2015-16 Grand Prix Final Ladies SP

[whatif]

Mao Asada was winning senior competitions right out of the juniors and so did Yuna. I bet the people crying now were having the opposite arguments then. What goes around....

 

[Kittosuni]

I think Evegnia is exquisite. That being said, I think B.Esp went overboard in declaring her "greatest female skater everrr".

Well if you were actually listening they said that she "could" be the greatest female skater ever.

 

[andromache]

and so? Mao was the only lady to do a 3A, but this can't make you the best skater, you have to skate clean anyway.

I wasn't saying Gracie was the best skater today, was I? I was referring to your accusation that somehow Gracie is inferior because she can "barely" do a 3Lutz-3T.

 

[shyne]

It really does! The overscoring of both Russian Ladies- Elena overall and Med for PCS. Wow.

Technical Specialist has nothing to do with scoring GOEs. They are the ones giving out under-rotation calls and edge calls and all the levels on stepseq and spins.

 

[whatif]

Insulting people for their opinions is always a classy and mature route to take . I like Evgenia, but I stand behind not liking the construction of her program (the tanos make no difference to me). I fully understand that it is more difficult to put the jumps in the second half, and she deserves to be rewarded for that, but the first half of her program is so empty and ill contstructed that its distracting and aestically unpleasant.

How the hell is that empty? Switching spins/steps with jumps does not empty make. :disagree:

 

[Tolstoj]

I wasn't saying Gracie was the best skater today, was I? I was referring to your accusation that somehow Gracie is inferior because she can "barely" do a 3Lutz-3T.

My accusation is that Gracie can land just one 3-3 combo.

That "barely" was referring to her inconsistency.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Well let's see. Both Lip and Sakhanovich encountered disaster and left her recently. So then there's 2 skaters who haven't encountered puberty yet. While Medvedeva might survive because she's awesome, I believe it'd be more -despite- Tutberidze than -thanks to- her.

That's a pretty harsh assessment of Eteri. She's coached many students to the top levels of the sport. And coaching many of them at the same time. IMO, she's the female counterpart to Brian Orser in terms of number of students she takes on who make it to the highest levels of the sport - in both men (Voronov/Pitkeev) and ladies (Lipnitskaia/Sakhanovich/Medvedeva/Tsurkaya).

Her two students - Medvedeva and Tsurkaya - could be the gold Senior AND Junior medalists at this year's GPF. Last year, she was the only coach with skaters in both men and ladies at the GPF - one of whom won the bronze medal (Voronov). So as much as people want to slam her for teaching technique that might not last beyond puberty, at least she's taking her kids to the top of the sport at SOME point, whereas the vast majority of coaches' students don't even experience a fraction of the success of Eteri's students.

 

[Shayuki]

How the hell is that empty? Switching spins/steps with jumps does not empty make. :disagree:

Jumps are the only element in figure skating, haven't you heard?

 

[Ophelia]

Well if you were actually listening they said that she "could" be the greatest female skater ever.

Let me amend my original statement, B.esp STILL went overboard declaring that Evegnia COULD be greatest female skater ever. I get that they can throw all the hyperboles at Hanyu, but it's way too early to call it on Evegnia.

 

[Krunchii]

Here at the GPF was just awful.

Still doesn't justify saying she can barely perform a 3Lz-3T, maybe we should've wrote off Evgenia's 3F at COR since she fell on it, her jumps are fine, it's her nerves and stiff programs that hold her back

 

[skatespin]

How the hell is that empty? Switching spins/steps with jumps does not empty make. :disagree:

I agree. In fact, I like that she does the short program that way, its a change from what all the other senior ladies do. Its both refreshing and adds a level of wow factor because it is also more difficult.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I cant with these posters crying about Satoko's 3Fe. Watch the replay and she changes her edge quickly. But i agree she should be closer to Mao and Rad's score. Cant help to compare but Ashley looks so out of place with this group. She is like a second tier skater

I'm constructing a jumpamatron of her jumps as we speak so maybe that will help to show things to us.

 

[whatif]

That's a pretty harsh assessment of Eteri. She's coached many students to the top levels of the sport. And coaching many of them at the same time. IMO, she's the female counterpart to Brian Orser in terms of number of students she takes on who make it to the highest levels of the sport - in both men (Voronov/Pitkeev) and ladies (Lipnitskaia/Sakhanovich/Medvedeva/Tsurkaya).

Her two students - Medvedeva and Tsurkaya - could be the gold Senior AND Junior medalists at this year's GPF. Last year, she was the only coach with skaters in both men and ladies at the GPF - one of whom won the bronze medal (Voronov). So as much as people want to slam her for teaching technique that might not last beyond puberty, at least she's taking her kids to the top of the sport at SOME point, whereas the vast majority of coaches' students don't even experience a fraction of the success of Eteri's students.

Actually Tsurksya has one of the best jumps among the current ladies field both junior and senior. So high, so powerful, great technique. And so has Pitkeev.

 

[Tolstoj]

That's a pretty harsh assessment of Eteri. She's coached many students to the top levels of the sport. And coaching many of them at the same time. IMO, she's the female counterpart to Brian Orser in terms of number of students she takes on who make it to the highest levels of the sport - in both men (Voronov/Pitkeev) and ladies (Lipnitskaia/Sakhanovich/Medvedeva/Tsurkaya).

Her two students - Medvedeva and Tsurkaya - could be the gold Senior AND Junior medalists at this year's GPF. Last year, she was the only coach with skaters in both men and ladies at the GPF - one of whom won the bronze medal (Voronov). So as much as people want to slam her for teaching technique that might not last beyond puberty, at least she's taking her kids to the top of the sport at SOME point, whereas the vast majority of coaches' students don't even experience a fraction of the success of Eteri's students.

So true.

Just look at what he was Sergei Voronov before Eteri, or what she is Serafima Sakhanovich now after leaving Eteri Tutberidze.

 

[Ekm]

How the hell is that empty? Switching spins/steps with jumps does not empty make. :disagree:

I actually think she only has one spin in the first half. This could be a difference of opinion on the choreography, which as stated I personally find empty, if you don't that's great. This program just doesn't work for me. My main point here was that we all have different opinions (and in some cases rooting interests) doesn't necessarily make anyone's more or less legitimate, and certainly no one should be attacked over it.

 

[andromache]

My accusation is that Gracie can land just one 3-3 combo.

That "barely" was referring to her inconsistency.

She can land the hardest 3-3T (sans 3A) combo with relative consistency. Just because she made a mistake on it today doesn't mean she's especially inconsistent on that element. By that logic, Elena Radionova can "barely" land a 3Lutz since she had an error today. (Of course I do not agree with this statement).

If you want to make a point about how great it is that a skater can tack a 3T onto just about any other jump, that's fine. But you don't need to tear down another skater in order to do it.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Actually Tsurksya has one of the best jumps among the current ladies field both junior and senior. So high, so powerful, great technique. And so has Pitkeev.

Agreed. Tsurkaya's 3Z+3T is breathtaking to watch. One of the most effortless I've ever seen. Pitkeev's technique is good in the sense that I wouldn't expect somebody of his frame to be able to land quads at this point and yet he is able too... very nice 3A too.

 

[whatif]

I actually think she only has one spin in the first half. This could be a difference of opinion on the choreography, which as stated I personally find empty, if you don't that's great. This program just doesn't work for me. My main point here was that we all have different opinions (and in some cases rooting interests) doesn't necessarily make anyone's more or less legitimate, and certainly no one should be attacked over it.

Then you should say so, instead of saying that it's empty. As that's simply not true. You don't like, that's OK.

 

[Ekm]

Actually Tsurksya has one of the best jumps among the current ladies field both junior and senior. So high, so powerful, great technique. And so has Pitkeev.

Haven't paid much attention to Pitkeev, but I agree about Tsurksya. She's blossomed into a lovely skater (I actually think she has a higher ceiling than Evgenia if her height doesn't end up holding her back).

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Let me amend my original statement, B.esp STILL went overboard declaring that Evegnia COULD be greatest female skater ever. I get that they can throw all the hyperboles at Hanyu, but it's way too early to call it on Evegnia.

I had to laugh at that one. Kim, Ito, Kwan, Asada, Kristi, etc. totally did a "-----, please." at that remark if they had heard it.

Hanyu deserves the hyperbole, but until Evgenia wins the big titles, that was a total overboard comment.