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thank you for this nice post !
I was not sure if any Chan fans made it to Worlds but wanted to share a bit about my week. I'm not a skater. It was my first competition and I attended most of the men's practices and all of the events. I really enjoyed seeing Patrick skate live. Sometimes he had a bit of trouble with his jumps and other times he looked great. I was very close to the ice during practices and Patrick is very muscular (in a good way :), compact and fast! It was nice that he received a lot of applause at practices (Mao and Yuzu did also). He looked good during the SP, and I had high hopes for him and the other men. My heart broke for for Patrick, Shoma, and Yuzuru with their rough free skates. Some people were commenting that these three use their edges more than the others and seemed affected more by the poor ice conditions. I felt like the crowd was quite partisan towards the Americans (standing O's for all of them, really?) and did my best to cheer loudly for the others, especially my guys. Was thrilled to see that Patrick was selected for the exhibition - his number really showed off his great skating. As I said I'm not a skater, nor a particularly knowledgeable fan but wanted to share some of of my impressions.
 
I was not sure if any Chan fans made it to Worlds but wanted to share a bit about my week. I'm not a skater. It was my first competition and I attended most of the men's practices and all of the events. I really enjoyed seeing Patrick skate live. Sometimes he had a bit of trouble with his jumps and other times he looked great. I was very close to the ice during practices and Patrick is very muscular (in a good way :), compact and fast! It was nice that he received a lot of applause at practices (Mao and Yuzu did also). He looked good during the SP, and I had high hopes for him and the other men. My heart broke for for Patrick, Shoma, and Yuzuru with their rough free skates. Some people were commenting that these three use their edges more than the others and seemed affected more by the poor ice conditions. I felt like the crowd was quite partisan towards the Americans (standing O's for all of them, really?) and did my best to cheer loudly for the others, especially my guys. Was thrilled to see that Patrick was selected for the exhibition - his number really showed off his great skating. As I said I'm not a skater, nor a particularly knowledgeable fan but wanted to share some of of my impressions.

Thank you so much for sharing your on-site experiences with us! So some in the audience did notice the poor ice conditions and how they affected certain skaters. Hmmm... I have no doubt that the ice was great for the exhibition, though. Did Patrick ever come very close to your side of the boards? Did you get to take a lot of photos of the men?
 
I'm very happy to know about Patrick's reactions to this Worlds experience, especially re the LP, and his current state of mind. All very healthy and positive. Extrinsic factors affected his skating and the result badly but he didn't let the frustration impede the rational assessment of his abilities as well as his status and prospects among the Men.

Despite the disastrous Worlds LP and disappointing result at Worlds, Patrick sees as I do that new programs and a new quad will make him very competitive as the top contender. He believes in himself and has learned a great deal about handling difficult situations and the mindset to focus and stay in the moment during competitive performance. Every competitor, even the best and the most accomplished, has good and bad days. He has had so many titles and honors so not winning them all is completely expectable and acceptable. None of the comeback champions, Mao, V/T, and Patrick, made it to the podium. As well, there are so many heartbreaks at this Worlds with many not handling their misfortunes nearly as well as Patrick. Some tanked far from their capabilities while others overreact to their high but disappointing placements. I feel more sympathy for them than for Patrick, my most beloved, both because he's had so much success already and because he shows so much strength of character these days and deals with disappointments and frustration in a healthy and positive manner.

So happy to have another two years of enjoying and supporting Patrick in his exciting and exhilarating journey. Thank you Patrick, for the past and future glory and excellence sans pareil.
 
I doubt he will skate to Dear Prudence/Blackbird in this year's Stars on Ice because he skated to this number in the 2015 tour. I remember when i first saw this last year on youtube I was really disappointed but when I saw it live it was fantastic. You can really see his GLIDE.

Oh that's too bad! But then I guess he will have some new stuff so I'm excited to see what he has in store. Thanks!
 
Thank you for your on-site report of Patrick at WC and his exhibition number, your post is appreciated. It is a joy to see Patrick on and off ice, he is a very considerate, cheerful, sweet young man.
I was not sure if any Chan fans made it to Worlds but wanted to share a bit about my week. I'm not a skater. It was my first competition and I attended most of the men's practices and all of the events. I really enjoyed seeing Patrick skate live. Sometimes he had a bit of trouble with his jumps and other times he looked great. I was very close to the ice during practices and Patrick is very muscular (in a good way :), compact and fast! It was nice that he received a lot of applause at practices (Mao and Yuzu did also). He looked good during the SP, and I had high hopes for him and the other men. My heart broke for for Patrick, Shoma, and Yuzuru with their rough free skates. Some people were commenting that these three use their edges more than the others and seemed affected more by the poor ice conditions. I felt like the crowd was quite partisan towards the Americans (standing O's for all of them, really?) and did my best to cheer loudly for the others, especially my guys. Was thrilled to see that Patrick was selected for the exhibition - his number really showed off his great skating. As I said I'm not a skater, nor a particularly knowledgeable fan but wanted to share some of of my impressions.
 
Latest article should be titled "No, he ain't retiring!"

Chan has no intention of bailing on comeback: DiManno

http://www.thestar.com/sports/skati...intention-of-bailing-on-comeback-dimanno.html

South Korea's Yuzuru Hanyu? Yuzuru and Yuna, are you twins or am I seeing double? Asians must look all the same to DiManno.

“That’s proof you can never take your position for granted. Even the very best have to get a little dose of reality at some point. All the champions will go through that. I’m going through that at the moment."

Hey, Patrick, it should be common sense but better late than never. I do understand that champions and other super successful people don't always have the same common sense as mere mortals. Bless them and may they keep their special common sense and let us in a little sometimes.

"But even at my worst, it’s not that bad.”

Exactly. That's what I joked about at the Worlds Mens LP thread where I suggested SC fed's plan was to blow this Worlds so Patrick could single handedly get 3 Olympics spots for Canada at Worlds 2017. Of course I was refuted by all those in the know that such a plan wouldn't work because with Patrick in top 10 Canada will get 2 spots for next year. I answered that it wouldn't work only because Patrick just couldn't blow it if he tried.

“I don’t have any doubts,” Chan insisted. “There’s room for me to grow and absolutely be on the same level that they are. In order for me to get there, it’s a bit different from them. I have to be able to manage so many things about my program and put it out as a whole package, which I’ve been having trouble with this year.”

Neither do I. (i.e. re doubts.) The challenge for Patrick is to include more big high BV jumps while maintaining his figure skating ideals. There I also have no doubt he will resolve the issue of COP values vs moral values to bring us ultra high scoring programs with artistic integrity.

I wrote before that all the ingredients for an amazing performance from Patrick were there but of course at the end the prerequisite basic good ice was missing. Yet, I still see that Patrick has kept all the winning ingredients despite what happened. So, I look forward to amazing programs and performances to come.

Good luck to Patrick in getting the perfect choreography for his new programs. It would be our good fortune as well.
 
I was behind the judges with a good view for the competition, but unfortunately when the skaters got REALLY close to the boards I could not see them. During practices, I was very close to the ice as well as during the exhibition. I had a great view of Patrick then. My heart was pounding so hard during Men's FS I'm afraid sometimes I averted my eyes :scard7:when they got too close to the boards and/or didn't look good in the air (and knew they would fall).

I only had my iPhone so got only a few not-very-good pictures. Was too excited just looking!

I was not sure if any Chan fans made it to Worlds but wanted to share a bit about my week. I'm not a skater. It was my first competition and I attended most of the men's practices and all of the events. I really enjoyed seeing Patrick skate live. Sometimes he had a bit of trouble with his jumps and other times he looked great. I was very close to the ice during practices and Patrick is very muscular (in a good way :), compact and fast! It was nice that he received a lot of applause at practices (Mao and Yuzu did also). He looked good during the SP, and I had high hopes for him and the other men. My heart broke for for Patrick, Shoma, and Yuzuru with their rough free skates. Some people were commenting that these three use their edges more than the others and seemed affected more by the poor ice conditions. I felt like the crowd was quite partisan towards the Americans (standing O's for all of them, really?) and did my best to cheer loudly for the others, especially my guys. Was thrilled to see that Patrick was selected for the exhibition - his number really showed off his great skating. As I said I'm not a skater, nor a particularly knowledgeable fan but wanted to share some of of my impressions.

Thank you so much for sharing your on-site experiences with us! So some in the audience did notice the poor ice conditions and how they affected certain skaters. Hmmm... I have no doubt that the ice was great for the exhibition, though. Did Patrick ever come very close to your side of the boards? Did you get to take a lot of photos of the men?
 
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South Korea's Yuzuru Hanyu? Yuzuru and Yuna, are you twins or am I seeing double? Asians must look all the same to DiManno.

Yeah, I can't believe how many mix-ups and near-misses journalists and broadcast commentators alike have had in the past week. Although... When that one announcer said "Ch...Canada", I thought they might have been ready to say "Chanada". :biggrin:

Hey, Patrick, it should be common sense but better late than never. I do understand that champions and other super successful people don't always have the same common sense as mere mortals. Bless them and may they keep their special common sense and let us in a little sometimes.

I think this season's roller coaster has humbled Patrick. Perhaps his deficiency in "common sense" is more due to overblown expectations rather than outright arrogance. He had always been the one with that special talent, and after winning Worlds and nearly winning the Olympics, he (and everyone else) probably expected that the comeback would be much easier than it's been. Besides, he's lived in the privileged, rarefied bubble of an elite athlete. I'm glad he has Kathy to keep him grounded. The challenges he's faced this year have hopefully made him listen more to her advice, as she has proven to have good foresight. She was the one who had advised him to put a 4S in his program before he thought he needed to, and now he intends to do it.

So I see this good trait about Patrick's character: While he can be quite stubborn in his opinions, once he is convinced that he needs to take a course of action in order to be successful, he will give it his all - no halfhearted efforts from him.

Of course, if all else fails, VB can just scold him. ;)

I wrote before that all the ingredients for an amazing performance from Patrick were there but of course at the end the prerequisite basic good ice was missing. Yet, I still see that Patrick has kept all the winning ingredients despite what happened.

I think I've learned more about the science of ice this year than I ever did in my life! According to this page, the ice in Boston was probably too cold because it was full of ruts. I noticed that both times the bad ice happened was when Patrick had to skate late at night, when temperatures outside were at their coldest. Anyone who's interested can read more about rink ice here and here.

But in reply to your previous reply about paranoia, I prefer to call it preparedness, and it's only meant to apply to Patrick's work as an athlete, not his entire life. Since energy and time are finite, he could look at the top 3-5 factors that impacted his performances the most this season and prepare for those (including bad ice).

Anyway, for now I hope he enjoys his trip to Japan and his ice shows. I expect to see a lot of happy photos with fans.:)
 
Here is some data for you all to chew on. British Eurosport pointed out that Patrick last won Worlds with a score of 267.78. This year he placed 5th with almost the same score, 266.75. In Sochi, Yuzu and Patrick got 280.09 and 275.62 points, respectively, for gold and silver. How times have changed. :shocked:

I want to also re-emphasize these amazing comments made about Patrick:

From A Perfect Program: Patrick Chan’s Chopin LP
First, there’s the purity of the music. There are no big orchestral flourishes in this Chopin music; no crescendos from 20 string instruments. There is only the solo piano. What type of sound could be better suited to Patrick Chan’s skating? As a performer, Patrick doesn’t need (or, perhaps, want) showy melodrama. His pure basic skating is so exceptional, so renowned, that it doesn’t need embellishment. Just watching the play of Chan’s blades on the ice is a treat, a special experience, akin to witnessing a master class from an expert. Surely, the simplicity of the solo piano is the perfect match to the virtuosity of Chan’s basic skating skills.

From a Japanese blog post
However, Chan is not just a figure skater... if Hanyu is the sword of punishment of the men's figure skating, he's the soul of men's figure skating.

From Yuzu (especially meaningful to me because Yuzu appears unbeatable right now when he skates clean, and yet he acknowledges he can't skate the way Patrick does)
Chan: Strong. His skates with such a sound! 'Gooooo' (rumbling sound) The way he uses his edges, the bend and extension of his knees, he goes with a strength only he has. If someone said 'skate like Patrick' I could do it, for about 20-30 seconds. But for him on top of the quads and with the axels and triple triples, he skates like that till the end of the program, he has that strength. The feeling that he rules the skates in terms of skating quality.
Side note: Japanese TV does such good stuff! It's fun to listen to/watch even though I don't speak Japanese. :clap:
 
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Hi guys!:thank:

I've been lurking, not posting much after being shooed off by some name-calling on another thread, and of course doing this :dumb::hpull::palmf::drama: for most of the Men's FS. So be kind, ok? I mean well, but I am not here to praise Patrick, but to offer some views about how and why he didn't deliver his best. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells sometimes on these forums.

I had a very bad feeling about the escalation of the...ahem..."practicegate"...but one good thing about that is I started to find out more about the Frank Carroll method, and I think Patrick can really take a leaf from his experience and expertise.

What I mean is that to Frank Carroll, anything that doesn't help a skater win is absolutely to be thrown outside, eg. tears, moods, etc. he'll kick you out of his rink for the day and call security on you.

It can seem heartless, which was why many skaters parted, eg. Mirai and even Kwan, but, but, but.....does it work? Looking at Gracie now compared to her pre-Carroll days, she is absolutely poised, grown up, tough-minded, no longer a skating princess and a precious snowflake. Yes, she fell, and couldn't capitalize on her SP, but she never skated better, and it's a matter of time for Gracie.

He is RIGHT - in the end, all that matters for the top tier athletes is that you put up one of the best performances like you did during a good practice on the day when it truly counts, no ifs or buts. It's psychological attrition, in his words.

Everything else is mental and psychological debris, they just get in your way of delivering at the moment when it counts the most, like the ruts and puddles on the ice.

So why and how is it that the 4CC Patrick didn't show up at World's?

Yes, it could be true it was the ice, but WHY didn't Patrick or his coach prepare for such an eventuality? Didn't they encounter another difficult ice condition previously?

To me, telling it AFTER the competition will not make a difference, Patrick didn't deliver, didn't podium and his detractors cracked jokes about Patrick's wine.

Now, at the moment when he stepped on the ice, Patrick knew and felt the unevenness of the ice, why didn't he have the presence of mind to think of a way to remedy it?

Don't laugh, but this is what I would have done if I were Patrick - I would have stumbled a few times as I skated around before getting into position, the audience would gasp, I would then skate towards the judges and tell them the ice was full of ruts.

Mindful of the consequences or ignoring such a complaint, they might do a quick flooding and although the audience had to wait for 5-10 minutes, their reward would be one of the better performances of the famed Chopin FS, whether or not Patrick wins.

In the end, Patrick is entitled to skate on decent ice, like all the other skaters, the playing field must be even, ha, pardon the pun.

Unfortunately, what happened was Patrick felt the ruts in the ice, felt the fear/worry about the blades, and he carried that thought with him and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Frank would have told him to ABANDON any thought or mental/emotional debris other than the ones that run through your head during your best practices! These psychological debris are perhaps worse, because Patrick might have been capable of overcoming them with his excellent SS and pure physical power being the athlete that he is.

In the end, it was the carefree Javier, fresh from a foot massage away from all the drama, who jumped, skipped, hopped and smiled his way into the audience's heart and to historic gold.
 
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Btw, forget about skating to Feeling Good....I don't know why but for a relatively old and unknown song, it's the POTO for this World's...:confused:
 
qwerty,

do not be afraid of us chanfans, we are always welcoming and loving... (for my part, I am even WAY TOO LOVING ) ;) :) :)

I have no idea if the judges would have done anything about the ice... it may have been even worse to talk about it before.... one tries to survive...

I am a pianist. I never get to play on my own piano and often, I play on subpar instruments.... the joys of touring lol.... what we are trained to do is to suck it up and try our best, but sometimes, it's just impossible to sound good.... someone pointed out that one could perhaps play 3 blind mice on a bad instrument, because it's easier.... but to go out and play a very intricate piece or perform a program full of turns and edge work on bad ice like Patrick's, is not possible....

Whenever i have to perform on such a piano, I try to rely on my training... hope that nobody else would notice.... That's what Patrick probably tried to do.... but then he quickly found out he couldn't.....

Also, can you imagine all the bashers if Patrick had gotten a flood right before skating ? The crowd, the other skaters, the fans on this scary forum, they would have all been mad....

I agree with you though that with quad galore happening right now, there should be better ice conditions... If i can live with 12 skaters per flood in the SP, it doesn't make sense to do the same thing in the FP.... Let's hope the ISU will figure this out quickly... there should be a technician who ensures safe and decent ice for everyone .


We missed you qwerty, come back lurking and posting :hap10:
 
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I like the warm fuzzy feeling of this thread and how sweet you are foreverchan!:thank:

But like Frank would have said, there must be fairness and winning is all that matters, so what if people start whispering? Shut them up by winning. The medal's yours, not theirs, haha.

I think it would have been fair to ask for ice repair, it was definitely a factor for a skater, and Patrick MUST fight for the right thing, and ruts do affect skating, especially for the jumps, quads, etc. Say if there were a hole in Usain Bolt's lane, he would have asked the organizers to fix it wouldn't he?

Imagine he had skated his best...no one would say a word afterwards, and he would be praised for asserting his right to a decent, not gutted ice to skate on.

If I were Patrick, I would speak up or forever hold my tongue...anything said after you lost just sounds like sour grapes to most people, no matter how true they were.

Patrick's gonna face many more "problems" each competition - he must find a way to steel himself, not let them get to him, or be wily enough to solve them on the spot, for his own benefit. Crying afterwards is absolutely futile.
 
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perhaps his crying after is sort of preparing the future... see at 4CC he complained after the SP and in an interview he said that he spoke a lot with the technician... ice was flawless for the LP....

maybe by speaking up NOW, he is preparing better conditions for 2018? I don't see it as whining or sour grapes simply because I am put in the same situation with bad pianos all the time... (and I often tell my colleagues... that piano was :tantrum: so that next time, maybe we don't have to play there or a better piano is used)...

I think that in the moment, it is tough to assess... I think that ideally, before the last flight of skaters, it should be evaluated.... but I cannot imagine having 20K people looking at Patrick, waiting for him to start, and then he says ; sorry... ice is garbage...
;)

Like if i walked on stage and stormed out when noticing i am playing a bad piano ;)

I think that there is a reason why we say " the show must go on" .... what worried me the most is that Patrick felt he didn't feel safe there.... that worried me.... i care that he didn't do better for sure, but if he had fallen because of a problem with the ice, and injured himself, I would have been very mad....

some people pointed out that Javi did much better because his jumps were in the middle of the ice rather than at the ends.... it's something that needs to be thought of too... Patrick goes way back to the boards for his two quads....

all of this being said, i get your point... about being assertive... at the same time, yuzu was very assertive about D10 being in his way... and look what happened to both of them... worlds are over now... they had bad FPs as well... and now they are shaking hands and posting on instagram ;) assertion sometimes creates more pressure...

back to my piano example.... once I had the chance to choose the best piano possible.... and it was a big event... and I chose a beautiful Steinway.... and then, i was feeling the pressure of "you better do well now, this piano is perfect".... and I didn't do as well as I wanted to ;)

of course, when i mess up, i just play wrong notes.... when patrick messes up, he falls.... but he didn't during the FP :)
 
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