Did Kaetlyn Osmond make history?

[mrrice]

History for what?

Well, I think she could make Canadian History for a couple of things. Joannie Rochette only has 1 World Medal. A Silver in 2009. Even Canadian Hero Liz Manely only has 1 World Medal, also a Silver. If Kaetlyn were to win 2 World medals, regardless of color, she'll make Canadian Ladies History and that's a huge deal. After all, I'd care much more about having the respect of my countrymen than anyone else in the World.

Check that......Karen Magnussen has an Olympic Silver Medal and a World Medal in EVERY Color......

 

[Osmond4gold]

Everything anyone does at any particular time is history for THEM.
So yes, Kaetlyn Osmond made her own personal history at the GPF, but so did everyone else in the world at that time, wherever they were.

And set 3 Canadian women's records in the process (best SP, LP and total scores).

 

[Daniel1998]

And set 3 Canadian women's records in the process (best SP, LP and total scores).

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't Gabby score 139 at a recent competition in Canada? Or does that score not count?

 

[Osmond4gold]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't Gabby score 139 at a recent competition in Canada? Or does that score not count?

Many do not consider domestic comps. scores as records. Kaetlyn's GP scores were the best scores achieved at an international event.

 

[Daniel1998]

Many do not consider domestic comps. scores as records. Kaetlyn's GP score was the best score at an international event.

Ah, ok.
Skate Canada on their website says they calculate their records based on competitions including Skate Canada Challenge, so they'd probably have Gabby's LP as number one, though Kaetlyn owns TS record anyway.
But yes, I get what you mean.

 

[withwings]

I know it might seem insignificant, but she scored 75.54 at the GPF. Is she the first female skater to do so? I can't remember any time another female skater scored 75. There have been a lot of close 74's, we all remember the 2014 Olympics, Yulia, and even Satoko at this competition. Evgenia has cored 76, Carolina and Elizaveta have scored 77, and Mao and Yuna have scored 78, but I don't think anyone else has scored 75!!

Do you have enough courage to say what exactly you wanted to say, to say it directly?? I hope that your intentions was not to provoke negativity against Osmond, though it would be understandable, because she undeniably has some extraordinary qualities in her skating and personality, too.

 

[Mathman]

Check that......Karen Magnussen has an Olympic Silver Medal and a World Medal in EVERY Color......

Barbara Ann Scott: two world championships and an Olympic gold medal.

She is also the only Canadian skater to win Europeans (twice). The city of Ottawa gave her a new car for winning in 1947, but she had to return it to retain her amateur standing. When she retired after the 1948 Olympics they gave the same car back to her.

 

[mrrice]

Question #1 When were Canadians allowed to go Europeans? I have to admit that only looked as far back as the 60's, so I never got Barbara Ann Scott. Maybe I missed her name because I looked up Canadian Female figure Skaters and don't remember seeing her name. I'm going to have another look. Thanks for the information.

 

[Rissa]

She's Canadian... so, automatically people will hate on her. :sarcasm:

She also a threat, so by default that also means people will hate on her and dissect her skating to the nines.

But she just keeps doing her thing.

Right on par with the petty Russian "woe is me, everyone hates us" victimization card.

I've been here for 2 years and in my experience the only skaters who are derided because of their nationality are the Russians. Certainly not Canadians.

 

[Osmond4gold]

I've been here for 2 years and in my experience the only skaters who are derided because of their nationality are the Russians. Certainly not Canadians.

To be honest, the main reason I joined GS was due to a certain Poster who derided a Canadian skater who had a natural ability, charisma and dreams. Fact is, I coined myself here after repeated attacks against the same skater.

Yes, there were a few years that the said Poster enjoyed his/her place in the sun due to circumstances, not of the skaters' doing...but look at us now

Osmond4gold everyone!

 

[mrrice]

I've been here for 2 years and in my experience the only skaters who are derided because of their nationality are the Russians. Certainly not Canadians.

Moria....I don't know how long I've been here but sometimes it feels like a thousand years. When your favorite skaters are Maria Butyrskaya, and Patrick Chan. You get it from BOTH sides. I don't want to upset anyone however, The meanest and most harsh words I ever heard were from a group called "The MK Forum." They were serious defenders of all things kwan, and Gawd Forbid you were happy for perpetual second or third place finishers Maria Butyrskaya or Irina Slutskaya. They would stalk you and say terrible things about you. They actually told me to "Go back to Russia" if wanted to cheer for Plushy, Maria, and Irina. When I told them I was from Germany and had lived on bases in several countries around the world, they eventually stopped. I say, like whichever skater you like and let the rest roll off your back. These skaters travel all over the world and most of them are well rounded, multi-lingual, extremely nice people.

 

[Mathman]

Question #1 When were Canadians allowed to go Europeans?

I believe that skaters of any nation could compete in Europeans up until 1948. Maribel Vincent of the U.S. won a bronze medal in 1934. After World War II the skating establishments of many European countries were in disarray, giving North Americans an edge. Euros were not held from 1940 to 1946, and when they resumed in 1947 Canadian Barbara Ann Scott got gold and American Gretchen Merrill won silver. In 1948 both the ladies' and the men's champions were North American (Scott and Dick Button). After that they made it for European skaters only.

 

[Rissa]

Moria....I don't know how long I've been here but sometimes it feels like a thousand years. When your favorite skaters are Maria Butyrskaya, and Patrick Chan. You get it from BOTH sides. I don't want to upset anyone however, The meanest and most harsh words I ever heard were from a group called "The MK Forum." They were serious defenders of all things kwan, and Gawd Forbid you were happy for perpetual second or third place finishers Maria Butyrskaya or Irina Slutskaya. They would stalk you and say terrible things about you. They actually told me to "Go back to Russia" if wanted to cheer for Plushy, Maria, and Irina. When I told them I was from Germany and had lived on bases in several countries around the world, they eventually stopped. I say, like whichever skater you like and let the rest roll off your back. These skaters travel all over the world and most of them are well rounded, multi-lingual, extremely nice people.

Why are you're talking about the past while I'm obviously talking about the present?

Besides, isn't that what I said? That Russians are derided because of their nationality? I'm pretty sure this is what I said.

It's not like Canadian skaters don't get their share of dislike, but it's not because of their nationality. I myself often complain that Patrick's boring, and Katelyn's nothing special but their being Canadian has nothing to do with that. Maybe there was a time when Canadians were being disliked because of being Canadian, I wouldn't know, but after a few thousand posts here it is not so now. I've never seen anybody going "Canadians this and that, Canadians, always, all Canadians are like that, Canadians ruin the sport, he/she is Canadian so he/she's awful" etc. All I've seen is legitimate - and not so so legitimate - complaining about the skaters' style and tech but never anything nationalistic.

CSG wants to be a victim of anti-Canadian prejudice, but to my eyes there isn't any. His "people hate on Katelyn because she's Canadian" is pure bullsht. Frankly, I haven't even seen any evidence people hate on her. She's not everyone's cup of tea, she gets the same sort of criticism any skater gets. That's pretty much it. CSG should perhaps realize there are hundreds other reasons not to be impressed by a skater other than "Canadian".

 

[Mathman]

The meanest and most harsh words I ever heard were from a group called "The MK Forum." They were serious defenders of all things kwan, and Gawd Forbid you were happy for perpetual second or third place finishers Maria Butyrskaya or Irina Slutskaya.

Ah, the dedicated fan boards. There was also Tara World (aka Terror World) and Sashafans. Better not go there if you like anyone else. i think the largest and most active were the Yagudin fan boards.

The MK Forum still exists, although it is down to a dozen or so active participants. We keep up with Michelle's post-skating career. In the olden days the majority of the most unruly combatants were children. Now .. um ... not so much.

 

[Mathman]

It's not like Canadian skaters don't get their share of dislike, but it's not because of their nationality.

I think that the anti-Canadian perception got started when Patrick Chan was out-pointing his rivals and winning championships despite multiple falls. Some of the outrage spilled over into nationality. (The Canadian skating federation was influential in devising the original code of points, David Dore was behind the scenes, etc.)

 

[4everchan]

^^

there is definitely, and especially this year, a trend to dismiss Canadian skaters results based on the "supposed power of the Canadian Federation" It started in the Challenger Series, culminated in Skate Canada and other Grand Prix... and it's everywhere on the forum.... "Chanada" and "Chanadian" were also used in many posts earlier this year, and not in an endearing way.... So to Moria or others who haven't noticed it, well, good for you. I have certainly felt that Canadians were targeted this year, for the first time since I joined the forum which is 2015. I am sure they were when Patrick was at the top of the podium as well...

For instance, many people have complained about the Canadian federation as well in other circumstances : accusing them of forcing skaters to withdraw from worlds to give their place to someone else... accusing them of not supporting the ice dance teams, leading to many splits and retirements... etc... when in fact, the Canadian federation does its best with little funding they have got...

 

[ice coverage]

... For instance, many people have complained about the Canadian federation as well in other circumstances : accusing them of forcing skaters to withdraw from worlds to give their place to someone else... .

I will flatter myself that you have me in mind (as one of the "many people") regarding this case.

But ... I (and I do not think I am alone) was not part of any supposed "trend" of picking on Skate Canada.
I would have been equally unhappy if ANY federation had given the appearance of doing so.
I had never had any previous reason to think badly of Skate Canada, so its own press release (with its deafening silence on who initiated the withdrawal) was indeed disillusioning.

I like lots of Canadian skaters: Tessa/Scott, Liam, Patrick, Kaetlyn, Maddie/Zhao Kai :sad4:, to name a few.
I had to endure ridicule on GS for being an American who openly preferred V/M.
I was a rare voice standing up for KMT many times in multiple threads when she kept getting criticized for her career choices.

If you're going to imply that I am inherently anti-Canada because of one instance of questioning Skate Canada (with reasonable cause, IMO), then it would be just as fair to apply the same criterion to Canadian members of GS -- and to pigeonhole some of them as anti-Canada too (although they [like me] have shown lots of support for Canada as well).

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ETA: Happy New Year to all members of GS, whether Canadian or non-Canadian.​

 

[4everchan]

Ice coverage,

I was not pointing fingers at anyone in particular in my comments... simply saying there were threads focused on these topics exclusively were Skate Canada as a federation was treated dismissively. I see you would have stood up the same regardless of the federation that's very honorable but some posters wouldn't and of course, I have seen you contribute in many Canadian skaters' fan fest so I would never dare to say you have an anti-Canadian bias

so please, no need to feel you are a target of 4everchan's patriotic stance!

BTW

2017 marks the 150th anniversary of the Canadian Confederation!

May it coincide with lots of success for the maple leaf skaters!

I will flatter myself that you have me in mind (as one of the "many people") regarding this case.

But ... I (and I do not think I am alone) was not part of any supposed "trend" of picking on Skate Canada.
I would have been equally unhappy if ANY federation had given the appearance of doing so.
I had never had any previous reason to think badly of Skate Canada, so its own press release (with its deafening silence on who initiated the withdrawal) was indeed disillusioning.

I like lots of Canadian skaters: Tessa/Scott, Liam, Patrick, Kaetlyn, Maddie/Zhao Kai :sad4:, to name a few.
I had to endure ridicule on GS for being an American who openly preferred V/M.
I was a rare voice standing up for KMT many times in multiple threads when she kept getting criticized for her career choices.

If you're going to imply that I am inherently anti-Canada because of one instance of questioning Skate Canada (with reasonable cause, IMO), then it would be just as fair to apply the same criterion to Canadian members of GS -- and to pigeonhole some of them as anti-Canada too (although they [like me] have shown lots of support for Canada as well).

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ETA: Happy New Year to all members of GS, whether Canadian or non-Canadian.​

ETA : I bolded a sentence in your post to confirm as even as an American, you have been ridiculed when cheering for Canadian skaters.... and mind you, you were cheering for the cream of the cream...so even yourself are admitting that the anti Canada feeling does exist.

 

[ice coverage]

... ETA : I bolded a sentence in your post to confirm as even as an American, you have been ridiculed when cheering for Canadian skaters.... and mind you, you were cheering for the cream of the cream...so even yourself are admitting that the anti Canada feeling does exist.

No, you are misunderstanding me. At least in my situation, I did not perceive anti-Canada feeling regarding Tessa/Scott.

I was ridiculed b/c some pro-U.S. members of GS could not comprehend or tolerate that in the face of a close rivalry, an American could prefer anyone other than the American choice.
Those members were hung up on an American not automatically having complete allegiance to Americans.
Hypothetically: If D/W and P/C were rivals (and V/M left the picture, running away to join the circus ), those members would ridicule me if I preferred P/C.

(For the record: I prefer V/M, but I did/do like D/W and I do like P/C. I adore the Shibs, but Tessa and Scott are my absolute favorites.)

Ice coverage, ...

so please, no need to feel you are a target of 4everchan's patriotic stance! ...

Appreciate your reassurance, 4everchan .

I do believe that I am not alone in forming separate opinions (whether positive or not) on separate topics related to Skate Canada and Canadians -- the same way that I like to form separate opinions (whether positive or not) on separate topics about the federation and skaters of my own country or any other country.

... BTW

2017 marks the 150th anniversary of the Canadian Confederation!

May it coincide with lots of success for the maple leaf skaters!

:yay:

 

[4everchan]

^^ thanks for clarifying... if it's not an anti-Canadian bias, then for US posters to not understand a fellow American can appreciate skaters from other nations, well... then it's sort of an exclusive pro-USA bias... which is not better at all? Is that what you mean? I like skaters from Canada obviously but I like many skaters from many other countries ... that's what makes skating beautiful!

in any case, Kaetlyn has silenced her detractors this year! YAY!!!! Go Kaetlyn!