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Sergei Voronov

From what I can tell from GoogleTranslate, this interview with Urmanov seems to say that Sergei first tried to move to Urmanov's group, but that didn't work out...? :confused:
http://www.sportsdaily.ru/articles/aleksej-urmanov-lipniczkaya-budet-souchastnikom-bezobraziya

- Is it true that you in the Group requests Sergei Voronov, who retired from Eteri Tutberidze and became the champion of Russia during his training in St. Petersburg?
- True. Only Sergei eventually will train in a group Inna Goncharenko, and share the details of our negotiations does not make sense.
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Urmanov was his coach for many years...during that time, Sergei was a 2-time Junior Worlds medalist and 2-time Russian national champion. I am really surprised that he would have considered following Yulia to Sochi, and going back to an old coach, but maybe the conditions there seemed appealing. Wonder what happened...I guess we may never know all the details. :think:
 
I was there...it was unfortunate. He looked pretty out of breath at the end...I wonder if jet lag/exhaustion played a big part. I mean, Elena struggled in the SP too...so maybe their team just didn't plan correctly. I don't know, I want to hope that things will improve but I still have big reservations about this coach switch. This wasn't a great season but still, to score that low is really shocking. :ohwell: On the bright side, he brought a lot of team spirit and kept a good attitude, indeed.

Cute!

http://cs627618.vk.me/v627618615/56946/YXLiOJQwtoo.jpg
http://cs626927.vk.me/v626927615/4ade/d1P65DY1Ad8.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEktdT4PjrALVfTBsLPrpqlhJ3TzMR-CFscXY40/?taken-by=sergeyvoronov
Caption: Losers Team :laugh::cry:
 
 
borzaya said:
Sergey is in Italy now :)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEwT-_8vjr_CY_BzOibFDo14a2plfFuAmVGk8c0/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEzuV_2vjtkKOQO3_PudV0SXHpY7q0wuuT43PI0/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEzuZfqPjt4CUpJPBxBCaWiLiItFsE0lrhxzxM0/?

If you don't follow his IG (which is private) - here are the same links:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t...g?ig_cache_key=MTIzODU3Nzc4OTY4Mjk4OTgyMw==.2
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t...g?ig_cache_key=MTIzOTUzODE0NDI2OTcxMjIyOA==.2
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t...g?ig_cache_key=MTIzOTUzODM4NDU3ODE2NTYyNA==.2
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The first 3 links don't work for me.


https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t...g?ig_cache_key=MTIzODU3Nzc4OTY4Mjk4OTgyMw==.2 This is Verona, the statue of Julia under the balcony. Look the her boobs every visitor touch them and wish something...
 
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plushyfan said:
The first 3 links don't work for me.
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That is why I posted the alternative links for the same photos :) The first 3 links and the second 3 ones are the same. But the direct links to his IG work only if you follow his Instagram.
 
He is very honest...I think it takes a lot of guts to start over yet again with a new coach at his age, and to try learning another quad. I am sorry I doubted Inna...just knowing that she believes in him makes me glad that he ended up with her. I just don't know that much about her, apart from what she has done with Elena.

Whatever he can achieve, I just hope he will be able to look back with no regrets.

One thing...he said he was told to his face that he had no future in the sport. I wonder who said that. Surely not Eteri? :jaw:
 
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I don't know quite why, but I got the impression that more than one person had said it. It doesn't necessarily have to have been very recent either - his career has been up-and-down, and we all know how happy some people are to write other people off at the slightest sign of adversity (most people, though, probably refrain from saying it to the person's face... )
 
silverfoxes said:
He is very honest...I think it takes a lot of guts to start over yet again with a new coach at his age, and to try learning another quad. I am sorry I doubted Inna...just knowing that she believes in him makes me glad that he ended up with her. I just don't know that much about her, apart from what she has done with Elena.

Whatever he can achieve, I just hope he will be able to look back with no regrets.

One thing...he said he was told to his face that he had no future in the sport. I wonder who said that. Surely not Eteri? :jaw:
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I am not a fan of Voronov but I can imagine how unpleasant and disrespectful it might be. I wish him to be able to stay away from such people and focus on his own priorities in skating and in anything else.
 
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silverfoxes said:
One thing...he said he was told to his face that he had no future in the sport. I wonder who said that. Surely not Eteri? :jaw:
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Surely, not. According to him, she just said that such thoughts (that she's lost interest in him as a skater) are destructive. Nothing else.

LRK said:
I don't know quite why, but I got the impression that more than one person had said it. It doesn't necessarily have to have been very recent either - his career has been up-and-down, and we all know how happy some people are to write other people off at the slightest sign of adversity (most people, though, probably refrain from saying it to the person's face... )
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That's true. Unfortunately, we also know how often skaters hurry to change coaches at the slightest sign of adversity. In particular, Voronov had left Urmanov with whom he's enjoyed great success, as Silverfoxes noted above, but then left him after a less successful season, with lots of complaints aired in the press. With Tutberidze he won his first two European medals and qualified for GPF for the first time (where he won the bronze). But after a less successful season he left her, again with lots of complaints aired in the press. And as Batsuchan noted above, he first tried to switch to Urmanov, of all people, but Urmanov declined the honor, unlike with Yulia. Any guesses as to why? Personally, I have a very hard time believing that Tutberidze began paying him very little attention following his unsuccessful performance at the previous Worlds. That whole season was very successful for him, and if coaches gave up on skaters after one unsuccessful competition, they'd have no one left to work with.
 
hanca said:
I doubt that it was a mutual agreement. Usually change is when someone is not happy. Either Tutberidze kicked him out, which I think is not very likely, or he was not happy with his training conditions. He may not want to complain loudly because that would damage the relationship with Tutberidze, and he will be seeing her in the future frequently at the competitions. Tutberidze has too many skaters, and quite a few of them pretty succesful within their age group, but that means that they all need their time with her. Goncharenko has Elena, Voronov and the rest are B level of skaters, so both Elena and Voronov will be able to have plenty of individual attention. If Tutberidze had 25 skaters, how many hours of one to one per day she could give him?
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My impression is that as soon as one skater has a minor failure (say third instead of first, or even second instead of first), Eteri loses all her interest, because she has other chicken to roost. First Julia, then Adam and Sergey. When I saw them at Finlandia Trophy, I immediately suspected another "Julia" case. Idem for Pitkeek doing so bad at Nationals (and he had done so good at Rostelecom Cup).
So after Julia, Pitkeev and Sergey, I'm pretty convinced that Eteri is so: use them , throw them as soon as they're no more profitable. I don't like her at all.
 
rosy14 said:
My impression is that as soon as one skater has a minor failure (say third instead of first, or even second instead of first), Eteri loses all her interest, because she has other chicken to roost. First Julia, then Adam and Sergey. When I saw them at Finlandia Trophy, I immediately suspected another "Julia" case. Idem for Pitkeek doing so bad at Nationals (and he had done so good at Rostelecom Cup).
So after Julia, Pitkeev and Sergey, I'm pretty convinced that Eteri is so: use them , throw them as soon as they're no more profitable. I don't like her at all.
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Ridiculous. Eteri has long term unsuccessful skaters that were never "profitable" to begin with but yet they are still with her. Both Yulia and Sergei stopped listening to Eteri so they naturally started falling. Just as Sergei said himself It is never only one persons fault.
 
stryke said:
Ridiculous. Eteri has long term unsuccessful skaters that were never "profitable" to begin with but yet they are still with her. Both Yulia and Sergei stopped listening to Eteri so they naturally started falling. Just as Sergei said himself It is never only one persons fault.
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What proof do you have of this?

I see no reason to doubt anything he said in the interview...he always spoke extremely highly of Eteri in the past. If he wanted to leave just because he was unhappy with the results of this season, I would think he would have lined up a new coach first instead of simply burning his bridges without even saying goodbye. He didn't seem like himself, especially at the Cup of Russia final.

I don't know if Eteri consciously pays more attention to her more successful students or not, but all that really matters is the skaters' individual perception. If Sergei, or Adian or Yulia felt like they needed more attention, then they all have the right to find a coach who could give them that. Eteri's style is right for some skaters at some times, and others not...and the same goes for every other coach.
 
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With all respect to all our favorite athletes, I gotta say that the coach has any right to push any underperforming athlete on a side and dedicate more time to more perspective one. That's sport, isn't it. Competition, evolution. It's probably not like Eteri banned him of coming in and training on ice. As I understand Eteri has a big team of specialists around her. If she personally made a bet on particular atheltes she believes in and dedicated more time and the most important best choreography programs for those - I say it's totally fair. If Voronov was underperforming, he should got back on that horse and ride it hard on getting better and sweating it out of more hours on training to prove Eteri what he is worthy.

Sambo-70 school has a lot of money, trust me, they don't really need figure skaters to show to the feds to ask for more funds allocation. As I udnerstood the school of funded mostlt by the budget of Moscow. Eteri is not just a coach with her team who desperately needs funding, but she is a part of a big sport school. They have their funds disregarding. It's not only Voronov and few others under her wing, it's the whole bunch of students of Sambo-70 school, figure skaters of different age groups. Sambo-70 does not need successful athletes with medals just for funds, but they need medals to prove they are emerging sport school, for prestige. They are 46 years old, the history of school goes back to 1970. Sambo-70 first of all is a big school of martial arts. Including combat martial arts and Olympic types like sambo, judo, jiu-jitsu & etc. Figure skating for them is just a sidekick, they basically gave Eteri funds, facility and green lights to do whatever she wants, in return they want medals and raising prestige as a sport schools.

Heck, if someone like aging Hollywood actor and judo master Steven Segal visiting this school to teach Sambo-70 students judo or aikido, I would not think that they will be babysitting Voronov, if he does not want to be patient and sweat more. However, I dunno his situation, but this is the sport system where he was training. And he knew about it from the hello. Like I said Sambo-70 is a very competitive environment. There are always some more kids (and talanted ones!) in the wings. That is the way sport is. Evgenia Medvedeva is from Moscow, she is their home-grown, not "imported from other city", hehe.

Voronov could have remained with the school, train harder, and get back on a track, or he could have changed the coach. He choose to change the scenery. I guess it's his choice, and noone to blame here. This is the system Eteri working in, this is where Voronov were training himself for years. He knows the drill. Sambo-70 is competitive environment from what I have heard of. Voronov might indeed need a change of scenery, sometimes it helps. I hope he will raise like a phoenix. But system which is Eteri part of, and it works. She just needs better dedicated specialists for jumping technique. Pair her iron will with philosophy and know-hows of Mishin and it will hell fire mix! :)

ETA: just cheked, Sambo-70 has not only martial arts and figure skating. They also have different kind of gymnastics, acrobatic rock-n-roll (whatever it is, I dunno :) ) and bunch of other sports. So Sambo-70 just a sport school full of talented and selected kids running around and slowly growing into athletes. Kids probably tried different sports and sticked or advised to stick with one or just few of them. Medvedeva is home grown phenomena in this school. She is from Moscow after all. Yulia Lipnitskaya moved from her city and enrolled in this school too. So did Voronov. They have plenty talented kids there along with sport coaches and psychologists and pro-specialists in different sports. All of them under one roof. Eteri is one of them. But she is in charge of the whole FS program there. Certainly she can cherry pick the one she likes and belives in the most. There are many more other teachers there, correct me if I'm wrong here, but that is my impression. It's logical that Eteri can coloborate with other in-house FS teachers or specialist in let's say acrobatics or inhouse choreographers. They all are a team under one roof. They have many facilities in different Moscow locations tho.

Gymnastics: http://youtu.be/cKJoxLH5K04
Acrobaric Rock'n'roll: http://youtu.be/uBhtNfi0_fY
Or exhibitions of Japanese martial arts (like 6 of those): http://youtu.be/8Z6_hb0G9eA
Prom ceremony for graduates (high school age equivalent): http://youtu.be/QcGginqs-4g
 
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