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Sony Music Entertainment. I think. (If it's really them, I confess I have too many of their products... :hopelessness:)

That's kind of weird to me. How does Sony own Take Five? Don't music copyrights ever expire? This tune was recorded in 1959. Plus, Paul Desmond donated the rights to the Red Cross when he died. Or does Sony own the rights to Dick Button's commentary?
 
1) I am NOT saying yuzu behaved badly at all. I am showing you how anything can be twisted. I am not twisting it myself with bad intentions. I think you are blinded by so much yuzulove that you do not understand the purpose here... false-modesty is something that is quite common with athletes. Deep down, one has to have a lot of confidence to perform at the highest level. Do you really think that Yuzu really believes that he is a shadow when he is the actual Olympic champion? IF he does think that, I am sad for him that he is not embracing his victory. Patrick as a junior is a pretty respectful and endearing kid too ;)

2)jerk and arrogant are similar in my books... so if you are saying that patrick is arrogant and dismissive of other skaters then yup.. you are saying he is a jerk....and "specific lines" oh wow...i mean... if you are saying patrick is so nice and wonderful but a couple times in his life, a couple words he said were off.... i'd be okay with it... but since I joined the forum, all I read is Patrick is this or that... so much hate... for what two lines?? have you ever said anything that could be either inappropriate or misinterpreted??? are you being called up on it everyday of your life?

in any case, and I have said it many times, I like both skaters, what I do not appreciate is that there is a label put on each of them's forehead that says "nice" "not nice" and I think that 1) it's ridiculous as most of we know about them is from medias... 2) very simplistic.... humans tend to be a mix of both ;) do you really think Yuzu is a saint? that he has never done any bad in his life???? what does he do with all the poohs he gets???? he better give them all to sick kids otherwise he is not nice ;) do you really think that Patrick can be summarized by two lines you didn't like? come on...
False modesty? are you really serious? just for some Patrick, Plushy and Trankov fans.. it might be unimaginable how somebody can be that pure and modest, if you were following Hanyu from his junior times like I do, you will know that there is no single grain of being false in this kid
At the age of 20 he is more man than many others much older in the field, example of total sportsmanship , the example they should look up to!!

Yes, that attempt to twist Yuzurus words into something bad to justify what Patrick said or to make what he clearly said seem like a mean-spirited interpretation... I don't even know what to say to that. Tell any person who has never heard of either of them about those 2 statements, even with context, and it's so obvious what they would say was the nice and what the bad comment. Ridiculous.

Calling the posts about Chans actual quotes bashing is also pretty :rolleye: That's not bashing by any means, nobody called Patrick a 'jerk' or made any comments about him as a person. It was about those specific lines. But if the only thing you can do to defend your golden boy is to call anything bashing... well, telling, you could say :p
 
she skated during night time here, so i haven't seen it yet... but the protocols do not indicate a great lutz nor positive GOE on jumps.... did you jinx her?

Well...Mao's been out for 17 months and her 3A looks better than ever, her 3Lz edge has improved as well. It's her same content but it seems her technique has improved. It may not be the same case for both of them, but is achievable :biggrin:
I personally would like to see Patrick get back to the level he was before, the other men will only get better as the season goes on, and I think so will he. SC can be nothing but a motivation for him.
 
Do you really think that Yuzu really believes that he is a shadow when he is the actual Olympic champion?

2)jerk and arrogant are similar in my books... so if you are saying that patrick is arrogant and dismissive of other skaters then yup.. you are saying he is a jerk....

Yuzuru didn't even say he is a shadow, he said Patrick showed him his shadows. That alone is a big difference.

I didn't call Patrick arrogant or dismissive either :rolleye:
Honestly, we're not getting anywhere, since your precious Chan can't do any wrong for you anyway. You're simply overreacting with people calling him out for that specific statement. Let's just leave it at that, but don't be wondering why others don't think as highly of Patrick as you do.
 
she skated during night time here, so i haven't seen it yet... but the protocols do not indicate a great lutz nor positive GOE on jumps.... did you jinx her?
Hope not. At least her 3A was fully rotated and she's leading by 6 points with the highest TES :dance:
 
1) I am NOT saying yuzu behaved badly at all. I am showing you how anything can be twisted. I am not twisting it myself with bad intentions. I think you are blinded by so much yuzulove that you do not understand the purpose here... false-modesty is something that is quite common with athletes. Deep down, one has to have a lot of confidence to perform at the highest level. Do you really think that Yuzu really believes that he is a shadow when he is the actual Olympic champion? IF he does think that, I am sad for him that he is not embracing his victory. Patrick as a junior is a pretty respectful and endearing kid too ;)

2)jerk and arrogant are similar in my books... so if you are saying that patrick is arrogant and dismissive of other skaters then yup.. you are saying he is a jerk....and "specific lines" oh wow...i mean... if you are saying patrick is so nice and wonderful but a couple times in his life, a couple words he said were off.... i'd be okay with it... but since I joined the forum, all I read is Patrick is this or that... so much hate... for what two lines?? have you ever said anything that could be either inappropriate or misinterpreted??? are you being called up on it everyday of your life?

in any case, and I have said it many times, I like both skaters, what I do not appreciate is that there is a label put on each of them's forehead that says "nice" "not nice" and I think that 1) it's ridiculous as most of we know about them is from medias... 2) very simplistic.... humans tend to be a mix of both ;) do you really think Yuzu is a saint? that he has never done any bad in his life???? what does he do with all the poohs he gets???? he better give them all to sick kids otherwise he is not nice ;) do you really think that Patrick can be summarized by two lines you didn't like? come on...
Yes Patrick was very nice kid when laughed at Joubert in 2010, I remember everything perfectly, i remember junior Patrick too, I am old woman with good memory. as for Yuzu, he always sends toys to different kindergardens and hospitals, in Shanghai 2015 he apologized that he couldn't take all toys to Japan and asked staff to send them in necessary places, later volunteers noticed his mom collecting every fan letter from toys to take with them :-P so please read about him a bit more,... but you believe to own assumptions :-P
 
1) I am NOT saying yuzu behaved badly at all. I am showing you how anything can be twisted. I am not twisting it myself with bad intentions. I think you are blinded by so much yuzulove that you do not understand the purpose here... false-modesty is something that is quite common with athletes. Deep down, one has to have a lot of confidence to perform at the highest level. Do you really think that Yuzu really believes that he is a shadow when he is the actual Olympic champion? IF he does think that, I am sad for him that he is not embracing his victory. Patrick as a junior is a pretty respectful and endearing kid too ;)

2)jerk and arrogant are similar in my books... so if you are saying that patrick is arrogant and dismissive of other skaters then yup.. you are saying he is a jerk....and "specific lines" oh wow...i mean... if you are saying patrick is so nice and wonderful but a couple times in his life, a couple words he said were off.... i'd be okay with it... but since I joined the forum, all I read is Patrick is this or that... so much hate... for what two lines?? have you ever said anything that could be either inappropriate or misinterpreted??? are you being called up on it everyday of your life?

in any case, and I have said it many times, I like both skaters, what I do not appreciate is that there is a label put on each of them's forehead that says "nice" "not nice" and I think that 1) it's ridiculous as most of we know about them is from medias... 2) very simplistic.... humans tend to be a mix of both ;) do you really think Yuzu is a saint? that he has never done any bad in his life???? what does he do with all the poohs he gets???? he better give them all to sick kids otherwise he is not nice ;) do you really think that Patrick can be summarized by two lines you didn't like? come on...

The hole in this argument is that the ONLY person who is misunderstanding or twisting Yuzu's words in this way is you...and even you admit to not believing it. Is it possible to misunderstand a compliment? Yes, but is it likely that Yuzu's compliment of other skaters is taken as an insult...obviously no. Or others would have commented on it. Right now it's just you, and you don't believe it.
Where as Patrick's words are not being twisted or misunderstood. They are being quoted exactly as he said them. And exactly as he meant them. It's not the same thing at all. It's not just his recent interview that has come off in this way, but I won't dig into the past and bring it all up. Hopefully he's gone past that now and will be more gracious in interviews.

And yes, though Yuzu is NOT perfect, he is quite nice. He does donate his Poohs to Schools and Hospitals...and if I start a list of nice things he's done it will be very long indeed. Yuzu has cameras on him all the time, on stage off stage, whenever he is in public and what do these invasive cameras find? That he is polite and respectful to everyone. That's all.
 
Where as Patrick's words are not being twisted or misunderstood. They are being quoted exactly as he said them. And exactly as he meant them.

I'm afraid not all the time. Is this exactly what Patrick said or did? and not twisted?
"His angry outburst on seeing his SP score of 80.81 (he fell on the 3a and doubled the lutz) "That is such bull----!"" by Chuckm
 
I'm afraid not all the time. Is this exactly what Patrick said or did? and not twisted?
"His angry outburst on seeing his SP score of 80.81 (he fell on the 3a and doubled the lutz) "That is such bull----!"" by Chuckm
Thank you. It was these words that turned me from a ten year lurker to a poster. If this is a war between the Patrick bashers and the Patrick "ubers" (I've always considered myself a fan but I guess on this threads I'm an uber) I can be proud that Chuckm is not on my side. They can have him.
 
Forget about Chan vs Hanyu. It's gonna soon be everyone vs Boyang Jing. Hanyu better be packing on those quads ASAP.
 
I think some Chan fan here should just honestly admit that they do not like Yuzuru or like to interpret him in negative light in many aspect with all the subtle shades toward his costume, his skating style , his Pooh , his face, , his attitude.....

So we know when we should just let go of your comment understanding that you just don't like him no matter what instead of trying to have a discussion. :shrug:
 
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I'm afraid not all the time. Is this exactly what Patrick said or did? and not twisted?
"His angry outburst on seeing his SP score of 80.81 (he fell on the 3a and doubled the lutz) "That is such bull----!"" by Chuckm

That is an interpretation of a reaction. While Patrick's opinion on Yuzuru and Javier was a literal quote from an article, written by professionals and stated to be his own words. It doesn't say "Patrick said this or that", it uses literal quotation marks, which have to be used for the exact words the interviewed person says. It's not the same to compare what a person interprets from a reaction in an internet forum and an article that quotes word by word. They are not the same sources, not written under the same process or scrutiny, therefore, they hold completely different value. But well, this was discussed some pages back as well. It's one of those conversations that will really get nowhere.

But given that COC SP just took place, do you guys think that Boyang with his monster quads can give Patrick and Yuzuru and run for their money this season? He's nowhere near their SS, but his TES was the 3rd highest of all time :scard7: and if he keep being consistent, who knows how long the PCS will drag him down. Though I have to say that, if we compare 4T (that the 3 of them do), I would pick Patrick or Yuzuru's over Boyang's, I still see better quality in theirs.
 
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Forget about Chan vs Hanyu. It's gonna soon be everyone vs Boyang Jing. Hanyu better be packing on those quads ASAP.

Rather dismissive of Chan and Hanyu, two great skaters. Patrick is NOT just about skating skills, and Yuzuru is NOT just a jumper.

Perhaps a JIN versus UNO thread?
 
This is a competition. Points are points. We've just seen the biggest 2018 threat yet to the established field.
 
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This is a competition. Points are points. We've just seen the biggest 2018 threat yet to the established field.

Maybe yes, but you are saying like Hanyu is staying in place and not upping tech content every year. Of course Chan is a bit in the same tech he was several years ago, but Hanyu is still adding, and not just jumps but also transitions and whole program.

But.. Boyang will held highest TES for SP this season as long as Hanyu will not skate clean SP finally xD
 
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I think Boyang will be upping his tech content too though. He might show up in 2018 with like...5 or 6 quads.
 
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