here are my thoughts:

Mao's program . I could watch her footwork sequence all day long. Great to see her back and almost in technical form. A clean Mao should really have no competition--the other aspects of her skating are far and away the best of the bunch.

I was not an Adelina fan. Sochi made me mad, and I was pessimistic about her returning to competition. I have now converted after watching this performance (the first performance I've watched from her since Sochi.) I really, really hope she can get back all the technical goods she had in 2014. Everything aside from the technical stuff has vastly improved since Sochi. Her posture, her movements, her expressiveness with the music. Je Suis Malade is somewhat overdramatic and overwrought, but she sells me on it. I love the drama, the cheesy opening by the boards, her facial expressions. I don't like the rhinestone heart on the costume but otherwise, Adelina and this program = Considering her my favorite Russian lady, and I want to see her improve technically since her PCS skills are so much better than the rest of the Russian ladies (except for maybe Julia. Not sure yet).

Oh Liza. She's so beautiful. I like the drama in the costume. But she hasn't improved her spins, presentation, or skating skills at all since last season, and this program is a hot mess. Her arm movements make me crazy. Sorry Liza.

It's been a long time since I've seen PChan skate. I knew rationally he had the best SS basically ever, but I had forgotten just how mesmerizing his skating is. He still doesn't seem particularly expressive or musical, but it really doesn't matter much when he can skate like he does. If Javi is getting high 8s and low 9s for SS, Patrick should be getting 11s. It's the same old, same old from Javi, but I still really enjoy watching his program. He's adorable.

 

[samm22]

In no memory of mine I bashed Japanese's skaters as people. I don't know them personally.
I think you are mistaking criticizing the technical side and scoring to bashing. I have pointed out all the reasons why I find Mr. Uno should not get the GOE he is getting (and even some levels) but you keep saying that I am bashing Japanese skaters.

Why are you thinking that I only criticize Japanese skaters? Because you're a Japanese fans (or fans of Japanese skaters)? Why so sensitive?

You don't know how many skaters I have commented on, but you only see the Japanese skaters, I guess you are very selective of what you see.

My point is clear, Mr Uno and Miss Miyahara have been receiving too much GOE which leads to inflated TES for several months, the worst case in point is Junior World, and Japan Open is somewhat forgivable because it's not ISU event.

This kind of scoring is unfair and it will only lead to people using Unoflation word over and over again.

I guess JSF doesn't care. But in fact if this continue it will be very discouraging for the sport. Some skaters don't need to improve their quality in the jumps, because now judges don't reward quality as much as quantity.

Some certain skaters could just UR, pre-rotate, landing on the inside edge etc... No harm because judges are lenient on them, always.

Judges are actually (usually) very tough on Satoko. I disagree about the pre rotation except maybe on the flip. She often gets underrotation calls, especially on the second lutz. She skated beautifully here. Her jumps are fine imho.

 

[aa456]

Haven't really watched FS much since Sochi besides 4CC and worlds last year. All I can say is, thank god Mao came back. Just watching her flow across the ice is a pleasure. I'm a little worried about the 3-3loop and 3-2-2loops though, because of that silly Zayak rule for double jumps.

 

[AprilS]

I was there with my coach, and it was a big joke.

You don't ask why Korean fans dislike scores for Japanese skaters. You know the answer.

Errrr, making a huge generalization here, I think Korean and Japanese fans don't get along for reasons other than figure skating... Honestly, it's like these other reasons carry into figure skating (something I find quite annoying, really - I always like it when I see a korean fan complimenting a japanese skater or vice versa).

Anyways, while I do agree that Uno and Miyahara probably shouldn't be getting such high GOE, I think it might help to get some more diplomatic replies if you tried to not sound so condescending in your posts (I know you probably don't mean to and many people will disagree, but that's the way you come off to me... sorry ).

 

[betat]

I was shocked to see those scores too, my coach, and my training mates, our reactions were the same.

By the end of October we will meet some ISU specialists, I couldn't wait to ask them about the GOE.

It seems to me now, great jumping quality is overlooked and some certain judges at some certain events are placing more weight on quantity.

Actually reading the criteria on goe written in the ISU communications might help you understand why he gets his goe's.There are times when he got over marked goe's but not that much in terms of the points. Maybe less than a point.

 

[Khoai]

Actually reading the criteria on goe written in the ISU communications might help you understand why he gets his goe's.There are times when he got over marked goe's but not that much in terms of the points. Maybe less than a point.

I do read. The point is: Do you think 1 point overscore in each element is small?
There are 13 elements, 1 point overscore in each element lead to 13 points overscore. Of course this is exaggerating but you do see why it's not just 1 point. I'd say Mr. Uno is often overscored 5-7 points in TES.

And we are not even talking about the PCS which he is always getting very generous score.

Errrr, making a huge generalization here, I think Korean and Japanese fans don't get along for reasons other than figure skating... Honestly, it's like these other reasons carry into figure skating (something I find quite annoying, really - I always like it when I see a korean fan complimenting a japanese skater or vice versa).
Anyways, while I do agree that Uno and Miyahara probably shouldn't be getting such high GOE, I think it might help to get some more diplomatic replies if you tried to not sound so condescending in your posts (I know you probably don't mean to and many people will disagree, but that's the way you come off to me... sorry ).

Oh I am sorry, by no means I am saying that all Korean fans dislike Japanese skaters. There are fans of Miss Asada and Mr Takahashi, Mr Hanyu...here.

However, from my observation at 4CC, the scores for Mr. Uno was too high, especially the GOE, and his 3A getting higher GOE than Mr. Han Yan, was simply a joke for me. Our rink members were there for the whole event. Many people didn't agree with that.

About Miss Miyahara, she rotates very fast, but some of her jumps are extremely questionable and should have been reviewed more seriously. I don't think she deserves 71 TES even here when she did well.

Oh and it seems I haven't criticized some skaters enough.

Mr Fernandez getting GOE for his fall is ridiculous.

Mr Patrick getting lower PCS than Mr Fernandez is funny, but I assume the reason is because he did not land a quad.

 

[Jammers]

For me Adelina was the most artistic out there. She actually makes me like that music. I want her to win world's!
I don't quite get the criticism of Gracie. All she needs is better conditioning, and once she does BAM she is US champion again. Firebird works for her imo.

Gracie's problem isn't conditioning. It's that she freezes up when she competes and can't do what she does in practice. She did 2 back to back clean run through's of her LP when the Skating Lesson was at her rink last week and then she skates like this. All you have to do is look at her face as she takes the ice to compete. She has the Alissa Czisny Jeremy Abbott deer in the headlights look.

 

[MaxSwagg]

I think SHoma's score was only "inflated" by 5-ish points. His best is like 175 I think (correct me if I'm wrong) and his presentation here was much better than that performance. And of course Mishin harps on jump technique because none of his skaters have been what I would call "refined." Jump technique is all he has to critique because there's generally nothing else in the programs of his skaters...

 

[Interspectator]

I can't believe it but...I LIKE GRACIE GOLD'S PROGRAM. Wow. --If only she could land her stuff in competition. Also, that strange feathery bit at the back of her dress has got to go.
Please, Gracie, for me.

 

[Khoai]

I think SHoma's score was only "inflated" by 5-ish points. His best is like 175 I think (correct me if I'm wrong) and his presentation here was much better than that performance. And of course Mishin harps on jump technique because none of his skaters have been what I would call "refined." Jump technique is all he has to critique because there's generally nothing else in the programs of his skaters...

My best for Mr Uno is 178 for this performance. Even his best 175 is too high.

Of course when I think of Mr. Nguyen getting 177 for his domestic event...wayyyy overscoring. Another flation soon will be discussed.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Why are people bitching about the scoring so much. Shoma gave a phenomenal performance. If Chan skated perfectly with that technical content, his score would break 200. Shoma getting 185 is very acceptable. Do you understand what he did out there? It was stunning. Maybe I wouldn't score exactly 185, but low 180's was for sure deserved.

He is very much a contender for a World medal and could even win it if he continues to skate like that. A clean SP + that LP certainly would have deserved to win last year. It's great that we now have 5 people who could potentially win Worlds.

I don't get all the harping on Satoko's jumps.

It has been very, very deserved in the past, but they do seem to be getting better! The opening 3Lutz+3Toe looked like it might have actually made it to that 1/4 turn mark. Her jumps all looked slightly higher here. The second 3Lutz was just questionable still on rotation. Hopefully she can keep trying to add more height and focus on not spinning off the ice with the toepick!

Her performance was lovely here too.

 

[JayW]

I can't believe it but...I LIKE GRACIE GOLD'S PROGRAM. Wow. --If only she could land her stuff in competition. Also, that strange feathery bit at the back of her dress has got to go.
Please, Gracie, for me.

You are not alone. Other than jumps she did wonderful interpretation of the music.

 

[betat]

I do read. The point is: Do you think 1 point overscore in each element is small?
There are 13 elements, 1 point overscore in each element lead to 13 points overscore. Of course this is exaggerating but you do see why it's not just 1 point. I'd say Mr. Uno is often overscored 5-7 points in TES.

And we are not even talking about the PCS which he is always getting very generous score.

Oh, so you think he's getting over scored in lot of the elements?
Just curious, which elements did you think he got over scored? I have to re watch the video and check what I'm missing.

 

[betat]

I can't believe it but...I LIKE GRACIE GOLD'S PROGRAM. Wow. --If only she could land her stuff in competition. Also, that strange feathery bit at the back of her dress has got to go.
Please, Gracie, for me.

Yes!!! It's great to see a new Gracie

 

[Khoai]

Why are people bitching about the scoring so much. Shoma gave a phenomenal performance. If Chan skated perfectly with that technical content, his score would break 200. Shoma getting 185 is very acceptable. Do you understand what he did out there? It was stunning. Maybe I wouldn't score exactly 185, but low 180's was for sure deserved.

He is very much a contender for a World medal and could even win it if he continues to skate like that. A clean SP + that LP certainly would have deserved to win last year. It's great that we now have 5 people who could potentially win Worlds.

It has been very, very deserved in the past, but they do seem to be getting better! The opening 3Lutz+3Toe looked like it might have actually made it to that 1/4 turn mark. Her jumps all looked slightly higher here. The second 3Lutz was just questionable still on rotation. Hopefully she can keep trying to add more height and focus on not spinning off the ice with the toepick!

Her performance was lovely here too.

Give Mr. Uno a more reasonable GOE for all of his jumps, 178 is the highest I can give. And I don't even give less GOE for his spins, those basic positions are so bad. I simply don't agree with the GOE he is getting. He was clean but that does not mean his "cleanses" should be rewarded in both GOE and PCS.
A clean performance should only be rewarded in the PCS, GOE is for individual elements.

And Miss Miyahara being lovely does not change the fact that some of her jumps still look very questionable. 71 TES is another joke.

 

[Khoai]

http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/846728

Mr Mishin:

1) Most skaters are not in form yet.
2) All judges were too generous especially, no UR no edge call.
3) Mr Fernandez's jumping quality is good in general.
4) Mr Uno did the best at JO but should have not gotten that huge gap. Mr Uno has very questionable technique and his landing was too awkward. And Mr Mishin thinks that, this seems to be the highest limit of Mr Uno.
5) Mr Mishin is saying the preparation for Liza is ok to the plan.
6) Japan open is a PR event solely for announcing Miss Asada's come back, for hyping Mr Uno and showing support for Miss Miyahara.

 

[hurrah]

http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/846728

Mr Mishin:

1) Most skaters are not in form yet.
2) All judges were too generous especially, no UR no edge call.
3) Mr Fernandez's jumping quality is good in general.
4) Mr Uno did the best at JO but should have not gotten that huge gap. Mr Uno has very questionable technique and his landing was too awkward. And Mr Mishin thinks that, this seems to be the highest limit of Mr Uno.
5) Mr Mishin is saying the preparation for Liza is ok to the plan.
6) Japan open is a PR event solely for announcing Miss Asada's come back, for hyping Mr Uno and showing support for Miss Miyahara.

Well, at least he didn't say Mao's triple-axel was an illusion.