How long will Hanyu's records last?

[Mao88]

Yuzuru Hanyu was recently recognised by Guinness for his 3 world record scores (short program, free skate, & combined total).

However, Hanyu suffered a lisfranc ligament injury at the beginning of last season which caused considerable pain in his left foot. Apparently, this got worse in January 2016, and by the time of the 2016 World Championships, he had had to change his programs (performing a 4S instead of 4T) to reduce the strain on his left foot. He then took several months off, and only got back into training for the new season in June 2016. Skaters who begin training for the new season late often struggle during the first half of the season playing 'catch up'. Sometimes, they never catch up until the following season. These kind of injuries can take quite a while to recover from. Whilst Hanyu went back into training in June, it will have been a while before he got back in to full training. Accordingly, I doubt we will see any record breaking scores from Hanyu during this season. Nevertheless, I think he can get back to somewhere near his best in time to regain the world title.

Hanyu states in this article:-

At first I couldn't execute jumps with single spins, but they are nearly back to normal. I'm aiming to up my difficulty level while getting a higher completion rate in order to better the performance I had at the Finals each time.

Hence, I think if Hanyu is going to break his own world records, then I reckon it will be at least the Olympic season (2017/18) before he is able to do so. I don't see anybody but Hanyu challenging those records anytime soon. And the records may even stand for all time should a new system of judging/scoring ever finally materialise

Hence, how long will Hanyu's records last?

 

[HanDomi]

This records should be reserved for complete programs that blend all skills, jumps, skating skills, choreo, transitions, spins and so on. which he did at NHK , GPF and in SP at Worlds. But judges doesn't seem to care and now everyone is getting even the same transitions scores as he does, despite he does them in and out of quads and all other jumps and others of his top rivals not.

I don't think injuiry will hold him back and I expect at least 1 record from him this season, as he is propably putting quad loops in

 

[sneakers]

it will stay until Uno or Shimada breaks his record.

 

[sunnystars]

it will stay until Uno or Shimada breaks his record.

Let's talk when Shoma gets an actual jumping coach.

Sounds kinda mean but my god, the way he lands his jumps (esp. that "quad" flip) scares me. Praying for his knees and ankles. [emoji53]

 

[sneakers]

Let's talk when Shoma gets an actual jumping coach.

Sounds kinda mean but my god, the way he lands his jumps (esp. that "quad" flip) scares me. Praying for his knees and ankles. [emoji53]

well most Japanese have that bendy soft knees. Its not much only about technique.

 

[Mango]

The closest one as of last season was Javier Fernandez with the Worlds FS.

But Yuzuru can break his records this year with increased TES with the quad loop. How clean he'll skate is up to him. I think he's realized the more he trains in Canada, the better he does internationally. So if he returns to Canada soon he'll be on his way to having a solid time on the GP once again, despite the 2.5 months off the ice.

 

[mcq]

Hence, how long will Hanyu's records last?

They plan to change the scoring system after 2018 oly lol, so... by then perhaps?

Besides, which record are you referring to? SP, FS or all? Breaking 330 will be hard because the maximum score for that layout is 339+ (yes, he is 9 pts away from having the maximum score). Which means someone has to land cleanly 5 quads, 3 3A, and the rest of the triples, have perfect GOE for the quads (hanyu has 5 perfect 3 GOE for his jumps; 4 quads and 1 3A) and almost perfect spins (his spins in the SP has almost perfect GOE too) and nearly perfect PCS (98.5!!!).
Breaking only the SP or only the FP seems more likely, but total is harder (feels like Yuna Kim records for total score has been around since forever)

Fernandez is the closest of course, but I really doubt the judges would let him break those records with his current layout even if he is clean clean clean (as we can see, even at worlds he is clean but still not touching 219). Adding to that, he has yet to be clean at both his SP and FP. Things will be different if Javi add another quad or something. :think:
Uno : maybe, but i don't think he will hit perfect GOE for his jumps due to obvious reasons and it is not like he has super difficult entry/exit or that his jump is super huuuge. But who knows, this kid might do 7-8 quads in his program in a year or two so ...
Boyang : no, his PCS and GOE will not catch hanyu in a year or two.
Chan : he can, but he won't. Because he seems to be not interested in increasing the tech content of his layout.
Hanyu himself? No idea. He planned to add the 4Lo so it is probable that he will break it again if he's clean clean clean. However, due to injury after injury I will not have high expectation and I just wish that he stay healthy until worlds and peak at the right times (Feb to April). He is always injured at worlds. So for me it is more important for him to stay healthy until worlds than aiming to break another WR.

 

[HanDomi]

and as mcq up here mentioned Hanyu should focus on peaking and staying healthy at Worlds, something is really wrong there that he is getting serious injuiries year after year before Worlds.

 

[MaxSwagg]

The closest one as of last season was Javier Fernandez with the Worlds FS.

But Yuzuru can break his records this year with increased TES with the quad loop. How clean he'll skate is up to him. I think he's realized the more he trains in Canada, the better he does internationally. So if he returns to Canada soon he'll be on his way to having a solid time on the GP once again, despite the 2.5 months off the ice.

Well, we can't really go off of this. The period from NHK to GPF he was in Canada by himself and he arguably skated better at GPF.

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This records should be reserved for complete programs that blend all skills, jumps, skating skills, choreo, transitions, spins and so on. which he did at NHK , GPF and in SP at Worlds. But judges doesn't seem to care and now everyone is getting even the same transitions scores as he does, despite he does them in and out of quads and all other jumps and others of his top rivals not.

I don't think injuiry will hold him back and I expect at least 1 record from him this season, as he is propably putting quad loops in

I completely agree. Judges seem to give high marks regardless now every since NHK. High scores that arguably aren't deserved.

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well most Japanese have that bendy soft knees. Its not much only about technique.

Lololol His knees aren't the problem. His jumping technique as a whole is the problem.

 

[mcq]

Well we will see but until 2018 maybe it will stand

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Jin could break these records if he improves artistically.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I could see Uno breaking one of the records... maaaybe Jin.

 

[Rissa]

Jin could break these records if he improves artistically.

In two years they're changing the rules. I don't think he can improve enough in just two years. Uno's more likely. If he gets those jumps stable his TES might equal Boyang's but his PCS will be higher.

We're looking for a guy whose PCS are currently in the 9s and the ability to jump at least two quads. So, Javier?

How many guys are capable of 3 different quads at the moment? Boyang, Shoma, probably Yuzuru himself, anyone else?

 

[4everchan]

3 different quads doesn't mean that the skaters will repeat them though.... I think some people mentioned that Yuzuru would stick to performing 3 quads (all different) but not 4.... while some skaters who only have two quads repeat both of them.... Yuzuru's money jump is the 3A so for sure, he will repeat that jump.... but someone else could opt to do things differently... For instance, I wonder why Boyang doesn't do 4Lz-3T and 4Lz in the long.... that's his best quad... probably it's too tiring? but he could do that and also do 4T-2t and 4T.... then he would have the potential for a fifth quad with the 4S.....

Kevin Reynolds dropped the 4Loop but attempted 4 quads this summer in his LP. Of course, he is not at the same PCS level as the top guns... but that's another way to bring on TES, maxing quad repetitions. I think his layout would include this : 4T-3T-2L, 4T, 4S-2T, 4S, 3A, 3LZ, 3F, 3S-3L... so being able to add a 3Loop to one of the combo can also bring in some much needed points.


In the end, the rule changes, tweaking of base values and elements, and the different events and judging panels make it a bit funny when we think about these records... they are not absolute records like in track and field for instance.... Look at Yuna's SP record which is still around, because it features one extra element (spiral step sew).

 

[HanDomi]

Kevin Reynolds dropped the 4Loop but attempted 4 quads this summer in his LP. Of course, he is not at the same PCS level as the top guns... but that's another way to bring on TES, maxing quad repetitions. I think his layout would include this : 4T-3T-2L, 4T, 4S-2T, 4S, 3A, 3LZ, 3F, 3S-3L... so being able to add a 3Loop to one of the combo can also bring in some much needed points.

I guess Kevin is doing this 4 quads to not be doing 2x3A. I can only guess if he could repeat one of this quads one more time he would choose it instead of 3A that he has remaining in his program

 

[4everchan]

I guess Kevin is doing this 4 quads to not be doing 2x3A. I can only guess if he could repeat one of this quads one more time he would choose it instead of 3A that he has remaining in his program

I'd do the same if i had a weaker jump, especially if it's not worth as much as the one that is more consistent.

Look at Lambiel, who would often just do a 2A but could land 4T

 

[mrrice]

I'd do the same if i had a weaker jump, especially if it's not worth as much as the one that is more consistent.

Look at Lambiel, who would often just do a 2A but could land 4T

I don't think I ever saw Stephan do a second 3A. I just watched his Flamenco LP and he only attempts 1. Here's his Flamenco LP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDNXgzKHT9I

 

[4everchan]

even in the SP sometimes he would do a 2a but you know, i forgive everything to Lambiel.... to me, his elegance and spins make up for a lot

I don't think I ever saw Stephan do a second 3A. I just watched his Flamenco LP and he only attempts 1.

 

[mrrice]

even in the SP sometimes he would do a 2a but you know, i forgive everything to Lambiel.... to me, his elegance and spins make up for a lot

Okaaaaaaay!! Talk about good lookin'. By the way, are there any clips of Kevin's programs for this season? I feel like I haven't seen him in a thousand years.

 

[4everchan]

check his fan fest

Okaaaaaaay!! Talk about good lookin'. By the way, are there any clips of Kevin's programs for this season? I feel like I haven't seen him in a thousand years.