It's true. That's why b/s got 55 pcs too.
2015-16 State of Russian Ice Dance
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It's true. That's why b/s got 55 pcs too.
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I think the difference between B/S and S/K should have been a bit bigger, but in the end it's alright. Some teams were lowballed, others overscored, but the final placements were right.
Honestly, it's also perhaps better for S/K's long-term development to not overload them with pressure and expectations at such an early stage of their career. They've improved so much from the disaster zone last year and it might be helpful if they can build on that some more and address the stuff that's still wonky without the weight of being Russian number one hanging over their heads. Skating as leaders was a totally new experience for them and clearly it got to them.
I can see why the Russian fed wants to support S/K over B/S. Many people have commented this season on their speed and skating skills. They also have good lines. I would like more interesting free dance next year but if they keep working they could be contenders.
I do agree that maybe not being Russia's champs might be good for them.
I do agree that maybe not being Russia's champs might be good for them.
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If only Nikita could control his speed more!!!! That's the reason the Fed wants support them but it also the one thing that hold them back.
I knew something going to happen as I was watching the supersonic speed they had going into those twizzles. I say they on the right track and it seems the team Russian Fed will be supporting more at Euros.
I knew something going to happen as I was watching the supersonic speed they had going into those twizzles. I say they on the right track and it seems the team Russian Fed will be supporting more at Euros.
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I think before anyone starts suggesting this or that coach, let's start with the athletes first. If someone called me at 3am with ideas, my first reaction would not be to praise them but to yell at them for being up at 3am. Similarly, some of the distractions need to be curtailed. I am not suggesting living like a monk but you need to give the impression that you are serious about your work, and if you are doing photoshoots across town during a day you should be training (especially after a disastrous performance a few days earlier), it gives the impression you don't care. Similarly, don't let your boyfriend tag along to an important training camp with lots of federation officials. Now some of the responsibility lies on the coach for allowing this to happen, but Elena is an adult and she should know better.
As for Ruslan, he just needs to work harder. The lifts look better, but that still doesn't explain why he still has problems with lifts while even his wet noodle junior teammates don't look like they are going to drop their partners (see Kirill Aleshin). Is he allergic to weights?
Now as far as the coaches, I do think something needs to be changed. The packaging was a disaster this year, although it doesn't mean they don't know how to package (see Y&M last year). They just need to not be afraid to say no if the ideas are bad.
As for Ruslan, he just needs to work harder. The lifts look better, but that still doesn't explain why he still has problems with lifts while even his wet noodle junior teammates don't look like they are going to drop their partners (see Kirill Aleshin). Is he allergic to weights?
Now as far as the coaches, I do think something needs to be changed. The packaging was a disaster this year, although it doesn't mean they don't know how to package (see Y&M last year). They just need to not be afraid to say no if the ideas are bad.
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I am going to be shouted down for this, but I am going to call at TAT and shoot from the hip.
All that is wrong is that Elena has taken a partner is weaker than her.
Unfortunately in ice dance, the man needs to be stronger than the female, so it was not the best of choices to take a weaker male partner as is now becoming very apparent.
All this talk of changing coaches is not going to change the fact that he is a weaker partner.
All that is wrong is that Elena has taken a partner is weaker than her.
Unfortunately in ice dance, the man needs to be stronger than the female, so it was not the best of choices to take a weaker male partner as is now becoming very apparent.
All this talk of changing coaches is not going to change the fact that he is a weaker partner.
This time Elena fell, both made mistakes. And just wait Nikita and Victoria got better results and the nerves will get the worst of Nikita especially. That happened with Liza and with I/Z. It is a totally different situation to be the underdog.
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Yup he neeeds to just double his work. Cause sorry for the comparision, but it's most obvious one. Sinitsna also was weaker partner for Nikita, and after one summer constantly worked together difference between them became much much much smaller
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So, according to you who should Elena skate with? And no, Bukin is not going to dump Stepanova for her. I mean most Russian male dancers are weaker than her, because she is just that good.
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True!! She is that good, there is no one of her level.
So either she has to continue with a weaker partner, and accept the results or hang up her boots.
But all this talk of a coaching change, is not going to change the fact that he is weaker.
He is probably busting a gut to be as good as he is bless him.
I disagree... Ruslan is not weak and not weaker than Elena. Their problem is the consistency. And I am afraid that this battle was already lost before beginning.
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I think IZ had a shot to get that third spot, but after making another mistake, the judges were ok with giving it to SB. Well, at least they have now enough time to regroup and hopefully make some changes in their strategy for next season.
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If Elena has the will to continue after this massive decline in her standing within the skating hierarchy.
I agree that this battle was already lost before beginning, but definitely not because of their inconsistency. I/Z's programs this season were risky. They tried to be different and to stand out and it didn't pay off. Unlike them, S/K played it safe with their program and it did pay off. But S/K are not any more consistent than I/Z. It is interesting how Elena's fall on nothing (while they did complete all their elements) set them so far back, while S/K messing the whole twizzle element made no much difference to their mark. I understand that I/Z's PCS was affected in the SP because of the fall, but their PCS in the FS was disgraceful. Anyway, Nikita can't twizzle to save his life, so maybe it will be a good experience if they go to Europeans/worlds. Let's see if the international judges will be as generous after he messes up the twizzle's again.
Nikita, as proven at nationals, can be just as inconsistent as Elena. Yet overall the vibe towards S/K seem have more upbeat and positive then they do I/Z despite the fact that people think Ruslan is closer to Elena in talent then Viktoria is to Nikita. I suppose the difference is that people, at this moment, have more confidence in Zueva to fixing his issues then they have with Kustarova fixing hers.
So it wouldn't be shocking if the hierarchy was more patient with S/K then I/Z. No matter what one thinks of their programs its clear that S/K are exhibiting a clear mapped out vision and path both technically and artistically while I/Z are far more jumbled up and unpredictable. Their progress is far easier to see while for I/Z its more questionable. Any federation would value that, especially when everything is so close. Everybody knows Zueva knows what she's doing but with Kustarova not so much.
Both teams have similar issues but one team is presenting itself to the federation far better then the other. And I'm taking about what's being presented on ice not what's happening behind the scenes.
So it wouldn't be shocking if the hierarchy was more patient with S/K then I/Z. No matter what one thinks of their programs its clear that S/K are exhibiting a clear mapped out vision and path both technically and artistically while I/Z are far more jumbled up and unpredictable. Their progress is far easier to see while for I/Z its more questionable. Any federation would value that, especially when everything is so close. Everybody knows Zueva knows what she's doing but with Kustarova not so much.
Both teams have similar issues but one team is presenting itself to the federation far better then the other. And I'm taking about what's being presented on ice not what's happening behind the scenes.
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Yep
& Imo the ongoing tak about them being done before the competition by the evil fed is
Yes they dont have the Fed backing but they dont do anything to earn it at least a little. They refuse to play the game unlike say W/P & Chock/Bates.
+ The consistency do play the part. It hurts your reputation & image.
If they were stable & consistent they would have been supported more (yeah still not on the level of S/K but they could have beaten S/B at least).
Idk about Ruslan being weaker but the work should be done by both just like Sinkats
A partner has to fit another. Mask the flaws & maximize the positives.
Thats where the coaches work is also apparent. & thats why Zueva succeeded. She & her team worked in unison to make Sinkats marketable to make the Fed support them & both of them worked hard to achieve that not only phisically but mentally too. Im not tired of pointing out how Nick changed in his attitude. (& Im confident that they will work & work on twizzles)
& Thats why Beaver & Nightingale +Zhulin succeeded even knowing that SK might have been pushed by the Fed more. How hard Katia worked, how much Dima trained to be in shape from the injury.
Even Z/G. I see progress. & They went to senior B!
Not to mention S/B today. They may be not the most talented but they are well prepared & ready to fight. They have consistency. & I totally see why the Fed preferred to put them 3rd instead of I/Z. Its a practical decision not evil.
I hope I/Z will improve too. I really do. This team doesnt deserve to be buried. But apart from talent you should have some other rather important things to consider. & I hope unlike some of the fans I/Z dont just blame the Fed, judges, S/K, B/S etc. etc. but look deeper. There are lots of things to be improved. I wish them all the best.
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