A fair way to pick GPF finalists?

[qwerty]

well, its easier for ISU to actually wait for the next TWO GPs. By then, they will have a clear scenery of who is going to GPF from non TEB skaters, and then can decide wisely

Still awful though. If they want to do it, they could have at least said they will just wait for all results to make a decision, that would be more respectful

If they wait until the GP is done it's blatantly obvious they're cherry-picking the skaters they want in the GPF which is overtly corrupt, even by skating standards.

 

[visaliakid]

TEB Alert: This note contained in the latest "Inside Edge" article by Sarah S. Brannen which IceNetwork posted a short time ago reads as follows:

Note: "The ISU updated the world standings Thursday, assigning points based on skaters' finishes in the short programs at Trophée Bompard."

The ISU has updated the World Rankings based on the results of the SP's at TEB as they had to in order to properly reflect the correct starting orders at Rostelecom Cup (which were published this morning).
However the points ranking for the four disciplines for GPF qualifications show points earned at TEB have not yet been entered. So that tells us that they are still arguing on what exact formula will be used for GPF qualifications from TEB. This is also why there is yet no announcement from the ISU.

 

[StitchMonkey]

TEB Alert: This note contained in the latest "Inside Edge" article by Sarah S. Brannen which IceNetwork posted a short time ago reads as follows:

Note: "The ISU updated the world standings Thursday, assigning points based on skaters' finishes in the short programs at Trophée Bompard."

The ISU has updated the World Rankings based on the results of the SP's at TEB as they had to in order to properly reflect the correct starting orders at Rostelecom Cup (which were published this morning).
However the points ranking for the four disciplines for GPF qualifications show points earned at TEB have not yet been entered. So that tells us that they are still arguing on what exact formula will be used for GPF qualifications from TEB. This is also why there is yet no announcement from the ISU.

It also points to the direction that they are not keen on just scraping the whole thing.

Sadly I think at this point they are just going to keep quiet and extend extra invites to select skaters. I don't like it.

 

[padme21]

TEB Alert: This note contained in the latest "Inside Edge" article by Sarah S. Brannen which IceNetwork posted a short time ago reads as follows:

Note: "The ISU updated the world standings Thursday, assigning points based on skaters' finishes in the short programs at Trophée Bompard."

The ISU has updated the World Rankings based on the results of the SP's at TEB as they had to in order to properly reflect the correct starting orders at Rostelecom Cup (which were published this morning).
However the points ranking for the four disciplines for GPF qualifications show points earned at TEB have not yet been entered. So that tells us that they are still arguing on what exact formula will be used for GPF qualifications from TEB. This is also why there is yet no announcement from the ISU.

Well that's something at least. I really hope that the ISU make their decision soon. Hopefully by the end of this week.

 

[TwinnerA]

This is always the biggest difficulty with any sort of big decision, that the outcome doesn't exist in a vacuum. We always validate decisions based on whether the outcome makes sense. When COP was in it's initial version, the ISU tested it on previous events and one result was that, under that version, Goebel would have won SLC over Yagudin. So, based on the outcome that the ISU didn't like, the scale was modified. It wasn't that there was anything unfair about the values. It's kind of a similar situation here; we have to look at the result of a proposal to see if it makes sense. This does mean favoritism can have an impact, but not necessarily that it does. Personally, I think any interpretation that leaves a GP winner out of the final deserves extra scrutiny. Not necessarily that it would be unacceptable, but that it is indeed fair.

Uh oh, I shouldn't have read this. Now I'm wondering that if the ISU tested COP out re Michelle and Tara at the Nagano Olympics and if they did, if Tara still would have won. I still haven't gotten over that one.

 

[moriel]

If they wait until the GP is done it's blatantly obvious they're cherry-picking the skaters they want in the GPF which is overtly corrupt, even by skating standards.

It is not cherrypicking, its just making an informed decision.

But I agree (no illusions about ISU), most likely they just want to cherry pick better, yeah =(

 

[Layback11]

Uh oh, I shouldn't have read this. Now I'm wondering that if the ISU tested COP out re Michelle and Tara at the Nagano Olympics and if they did, if Tara still would have won. I still haven't gotten over that one.

In my experience, most people haven't.

Also, I love your avatar! #Twinning :agree:

 

[Mathman]

Welcome, Temadd. Thanks for joining us. Post often, post long!

 

[mrrice]

Hello Everyone, can someone tell me if Max will be getting points toward the GPF for winning Tallinn?

 

[vlaurend]

Hello Everyone, can someone tell me if Max will be getting points toward the GPF for winning Tallinn?

No, because that is not one of his two Grand Prix events.

 

[TheBladeBoys]

Hello Everyone, can someone tell me if Max will be getting points toward the GPF for winning Tallinn?

Unfortunately it's not a Grand Prix event, so he will most definitely not be getting points for that event (nor would it be fair to other skaters who were at TEB who didn't compete at Tallinn).

It would be pretty crazy if neither Chan nor Aaron (winners of two Grand Prix events) end up making the final.

Has that ever happened before, in any season, in any discipline, where 2 or more gold medalists on the GP didn't make it to the GPF? There have been some cases where a GP winner didn't go because they were only in one event (Osmond at Skate Canada, Plushenko at Cup of Russia), or because a skater/team won an event and then bombed their second event.

We'll see how the final 2 events go... perhaps the ISU should make a decision only after those two events, and assesses who really deserves to be in the final after everyone has done their GPs.

 

[Mrs. P]

I wonder if that Cup of Russia event proposed on Dec. 5 will be like a skate-off between those who are on the bubble. I could see a scenario where the ISU would automatically let the top 4 in and then force the rest to skate for the last two spots.

 

[mrrice]

Unfortunately it's not a Grand Prix event, so he will most definitely not be getting points for that event (nor would it be fair to other skaters who were at TEB who didn't compete at Tallinn).

It would be pretty crazy if neither Chan nor Aaron (winners of two Grand Prix events) end up making the final.

Has that ever happened before, in any season, in any discipline, where 2 or more gold medalists on the GP didn't make it to the GPF? There have been some cases where a GP winner didn't go because they were only in one event (Osmond at Skate Canada, Plushenko at Cup of Russia), or because a skater/team won an event and then bombed their second event.

We'll see how the final 2 events go... perhaps the ISU should make a decision only after those two events, and assesses who really deserves to be in the final after everyone has done their GPs.

Thank you so much for answering my question. Here's my next question.......Why on earth would Max do this competition if it weren't to help him make the GPF?

 

[Mrs. P]

Thank you so much for answering my question. Here's my next question.......Why on earth would Max do this competition if it weren't to help him make the GPF?

The competition does get Max more World Standing points. If Max increases his World standing, that could help him if he goes to 4CC or Worlds. It would also benefit him if he does end up going to GPF since the start order is by world standing as well.

Also extra mileage on programs never hurts.

As to why USFSA opted to to send Max to this competition, I don't know.

 

[tulosai]

I wonder if that Cup of Russia event proposed on Dec. 5 will be like a skate-off between those who are on the bubble. I could see a scenario where the ISU would automatically let the top 4 in and then force the rest to skate for the last two spots.

I don't know why exactly, but on some level I feel like this would be hilarious. I don't support the idea though.

 

[lyndichee]

Thank you so much for answering my question. Here's my next question.......Why on earth would Max do this competition if it weren't to help him make the GPF?

Because he wants more competition experience in preparation for Nationals and to gain more world ranking points.

It's like Elizaveta going to a million competitions last year.

 

[tulosai]

Thank you so much for answering my question. Here's my next question.......Why on earth would Max do this competition if it weren't to help him make the GPF?

Because USFSA assigned him to it?

In all total seriousness why wouldn't he? He was already in Europe, so travelling was light, and it's an opportunity for him to get his programs out there in competition for international judges, and to get world ranking points. He also attained a new PB in the SP by virtue of competing here. I don't see that there was any real drawback to him in competing- he seems healthy and like I said he was already in Europe. Why not get more mileage on the programs?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I wonder if that Cup of Russia event proposed on Dec. 5 will be like a skate-off between those who are on the bubble. I could see a scenario where the ISU would automatically let the top 4 in and then force the rest to skate for the last two spots.

For me, this would be unfair to the skaters. They expected to skate a SP and a LP at TEB. They made themselves available but, due to circumstances out of everyone's control, were unable to skate a LP. To then expect skaters to show up for a third event in Russia that causes them to miss valuable training time for the upcoming national events is not a good solution IMO.

 

[mrrice]

Because USFSA assigned him to it?

In all total seriousness why wouldn't he? He was already in Europe, so travelling was light, and it's an opportunity for him to get his programs out there in competition for international judges, and to get world ranking points. He also attained a new PB in the SP by virtue of competing here. I don't see that there was any real drawback to him in competing- he seems healthy and like I said he was already in Europe. Why not get more mileage on the programs?

Thank you all for answering my question. As long as I've been around skating, I never seem to stop learning.

 

[qwerty]

At this point does anyone think skating a long program for the TEB skaters is a good idea (disregarding logistics)? I feel like too much time is passing for the TEB SP results to hold relevance, it's bizarre to request skaters to be beholden to something that happened this far in the past...

I guess I'm not in favor of a skate-off type situation at this point.