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2015 Skate America Mens FS Oct 24

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Final Brendan slay count: 3

His TES held up remarkably well for a LONG time.
 
CanadianSkaterGuy said:
And Adian probably deserved mid-8's in your books.
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No, he didn't, but I wouldn't ever expect you to approach an argument objectively.

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
His TR/CH/IN scores were well below Brown/Uno. His skating skills were on par (probably due to his speed -- his jumps were flying with good flow on the exit, whereas Brown/Uno had iffy landings. Performance wise he didn't fall or have scratchy landings other than the 2A; and he executed two quads and two triple axels. And while he didn't skate clean, he was still the cleanest of the bunch. At some point skaters need to be rewarded for their difficulty and skating cleanly
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Skating skills being on par is totally wrong and nobody can argue otherwise. You're somehow trying to create an excuse for the judges here. Not sure why. His transitions component was less than a mark behind Brown and that is not right. One judge gave Max Aaron a 6.0 for transitions. That judge had the right idea. Their score ultimately meant nothing since the other judges all marked him way higher, one judge even giving him 8.5 (a joke).

Difficulty of jumps and skating cleanly is rewarded in base value and GOE. Well executed difficult tech content improves a performance if the skater is actually into it and uses those elements as moments of excitement, but Max doesn't. They just look like things he has to do. He didn't hit the Quad-Triple at the start of the program and all the way through he projected "I am not good enough, I am not the best, what I am doing isn't anything special." So while it was not a bad performance, it wasn't a particularly good one either. Again, no reason at all to give it higher than 7.5 at most for that component.
 
Shoma should have won. Max was good, but his PCS scores were too high. He did far too much standing around doing nothing in the middle of the program, while Shoma skated every second of his FS. Max won because his PCS scores were high enough to edge him above Shoma. NOT fair. Shoma had the skate of the night, not Max.

Max was good. Shoma was GREAT!!!
 
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Looked trough videos now, and I have doubt about some PCS's.


Han Yan... he can skate to any music and he will always looks the same, eh. Dissapointing
 
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Phil threw shade at Shoma too:

Although he lost the free skate to a rising Japanese star, 17-year-old Shoma Uno, whose costume was a garish green and glittery, Aaron finished 1.52 points ahead in the overall standings. Jason Brown, replete in sparkles, worked his way from eighth after the short program to third overall mainly because several skaters who were ahead of him had disastrous long programs.
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Also:

Aaron’s attempt at interpreting the “Black Swan” sound track looked labored at times. But his insistence on working the performance aspect of his skating clearly has made a difference in the way he feels about himself and has also had a positive effect on the confidence in his jumping, once the only thing he cared about. His component scores in the free skate were third best of the 12 men.
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So not getting what Shoma's costume has to do with anything... :laugh:

Also, I don't disagree that Jason had costly TES mistakes, but why did he not bother to mention that Jason got the highest PCS (but mentioning Max got the 3rd highest?), which is also a factor in him getting bronze (though people not doing well played a role).

But okay, people had disastrous programs. Why isn't Jason given credit for not having his own problem skate? Even with his tech mistakes, he still managed to get the 3rd highest TES. :ohwell:

Honestly, I think Phil just got excited about a U.S. man winning Skate America that he didn't bother to state much beyond that.

ETA: Okay, I get it now. Phil's point is that Shoma and Jason's outfits were super sparkly but Max, sans costume sparkles, sparked cause of his skating. But still....the metaphor falls flat because it's not as if Shoma skated badly (he skated GREAT) and besides the jump errors Jason's performance was great.
 
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Mrs. P said:
Phil threw shade at Shoma too:



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So not getting what Shoma's costume has to do with anything... :laugh:

Also, I don't disagree that Jason had costly TES mistakes, but why did he not bother to mention that Jason got the highest PCS (but mentioning Max got the 3rd highest?), which is also a factor in him getting bronze (though people not doing well played a role).

But okay, people had disastrous programs. Why isn't Jason given credit for not having his own problem skate? Even with his tech mistakes, he still managed to get the 3rd highest TES. :ohwell:

Honestly, I think Phil just got excited about a U.S. man winning Skate America that he didn't bother to state much beyond that.
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Sounds like a negative nancy to me -though I couldn't read the article. Heheh, I have mixed feelings about Shoma's costume, nice colors, bad cut, but imagine what Phil would have said if Mura had made the podium.
There's a manly man who is not afraid of bling, but perhaps he should be. :laugh2:
 
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Newbiespectator said:
Sounds like a negative nancy to me -though I couldn't read the article. Heheh, I have mixed feelings about Shoma's costume, nice colors, bad cut, but imagine what Phil would have said of Mura had made the podium.
There's a manly man who is not afraid of bling, but perhaps he should be. :laugh2:
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I don't disagree with some of Phil's points, but he comes across really one-dimensional and I'm surprised at the lack of nuance in this piece considering how long he's covered the sport. Sure it's great that Max won Skate America -- it's quite noteworthy...but Shoma also got a standing ovation and had a clean program (not to mention WON the free skate)and the best Phil can do is call him a star and make fun of his costume?

And this bean counting for Jason jumps is also a bit odd. I mean even if he wasn't at Skate America (which I'd be surprised if he wasn't since it was only 1.5 hours from Chicago), did he not see that he got the highest PCS, how the audience responded to the program? Or that he makes up the points he loses by having really good +GOE on a good chunk of the rest of his program?

I mean if you're going to count beans..you shouldn't only count half the jar...right?

Mura's costume cracked me up. :laugh:
 
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chuckm said:
Shoma should have won. Max was good, but his PCS scores were too high. He did far too much standing around doing nothing in the middle of the program, while Shoma skated every second of his FS. Max won because his PCS scores were high enough to edge him above Shoma. NOT fair. Shoma had the skate of the night, not Max.
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Is that really true, though? Max was ahead of Shoma 47.96 to 43.28 in TES in the short TES. Shoma bested Max by less than 2 points in the free TES, which means overall Max's tech was still better if you take both nights/programs into account.
 
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Mrs. P said:
Phil threw shade at Shoma too:



Also:



So not getting what Shoma's costume has to do with anything... :laugh:

Also, I don't disagree that Jason had costly TES mistakes, but why did he not bother to mention that Jason got the highest PCS (but mentioning Max got the 3rd highest?), which is also a factor in him getting bronze (though people not doing well played a role).

But okay, people had disastrous programs. Why isn't Jason given credit for not having his own problem skate? Even with his tech mistakes, he still managed to get the 3rd highest TES. :ohwell:

Honestly, I think Phil just got excited about a U.S. man winning Skate America that he didn't bother to state much beyond that.

ETA: Okay, I get it now. Phil's point is that Shoma and Jason's outfits were super sparkly but Max, sans costume sparkles, sparked cause of his skating. But still....the metaphor falls flat because it's not as if Shoma skated badly (he skated GREAT) and besides the jump errors Jason's performance was great.
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So, sparkles bad, plain black good?

Would Max's victory have been less if contaminated with sparkes? Honestly, I got nothing. :laugh:
 
semosk8tfan said:
Awesome night, so happy for the medalists. Even happier for me because I got to meet Max and Jason!
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Wah, you did?! That's awesome! Please share the dirty details!

caitie said:
Is that really true, though? Max was ahead of Shoma 47.96 to 43.28 in TES in the short TES. Shoma bested Max by less than 2 points in the free TES, which means overall Max's tech was still better if you take both nights/programs into account.
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But oh nooooooooez, the short program doesn't matter, Evil Unartistic Max should never win!

It was bloody close. I'm sure Max will be beating himself up for making it harder on himself than it needed to be with that stumble on the 2A and the 4S-2T...

TheGrandSophy said:
So, sparkles bad, plain black good?

Would Max's victory have been less if contaminated with sparkes? Honestly, I got nothing. :laugh:
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Maybe? I don't know, I wouldn't mind seeing some subtle detail on Max's costume. And by subtle I mean veeeeery subtle. Perhaps some silver/grey edging on the flapping part.

Incidentally, can we love how Max went for the feather effect without actually having feathers? The flappy part at his waist is kind of genius. And also it makes his waist look tiny and his engine look great. :o:
 
Haven't been able to watch all the performances yet but...

So happy Shoma was able to bring it in his FS (again). Very proud of him.
Sad that Han Yan wasn't able to fully deliver his jumps but I still find his skating beautiful to watch.
Denis...oh Denis I still adore him and will be patient to see his masterpiece post GP.
And congrats to Mura (and his costume) for garnering so much buzz. Actually, compared to the first version I don't find this one as garish. Still amused though.:laugh: That aside, I really like Mura's FS and barring popped jumps thought he did a good job. Hoping to see a cleaner performance at NHK.

Congratulations to all the medalists!
 
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Heartbroken for Denis, happy for Shoma.
The little guy really got me emotional. I hope he'll continue the season with such beautiful performances.
 
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