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For the last few years I've been hoping that Patrick would cross paths with Doug Leigh and perhaps develop some type of coaching relationship. As Doug is now no longer coaching on a full time basis and works in a consulting capacity only I think he would be a good addition to Team Chan.

For those who are new to figure skating, Doug Leigh is the former coach to both Brian Orser and Elvis Stoyko. Doug would provide the technical expertise that everybody is arguing that Patrick needs; it should quiet the critics - for a little while anyways.

How does everybody else feel about this?
 
i always liked doug leigh ... no idea how their personality would work together... but i'd be excited if he were on team chiddy. :) maybe VB has some insight on this ???

blueberryhill said:
For the last few years I've been hoping that Patrick would cross paths with Doug Leigh and perhaps develop some type of coaching relationship. As Doug is now no longer coaching on a full time basis and works in a consulting capacity only I think he would be a good addition to Team Chan.

For those who are new to figure skating, Doug Leigh is the former coach to both Brian Orser and Elvis Stoyko. Doug would provide the technical expertise that everybody is arguing that Patrick needs; it should quiet the critics - for a little while anyways.

How does everybody else feel about this?
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Osborne Colson is the reason why I think no one else in the world can skate like Patrick. Unless Patrick teaches others to skate in his style.

For now, he needs someone to help him a bit technically, and be a rock until the 2018 Olympics end. Not too much to ask, but someone will have to step up to the plate. Skate Canada is probably going :tantrum: though with this development.
 
Mango said:
Osborne Colson is the reason why I think no one else in the world can skate like Patrick. Unless Patrick teaches others to skate in his style.

For now, he needs someone to help him a bit technically, and be a rock until the 2018 Olympics end. Not too much to ask, but someone will have to step up to the plate. Skate Canada is probably going :tantrum: though with this development.
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and patrick will share that knowledge :) i'm so thrilled.
 
blueberryhill said:
For the last few years I've been hoping that Patrick would cross paths with Doug Leigh and perhaps develop some type of coaching relationship. As Doug is now no longer coaching on a full time basis and works in a consulting capacity only I think he would be a good addition to Team Chan.

For those who are new to figure skating, Doug Leigh is the former coach to both Brian Orser and Elvis Stoyko. Doug would provide the technical expertise that everybody is arguing that Patrick needs; it should quiet the critics - for a little while anyways.

How does everybody else feel about this?
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The suggestion sounds fabulous. :love: My only concern is that he seems to be as old as Frank Carroll which makes Doug hard travel overseas. I don't know how old he is though.
 
Crossover said:
The suggestion sounds fabulous. :love: My only concern is that he seems to be as old as Frank Carroll which makes Doug hard travel overseas. I don't know how old he is though.
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If I had to guesstimate I'd say Doug is under 70 . . . which by today's standard is not old. (Haven't you heard, 70 is the new 50, or so they say!)

IIRC, Doug was in his early twenties when he started with Brian. That would put him at the most, 15 years older than Brian who is 54. (Btw, Doug's ex-wife Michelle is one of Alaine Chartrand's coaches.)

Doug and Elvis parted ways. For the last four years of his competitive career, Elvis went with his choreographer Uschi Kesler. Although Doug and Elvis were professional, I don't think each went out of their way to be overly friendly.

If, and that's a big if, Doug were to join Team Chan, I think it would be in an advisory position and not full-time. I don't know how the logistics would work. Doug started the Mariposa School so I guess that's his base, and PChiddy is where . . .?

I really like the idea of Doug. I think what Patrick needs from a tech coach is to just trust his techniques when the chips are down. And to get that second quad . . . :)
 
Thanks calica for posting this article!
This paragraph moves me to tears:
Chan and his family were with Colson when he died, and that just before Colson passed away, "Patrick said goodbye very close to his ears and vowed to skate his best for him."
 
m0001 said:
Thanks calica for posting this article!
This paragraph moves me to tears:
Chan and his family were with Colson when he died, and that just before Colson passed away, "Patrick said goodbye very close to his ears and vowed to skate his best for him."
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And he has kept his promise.

For 2010 Olympic Gala, Patrick brought back his Yesterday program to pay tribute to Mr. Colson, which included skating figures that Mr. Colson taught him, which became the foundation of all his skating skills. Of course, Mr. Colson then sent him that Belief balloon. A strict grouchy old coach that he was, he had the staunchest belief in Patrick's future as a World Champion. Such faith and trust in a young boy served as a motivational force as important as any training in his skating career.
 
me too... :cry:
m0001 said:
Thanks calica for posting this article!
This paragraph moves me to tears:
Chan and his family were with Colson when he died, and that just before Colson passed away, "Patrick said goodbye very close to his ears and vowed to skate his best for him."
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vivley said:
Another article: Patrick Chan Loses Coach of Four Years

http://culturess.com/2016/08/25/pat...ews&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=apple-news

I like this part:

"It is not impossible Chan may try to go without a coach at all, at least for a time. His skating technique and expression is certainly good enough to need no coaching."
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Patrick definitely needs a coach if he is to compete. But I don't have the same idea of a coach as most people do. At his level, it's not about someone to teach him techniques when Patrick can himself be an instantly sought after coach if he chooses to teach. He has more skills than all the coaches right now. His work ethics and self discipline have been well noted so it's not about someone to crack that whip to get him to work hard. It's not all about working hard anyway.

He needs a good mentor, an astute observer and effective communicator because it's all about nuances now, technical and mental. He is also used to and has thrived under devoted individualized attention. His coach has to recognize and respect his talents and let him express himself. And then there will be times when his super human resilience and mental strength need to be awakened from under duress. Super talented human, he's all these.

The relationship between a coach and a student is extremely important. The right fit makes an easy successful partnership with trust, inspiration, and fast motivated progress.

He can't go it alone. He needs a good partner, on and off the rink and at competitions.

He has never really gone out to seek a coach before. Instead they came into his life in one of his stressful transitional periods, and helped him step up again in his progress. They were not conventional coaches but contributed to his growth at various stages of his career.

May the right coach/mentor/partner be there for him again.
 
VB and 4everchan, I agree with you both about Patrick needing a support system, and I hope he finds the right mentor(s), too.

What I like about that quote was the acknowledgement that Patrick's skill level such that he does not need coaching in the conventional sense (like what you said, VB).

It was interesting that the writer thought Charlie was coaching Patrick. Certainly her comments about McLeod were quite critical...
 
vivley said:
VB and 4everchan, I agree with you both about Patrick needing a support system, and I hope he finds the right mentor(s), too.

What I like about that quote was the acknowledgement that Patrick's skill level such that he does not need coaching in the conventional sense (like what you said, VB).
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He still needs someone with technical knowledge who understands body structure and movements and the physics of these movements to watch him. It's the little tweaking, physical or mental, or an insight, that can make all the difference in different aspects of a jump, or even a tiny segment of the skating. At his level, it's perfectionism. Keen eyes and understanding from an expert observer is necessary no matter how good he is. He can't stray. He has to progress.

He is like a high performance race car. A neighbourhood mechanic won't do.

It was interesting that the writer thought Charlie was coaching Patrick. Certainly her comments about McLeod were quite critical...
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Charlie may just be a good coach for him though it is unlikely that he is able to help in jumping.
 
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I think the best coach for Patrick would be Mishin. Although it sounds so doubtfully, but last season Mishin said many warm words about Patrick and his technique. And I think that Chan is needed just strong technical coach to put all the jumps. Patrick may have perfect trantion and be artistic like no one else, but new trends are such that all depends on the jumps. And although I don't quite agree with it, I can't deny that it looks really exciting, fascinating and a little bit scaring.
And of course I want to see Patrick's 4C very-very much.
 
vivley said:
Interesting. I didn't even know that these fics existed until a few days ago, when I was searching Googlefor news on Patrick. It must have been a slow day because updates to a fan fiction site came up in the top 5 results, and so did our fan fest here, BTW. These types of stories are considered RFPs (real person fiction) and are banned by FanFiction.net. ArchiveofOurOwn.org has a section dedicated to figure skating fan fiction.
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Yes, and I don't think too))
But we have a lot of good fanfiction about them. Somtimes story so good and touching that make me want to cry. And there is one absolutely gorgeous fic about Patrick's and Yuzuru's romance, which began at the OG'14. I read it three times))
 
Mishin? Just no! That would be selling out. Mishin is all about jumps, often watering down the choreography of his skaters. Patrick collaborates closely and diligently with his choreographers to perfect his programs for both artistic and technical contents, going back to them during the season if necessary. He will not disrespect choreographers and skating. I have not seen any evidence of him compromising his goals and principles and don't expect him to now. He has medals and titles galore and is now skating with purpose and integrity for personal aspirations.

Lambiel may be an interesting choice. Secretly, I hope for Browning.
 
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Violet Bliss said:
Mishin? Just no! That would be selling out. Mishin is all about jumps, often watering down the choreography of his skaters. Patrick collaborates closely and diligently with his choreographers to perfect his programs for both artistic and technical contents, going back to them during the season if necessary. He will not disrespect choreographers and skating. I have not seen any evidence of him compromising his goals and principles and don't expect him to now. He has medals and titles galore and is now skating with purpose and integrity for personal aspirations.

Lambert may be an interesting choice. Secretly, I hope for Browning.
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Lambert? Well, now I say, just no. Lambert can be a good choreographer, but not the coach. Patrick needed a coach. Good, strong coach.
And who says about the choreography? Mishin can help him put the jumps - agree, sometimes Patrick have problems with quads. He wants to win, even he don't say about it, and for this he need quads. And Mishin wouldn't prevent his choreography, just pull his technique.

Bwowning? I like him, but I doubt that this is possible
 
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