I don't think skating second (by luck not because he was "made to") caused him to skate poorly.
2017 Worlds Men's SP
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I don't think skating second (by luck not because he was "made to") caused him to skate poorly.
Yuzuru's short program is amazing. It's a pity about the combo, but the performance overall was very good. I realize that the 4Lo is harder than the 4S, hence why he attempts it first--but there's a reason that most skaters attempt their combo first in the short program. So that if there is anything wrong with the first jump, they have a second attempt to complete a combo.
Javier's short program is well-choreographed, but I really wish he had brought something different to Worlds. Great jumps, great performance. Somewhat shaky first spin and he also slipped up during a turn.
Javier's short program is well-choreographed, but I really wish he had brought something different to Worlds. Great jumps, great performance. Somewhat shaky first spin and he also slipped up during a turn.
How INCREDIBLE that Jason received the highest score ever without a quad. That is a testimony to his skill and artistry.
Nathan has a big ( >15 points) advantage in base value so he could definitely catch Uno and Chan.
Yeah the quality of pure skating from some of the guys in the first few groups amazes me. Really not any less enjoyable than the likes of Chan and Brown.
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Sorry, I must disagree.
It's all over these boards how much I love Deniss and Misha. And also how much I like Jason.
Jason deserves every single point he gets in PCS and GOE. Nobody does it better. Deniss and Misha may be "small-fed" undermarked, but Jason is NOT overmarked.
And my pre-Worlds "non podium" dream team: Jason, Deniss, Misha and even Julian
all going to the free!Shoma had a beautiful short program. I loved it very much. Not sure how Javi has managed such high skating skill score or high GOE on his jumps. I don't think he fulfills enough bullet points to get +3s. His jumps are good and all, but usually +3 jumps tend to have good, unique transitions in and out of jumps and he has neither. That being said, he should probably be the leader, just not 5 points ahead of Shoma. Although I guess 5 points in men's skating is next to nothing.
What?? Nathan is doing six now? I know he is repeating the toe, what other one is he repeating?
He's actually repeating his 4Lz and 4F and doing his 4S and 4T in the back half.
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Still there're unfairy huge difference between Shoma's and Javis GOE though. I don't even talk about quality of Yuzuru's 3A.
And this -1 deduction from nowhere. And how is that possible that he's is just 1 point ahead of Nathan with his shaky landings, lack of presentation and who has just fell on his face. Can't even imagine Hanyu's psychological condition right now.
Yep but it's catchy, so much charisma and could work. Anyway I hope the new season will be way better for him.
And for everyones sake just take this 4S+3T away from his programs!!
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15 point base value edge on whom? Chan maybe. No way in hell he has even close to that on Uno, especialy since Uno added a 4th quad didnt he. No he will never catch 7 points up on Uno if Uno goes clean, not a chance. Yes he might catch and pass Chan if both go clean with his huge base value edge.
Now I realize the proposed scenario (everyone going clean) will never happen, the only reason I mention it is more a scenario they make similar number of mistakes. Nathan would need both Uno and Hanyu to make more mistakes than he makes to beat either one considering how far ahead Uno is now, and considering clean or with the same mistakes Hanyu for sure beats Chen.
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Culturally, especially with respect to figure skating culture.
For that matter, is Russia really in Europe?
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Well he competes at Euros, so I guess you are right. And yes, culturally, especially with respect to figure skating Russia is in Europe.
....you're kidding. That being said, his Lz/F seem much more stable than his 4S and maybe even his 4T...
Does anyone have his updated program lay out? Only problem for me that I foresee is that Lz and F take quite a long time to set up and is telegraphed into. a 4S and a 4T you can disguise and incorporate better. I fear his program will be even more filled with empty space than usual.
I must be the only one that really doesn't really like or get this season's SP. I think 2014s was much better. Likewise, I think Chopin was much better too. This season's is a little too much for me.. from the costume to the incorporation of a lot of voice lines.
Sorry, I must disagree.
It's all over these boards how much I love Deniss and Misha. And also how much I like Jason.
Jason deserves every single point he gets in PCS and GOE. Nobody does it better. Deniss and Misha may be "small-fed" undermarked, but Jason is NOT overmarked.
And my pre-Worlds "non podium" dream team: Jason, Deniss, Misha and even Julian
I don't even think Jason was overmarked. Just that gorgeous skaters from small federations, often if not always, get underscored.
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Why does Hanyu keep going for 4S+3T instead of 4T+3T? It makes no sense. He's the best skater out there and just throws points away by trying an element he isn't as good with.
Fernandez was great but VERY overscored. He has the weakest spins of all the guys out there (and didn't even get punished for traveling like crazy on his flying spin) and he tripped on a basic crossover, which needs to be a deduction on his skating skills mark for sure. One of the judges gave him a +3 GOE for his combo spin, which is incomprehensibly stupid. His jump combo, axel, and footwork sequence do not deserve +3 and he got them across the board pretty much. I do really love his footwork sequence choreographically but the quality of his actual bladework is not +3 level.
Nathan Chen, still overscored, but I guess it could be worse. He isn't getting enough of a deduction on his Quad Flip for lack of preceding footwork and his PCS are too high. He somehow got his highest component on interpretation, which is easily his weakest component! Nonsensical.
Boyang Jin was held down on PCS for no reason. His skating skills are very good and he gave a lively, engaging performance. His movements are definitely not the most refined and stretched out, but he did a very good job. His PCS should have been above Nathan's.
Deniss Vasiljevs was great. He was of course underscored since he isn't a big-name skater and doesn't have a quad, but that was one of the best performances here.
Shoma Uno was the best here for me. He's an all-around excellent skater and gave the most refined performance of all, showing better skating skills and spins than Fernandez.
Very good competition!
Fernandez was great but VERY overscored. He has the weakest spins of all the guys out there (and didn't even get punished for traveling like crazy on his flying spin) and he tripped on a basic crossover, which needs to be a deduction on his skating skills mark for sure. One of the judges gave him a +3 GOE for his combo spin, which is incomprehensibly stupid. His jump combo, axel, and footwork sequence do not deserve +3 and he got them across the board pretty much. I do really love his footwork sequence choreographically but the quality of his actual bladework is not +3 level.
Nathan Chen, still overscored, but I guess it could be worse. He isn't getting enough of a deduction on his Quad Flip for lack of preceding footwork and his PCS are too high. He somehow got his highest component on interpretation, which is easily his weakest component! Nonsensical.
Boyang Jin was held down on PCS for no reason. His skating skills are very good and he gave a lively, engaging performance. His movements are definitely not the most refined and stretched out, but he did a very good job. His PCS should have been above Nathan's.
Deniss Vasiljevs was great. He was of course underscored since he isn't a big-name skater and doesn't have a quad, but that was one of the best performances here.
Shoma Uno was the best here for me. He's an all-around excellent skater and gave the most refined performance of all, showing better skating skills and spins than Fernandez.
Very good competition!
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Which specific ones do you think are particularly outrageous? Do you mean GOE or PCS?
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