Iconic jump combination

[andromache]

this thread is about combos... but if I may join the 3A party : i have a favourite and it's not yuzu, despite his being gorgeous as well... here is my preferred one

and in combo

Han Yan's 3A is my fave too. The height and distance are AMAZING.

Yuzu's is better in some ways (transitions, control, etc) but I care more about height and distance in jumps, though I totally understand that others have different tastes.

 

[karne]

Oh? We're having a 3A discussion now? Ah, perfect time to bring in the most perfect 3A. Not cluttered up with any stupid transitions, just presented with its own technical flawlessness.

Alas that we will never see it again

 

[MaxSwagg]

Oh? We're having a 3A discussion now? Ah, perfect time to bring in the most perfect 3A. Not cluttered up with any stupid transitions, just presented with its own technical flawlessness.

Alas that we will never see it again

Well, 3A combinations. I can't remember if Josh ever even did any difficult 3A combinations...

 

[karne]

Oh, combinations, well, I can give some examples:

Exemplary 3A-3T from younger years

The last 3A combination - 3A-2T-2Lo perfectly with the music and effortlessly landed

He may have gone for something harder in later years, but sadly, we will now never know.

 

[mrrice]

Oh? We're having a 3A discussion now? Ah, perfect time to bring in the most perfect 3A. Not cluttered up with any stupid transitions, just presented with its own technical flawlessness.

Alas that we will never see it again

My talented child. I will miss seeing him out there on the Ice. Maybe he will follow Emanuel Sandu's footsteps. Eman was on SYTYCD Canada and maybe Joshua can go on the Voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeOcFZb79PQ

 

[Blades of Passion]

I know. But some things are still...twisted a little bit. Like this height/distance thing in the combinations.

LOL? There is nothing "twisted" about valuing height and distance in jumps.

And yes this 3A+3T from Han Yan is very much a candidate for the best ever.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Surya Bonaly: back flip to a triple salchow. It's a jump combo! I swear! She does "jump" when backflipping


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mVVy25e-vk

This. Nobody else has ever been able to duplicate this maneuver (closest I guess is Ryan Bradley).

It's hard to say what makes a combination "iconic".

Lu Chen's 3T-3T at the end of her gutsy Olympic free program was two-footed and under rotated but was still "iconic" in that moment/context.

Similarly Plu's 3A+3F (right edge or not) was absolutely crazy astounding to see.

Lipinski's 3T-L-3S "with no speed!" is a memorable one.

And as mentioned, Ito's 2L+3L which blew everyone's mind.

Obviously Jin's 4Z+3T trumps any difficulty from his predecessors, Plu, Hanyu, Elvis, Goebel.

As far as the triple axel debate - Hanyu's is overall the best but if you took the best triple axels ever done, I'd put Farris, Yan and maybe Yagudin ahead of it. A difficult entry is one thing (which makes Hanyu's 3A "iconic"), but there are many other aspects of the jump to consider.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Lu Chen's 3T-3T at the end of her gutsy Olympic free program was two-footed and under rotated but was still "iconic" in that moment/context.

It actually wasn't two-footed, just drastically underrotated with a very low free foot. I agree it was iconic; brilliant at that moment of the program. Also, this is a case where a combo with a << jump deserves +GOE, because the first jump was good and the second one was still controlled and purposeful, so no point in scoring it lower than a 3T+2T would have got. A 3T<< is still more rotation than a 2T, after all.

 

[Mathman]

Will we see a quad-quad combo by 2018?

 

[Marin]

Will we see a quad-quad combo by 2018?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bf7t9_141130%E3%82%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%88%E3%83%AB_sport

1.14 Mura jumping 4T4T

 

[Interspectator]

3A Combos of Han Yan, Joshua Farris and Yuzu are my favorites
Shomas Axel-lo-Flip combo is very pretty

 

[Mathman]

It is kind of a shame, though, that the quad explosion has pushed the magnificent triple Axel off center stage. A triple Axel? -- get off the ice with weak stuff.

 

[Interspectator]

It is kind of a shame, though, that the quad explosion has pushed the magnificent triple Axel off center stage. A triple Axel? -- get off the ice with weak stuff.

I blame Boyang. That 4Lz-3t is epic and truly iconic.

 

[FlattFan]

I definitely can't agree with that. He's a master of the jump for sure and is able to do it with a shockingly low amount of effort, but it's not the biggest 3A ever and he generally finishes the rotation right as he lands, not having the same amount of "hang time" as other executions of the jump. Hanyu of course makes it more difficult for himself with the entrances but even without a difficult entrance I've never seen him be able to do a 3A like Yagudin/Petrenko/Browning/Boitano and all the other people with that kind of technique on the jump.

You only have go to back 1 year to see his solo triple Axel in CoC where he did a spread eagle into it and spread eagle out of it. That was epic. The height, the speed, the distance, the flow. None of Yagudin/Petrenko/Browning/Boitano can dream of having that kind of triple axel. He was able to transfer the entire kinetic energy from take off to landing and his speed stayed the same. That 3A was the 3A of all great 3As. No one can do it and no one will ever be able to do it.

 

[xibsuarz]

You only have go to back 1 year to see his solo triple Axel in CoC where he did a spread eagle into it and spread eagle out of it. That was epic. The height, the speed, the distance, the flow. None of Yagudin/Petrenko/Browning/Boitano can dream of having that kind of triple axel. He was able to transfer the entire kinetic energy from take off to landing and his speed stayed the same. That 3A was the 3A of all great 3As. No one can do it and no one will ever be able to do it.

Well, who knows? Perhaps someone will do it again later on. Even though the younger skaters seem to have an easier time landing the quads than a 3A sometimes

 

[mrrice]

Well Yuzuru always jumps his 3A in the second half and in combo... and always with difficult entrance. I hardly see him does 3A without any difficulty lol. My friends who have watched him live in practice at Boston all said his 3A is HUGE (and even his 3A3T is huge too). So I think it's ok for them to say his 3A is the best because that's the best they have seen in their generation.

And with all my love to Yagudin, he was an amazing jumper but I don't think his technique was impeccable. Let's say I think Yagudin was more powerful but Plushy had better technique.

And with all my love to Yagudin, he was an amazing jumper but I don't think his technique was impeccable. Let's say I think Yagudin was more powerful but Plushy had better technique.

I agree completely. I saw them both perform live in 2001 and Yags was certainly a showman but, Plushy and IMO, Todd Eldredge were both better at that event. Salt Lake City was a different story. That event belonged to Yags and he deservedly won it.

 

[Blades of Passion]

You only have go to back 1 year to see his solo triple Axel in CoC where he did a spread eagle into it and spread eagle out of it. That was epic. That was epic. The height, the speed, the distance, the flow. None of Yagudin/Petrenko/Browning/Boitano can dream of having that kind of triple axel.

The height and distance were not that great, he gets a bit tilted in the air, and he does not have hang time in the air before completing the rotation:

Hanyu sandwich spread eagle - It was a brilliant choreographic and interpretative concept here and certainly very difficult, but the jump itself lacks many "best" qualities.

Now here is a 3A+3T and solo 3A from Petrenko - Look at the explosiveness off the ice (Hanyu's jump is not this high) and how he is able to stop rotating more than a foot off the ice, coming down out of the jump with a fully extended leg and completely straight back. The second 3A here has a spiral transition before it too.

 

[FlattFan]

The height and distance were not that great, he gets a bit tilted in the air, and he does not have hang time in the air before completing the rotation:

Hanyu sandwich spread eagle - It was a brilliant choreographic and interpretative concept here and certainly very difficult, but the jump itself lacks many "best" qualities.

Now here is a great 3A from Petrenko - Look at the explosiveness off the ice (Hanyu's jump is not this high) and how he is able to stop rotating more than a foot off the ice, coming down out of the jump with a fully extended leg and completely straight back.

Good height but so many cross over + stalking the jump for 1/4 of the rink. Little flow out of the jump. Today, it wouldn't even get +2 GOE.

How is this any better than Brezina's 3A. Has similar explosiveness and height but with better flow out.

 

[Lys]

Now here is a 3A+3T and solo 3A from Petrenko - Look at the explosiveness off the ice (Hanyu's jump is not this high) and how he is able to stop rotating more than a foot off the ice, coming down out of the jump with a fully extended leg and completely straight back. The second 3A here has a spiral transition before it too.

That's good, but I slightly prefer Raya's.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Today, it wouldn't even get +2 GOE.

Yes it would. And no he is not stalking the jump, he is doing powerful crossovers into it. Gliding across the ice with majesty.

The second 3A there has a transition into it and more flow out.

As for the Brezina comparison, he takes more a "stalk" to it and does not complete the rotation in the air like this.