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2017-2018 Programs by Discipline

Results of David Wilson and Yuzurus team-work wasn't so successful yes but Wilson is a very good choreographer. He has lots of beautiful projects with other skaters. And maybe years after that they could put on more extra with Hanyu. Be ready to another warhorse tough :laugh:
But as long as Yuzurus SP will be created by Buttle I'm expecting something special from them. Don't disappoint me please!!

NoNameFace said:
for me it's a bit of closed circle, without option to get out unless something happens...Judges - looking thorough the years - are ones seeming to prefer some kind of 'safe, stable convention' regarding musical choices/innovation, 'out there' factor in choreographies, in general - non-standard approach towards material presented. This 'standard' is 'imposed without voiced/ruled obligation' I'd say - as the material/choreography choices are areas not fully regulated/imposed by rules so strict for technical merit (elements), judges seem to find their way to 'control' those by being more favourable' towards certain musical choices and choreographies more 'conventional' than not. At least that's often my impression...

The good example of judges' confusion about material was visible for me this season with Gilles/Poirier SD. It was Disco-themed SD where the pattern was Blues - aside even from the fact that their execution regarding that particular dance was not always the best, judges seemed not knowing what to do with that dance. It was totally out of their musical/choreographical and general convention 'comfort zone', what they probably expected. Judges look like they are more comfortable and at ease when something from 'FS canon' is used: classical piece, warhorse, dramatic piece, the exceptions are when you are rock solid in execution or consistent - therefore I see that all is kind of 'normal'.

For me, it really seems like judges do prefer to see things they're already familiar with, originality, boldness in musical choices, quirk and 'out there' factors are risky, not often used by skaters due to that 'pattern' practised by judges and from reasonable standpoint - for me this is understandable. However, it's a pity we don't see often something unusual/original or when we see it, it is not very well received/rewarded.
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Yes, maybe judges are really comfortable with judging "usual" programs. Somehow they could compare it with the same one that they watched before, or as you say paying attention to the performance itself without being in confuse with something brand new. But I think mentioned by you ID more involve with music than FS. In FS If you are good with TEC side, good with skating skills and performance you will be loved even with something unusual for Olympics.

I'm not trying to say that skaters should do completely different things. If they won't taking their chances there are plenty other classic music pieces for example. There's no need to go with the same musics year after year.

I think it's all about skaters and their teams will. They don't want to risk, or don't want to waste time with new type of choreography, or just considering this cliché music pieces as some kind of lucky charms. But for me it's nothing but coincidence when someone getting an Olympic success by skating with one of those warhorses.

I always would like to see something more special, something that could stick in minds as his/her/their music.

Jaana said:
I don´t believe the judges mind the music. Besides, there is a reason why those warhorses have become warhorses :laugh:...
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I don't think so. Even here are so many people fed up with same pieces again and again why judges shouldn't?
I mean they are also human beings with their own preferences.
 
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we had a thread talking about music like rite of spring (i think it was called dissonant music for skating)....

those curious about that could look over there.
 
irriya said:
rumor said Jeffrey would do choreography for SP, and Shae-Lynn and DW are fighting for the LP. They might do the choreography, and Hanyu would make the decision after seeing both programs
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Battle Royale of the Choreographers. Who survives the bloodbath in the end? :devil:

Cue Jeffrey Buttle laughing quietly, safe in his ivory tower.
 
4everchan said:
we had a thread talking about music like rite of spring (i think it was called dissonant music for skating)....

those curious about that could look over there.
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Thank you, I still can't imagine how this music should be choreographed as a skating routine.
 
If DW and SLB will each be choreographing a program for Hanyu and only one gets picked, I hope the program that doesn't end up getting picked is instead tailored to someone else. Skaters ditch programs all the time, but it seems unusual to intentionally have a choreographer create something that you intend not to use. They're professionals - it's not a reality tv show.
 
andromache said:
If DW and SLB will each be choreographing a program for Hanyu and only one gets picked, I hope the program that doesn't end up getting picked is instead tailored to someone else. Skaters ditch programs all the time, but it seems unusual to intentionally have a choreographer create something that you intend not to use. They're professionals - it's not a reality tv show.
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agreed, yes - if there is a 'rivarly' of choreographies for certain skater, they are going to be 'tailored' and 'reflected' on that skater, his/her style of movement, however I do think that 'musical instinct', experience as choreographer and understanding of skating rules/how they should 'work' inside of choreography, with music will make both these programs accessible to use 'ditched' one for other skater, with necessary amendments. And besides - I respect both Wilson's and Bourne's works so it would be interesting the 'other' conception in action, too. Wish Yuzuru would be allowed to vary between FS if both will be brilliant and fitting to him:laugh:

and 4.000 posts :hb: YAY:points: YASSS:cool14:
 
andromache said:
If DW and SLB will each be choreographing a program for Hanyu and only one gets picked, I hope the program that doesn't end up getting picked is instead tailored to someone else. Skaters ditch programs all the time, but it seems unusual to intentionally have a choreographer create something that you intend not to use. They're professionals - it's not a reality tv show.
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Well in interview, BO said both Javier and Hanyu had their favorite music they saved for Olympic season. My guessing is that SLB and DW would do the choreography on that same music, and Hanyu's team would decide which one to go then. The choreography fight source is from Japaneses Gossip news. But personally I felt it might be highly possible, since Jeffery is going to have SOI for quite a time, making me feel that he already had a plan for Hanyu:rock:
 
If the choreographer battle rumor is true (a big if), I wouldn't construe it as Yuzuru taking advantage of DW and SLB. It's unusual for choreographers to compete for the attentions of a skater, as opposed to the other way round, but clearly the opportunity to choreograph for the defending Oly champ is one they're willing to fight for. He's giving them both a chance, and I'm sure is able to compensate them for their time. Personally, I would give the advantage to Shae, because she knows him better and he developed his artistry with her. But I'm not against Yuzu leaving no stone unturned in his quest for repeat gold. And in my eyes, David has partially redeemed himself for some uninspired programs with Notte Stellata.
 
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