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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

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Interspectator said:
We talk about it...then talk about it...and talk about it some more! :biggrin:I think...no, because that's the way he's leaning at the moment. But who knows?? :dbana:
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Honestly I hope he will go for the 5 quads route only if he adds the 4 lutz... still I too I'm skeptical if he'll show us the lutz in competition next year...
 
jace93 said:
Honestly I hope he will go for the 5 quads route only if he adds the 4 lutz... still I too I'm skeptical if he'll show us the lutz in competition next year...
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I actually think he's more likely to go for 5 quads if he doesn't do the 4Lz because there's not much improvement in terms of BV in that case unless he adds a fifth quad (and removes a 3A). And/or a 4Lo-3T combo.

But if he does add 4Lz, he can do 4 different quads and 2 3As, plus two -3T combos, which is a big BV increase without changing his layout at all except for replacing the 4S with the 4Lz and the 3A2T with a 3A3T. And he can still throw in a 5th quad without sacrificing the two 3As if he wants or if the 4Lz fails.

But it all depends on whether he'll seriously train the 4Lz during the off season.
 
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Yeah, doing a five quad program without a new quad is not really worth it point wise. It is only an around two point increase since he would have to remove a 3A. Unless he does 4Lo-combo, but a 4Lo-combo is supposed to be really difficult from what I've heard so I don't think it is very likely. However if he manages to do 3A3Lo he would get a significant BV-raise even without a new quad. The BV this season was about 103,43, if he exchanges the 3A2T combo (9,80 without second-half bonus, 10,78 with) for 3A3Lo (13,60, with bonus: 14,96) his BV would be around 107,61. To put in into perspective Chen's 6 quad program at Worlds had a BV at around 112.

So if he is not adding a quad, I think it would be better to either keep his current layout and focus on going clean and getting crazy high GOEs (as he has the ability to do :biggrin:), cause doing five quads with one 3A is not really worth the risk due to the very small BV increase and since it is probably harder to get better GOE on a 4T-Lo-3S combo than his 3A-Lo-3S. Keeping is current layout does however put him in a disadvantage BV wise, especially since Jin, Chen and Uno seem all to want to add one quad each. So there is no room for error at all, his layout now is also risky due to the risk of Zayak. So if he has the capability I would find it pretty worthwhile for him to try to do 3A3Lo (unless of course he adds the 4Lz). He is a great axel and loop jumper (and generally edge-jumper). He has of course though basically never done -2Lo or -3Lo combos, he did however try some out at the GPF16 gala - so you never know. It doesn't seem very likely though, I don't think 3A3Lo has ever been done in competition (recently someone uploaded a fully rotated one on instagram/twitter): https://www.instagram.com/p/BSgJGV1FhF9/. There is already as people have pointed out, big risk with the hips with -Lo combos and it is risky since it is easy to underrotate such combos and therefore get really low GOE.

I think he is probably going to go for the 4Lz, Max Ambesi a k a Yuzuru's biggest sport commentator fan (who also seems to have a spy at TCC) is pretty convinced he is going to bring it next season. It is all about success-rate I'm sure. Around 4CC the 4Lz success rate was supposed to be around 60% - however that does not tell us if he is simply landing the jump itself 60% of the time or if that is in the context of a run-through. His attempt at WTT looked great though, yes only 1/9 but it was the end of the season and more importantly his set-up was pretty short, which hopefully indicates that he has a pretty good grasp of it

Sorry for long post :palmf: I just get excited :drama:
 
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NordEsque said:
Yeah, doing a five quad program without a new quad is not really worth it point wise. It is only an around two point increase since he would have to remove a 3A. Unless he does 4Lo-combo, but a 4Lo-combo is supposed to be really difficult from what I've heard so I don't think it is very likely. However if he manages to do 3A3Lo he would get a significant BV-raise even without a new quad. The BV this season was about 103,43, if he exchanges the 3A2T combo (9,80 without second-half bonus, 10,78 with) for 3A3Lo (13,60, with bonus: 14,96) his BV would be around 107,61. To put in into perspective Chen's 6 quad program at Worlds had a BV at around 112.

So if he is not adding a quad, I think it would be better to either keep his current layout and focus on going clean and getting crazy high GOEs (as he has the ability to do :biggrin:), cause doing five quads with one 3A is not really worth the risk due to the very small BV increase and since it is probably harder to get better GOE on a 4T-Lo-3S combo than his 3A-Lo-3S. Keeping is current layout does however put him in a disadvantage BV wise, especially since Jin, Chen and Uno seem all to want to add one quad each. So there is no room for error at all, his layout now is also risky due to the risk of Zayak. So if he has the capability I would find it pretty worthwhile for him to try to do 3A3Lo (unless of course he adds the 4Lz). He is a great axel and loop jumper (and generally edge-jumper). He has of course though basically never done -2Lo or -3Lo combos, he did however try some out at the GPF16 gala - so you never know. It doesn't seem very likely though, I don't think 3A3Lo has ever been done in competition (recently someone uploaded a fully rotated one on instagram/twitter): https://www.instagram.com/p/BSgJGV1FhF9/. There is already as people have pointed out, big risk with the hips with -Lo combos and it is risky since it is easy to underrotate such combos and therefore get really low GOE.

I think he is probably going to go for the 4Lz, Max Ambesi a k a Yuzuru's biggest sport commentator fan (who also seems to have a spy at TCC) is pretty convinced he is going to bring it next season. It is all about success-rate I'm sure. Around 4CC the 4Lz success rate was supposed to be around 60% - however that does not tell us if he is simply landing the jump itself 60% of the time or if that is in the context of a run-through. His attempt at WTT looked great though, yes only 1/9 but it was the end of the season and more importantly his set-up was pretty short, which hopefully indicates that he has a pretty good grasp of it

Sorry for long post :palmf: I just get excited :drama:
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Even when he debuts his programs at shows (If he does) it will be a shortened version and we won't know his jump layout for sure till September at least! :biggrin:
 
NordEsque said:
Yeah, doing a five quad program without a new quad is not really worth it point wise. It is only an around two point increase since he would have to remove a 3A. Unless he does 4Lo-combo, but a 4Lo-combo is supposed to be really difficult from what I've heard so I don't think it is very likely. However if he manages to do 3A3Lo he would get a significant BV-raise even without a new quad. The BV this season was about 103,43, if he exchanges the 3A2T combo (9,80 without second-half bonus, 10,78 with) for 3A3Lo (13,60, with bonus: 14,96) his BV would be around 107,61. To put in into perspective Chen's 6 quad program at Worlds had a BV at around 112.

So if he is not adding a quad, I think it would be better to either keep his current layout and focus on going clean and getting crazy high GOEs (as he has the ability to do :biggrin:), cause doing five quads with one 3A is not really worth the risk due to the very small BV increase and since it is probably harder to get better GOE on a 4T-Lo-3S combo than his 3A-Lo-3S. Keeping is current layout does however put him in a disadvantage BV wise, especially since Jin, Chen and Uno seem all to want to add one quad each. So there is no room for error at all, his layout now is also risky due to the risk of Zayak. So if he has the capability I would find it pretty worthwhile for him to try to do 3A3Lo (unless of course he adds the 4Lz). He is a great axel and loop jumper (and generally edge-jumper). He has of course though basically never done -2Lo or -3Lo combos, he did however try some out at the GPF16 gala - so you never know. It doesn't seem very likely though, I don't think 3A3Lo has ever been done in competition (recently someone uploaded a fully rotated one on instagram/twitter): https://www.instagram.com/p/BSgJGV1FhF9/. There is already as people have pointed out, big risk with the hips with -Lo combos and it is risky since it is easy to underrotate such combos and therefore get really low GOE.

I think he is probably going to go for the 4Lz, Max Ambesi a k a Yuzuru's biggest sport commentator fan (who also seems to have a spy at TCC) is pretty convinced he is going to bring it next season. It is all about success-rate I'm sure. Around 4CC the 4Lz success rate was supposed to be around 60% - however that does not tell us if he is simply landing the jump itself 60% of the time or if that is in the context of a run-through. His attempt at WTT looked great though, yes only 1/9 but it was the end of the season and more importantly his set-up was pretty short, which hopefully indicates that he has a pretty good grasp of it

Sorry for long post :palmf: I just get excited :drama:
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3A3Lo combo score is almost the same as quads :O Is it hard to jump? Is there any skater who jump it before?
I like his 3A2Ttano because it's so fast and the tano makes him looks like he wants to jump to the sky lmao
 
chiraya said:
3A3Lo combo score is almost the same as quads :O Is it hard to jump? Is there any skater who jump it before?
I like his 3A2Ttano because it's so fast and the tano makes him looks like he wants to jump to the sky lmao
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He might be able to do an 3A-1Lo-3Loop? That would also be interesting.

Some more broadcast information, the Kobe Fantasy on ice will be broadcast, June12th, Noon,12：00～2：54
 
Interspectator said:
He might be able to do an 3A-1Lo-3Loop? That would also be interesting.

Some more broadcast information, the Kobe Fantasy on ice will be broadcast, June12th, Noon,12：00～2：54
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I can't wait to see the fabulous costume for all the skaters, low V cut for the neck part please :))
 
Is it just me or does anyone else think he's actually going to YOLO a 4A this season? I only just discovered him last year, but I honestly won't be surprised if he can get it with high success rate by next season. He seems very confident that he can do it in recent Japanese talkshow.


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Zhafiraiha said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think he's actually going to YOLO a 4A this season? I only just discovered him last year, but I honestly won't be surprised if he can get it with high success rate by next season. He seems very confident that he can do it in recent Japanese talkshow.


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This season? Olympic season? Doubt it, too much risk :con3:
 
Interspectator said:
He might be able to do an 3A-1Lo-3Loop? That would also be interesting.

Some more broadcast information, the Kobe Fantasy on ice will be broadcast, June12th, Noon,12：00～2：54
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I don't have enough knowledge but I am not sure if it is possible to do 3A-1lo-3lo, because 1lo in this case is a half loop jump and the landing foot is different than in normal loop. You land on the left foot and can attach a Salchow, for exampe, because the take off is from the left foot. And for loop the take off is from right foot.


Zhafiraiha said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think he's actually going to YOLO a 4A this season? I only just discovered him last year, but I honestly won't be surprised if he can get it with high success rate by next season. He seems very confident that he can do it in recent Japanese talkshow.
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Probably he landed 4A in practice, but I doubt he will do it in competition next season, too risky and we know nothing about its success rate. 4Lz is more realistic.
 
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regarding all possibilities of adding another quads/introducing 4Lz or even 4A in competition/potential tweaks in layouts for Yuzuru - I am so not an expert on all technical specifics, but what I do feel about all of this aforementioned is that Yuzuru seems for me like a skater who is very direct and 'organized' about his jumping (success rates etc., BV considerations etc.), yet at the same time he is a man striving, poised for a challenge regarding technicality. I do think that he will decide on a certain version of his FS layout, but at the same time he'll work on it as the season will progress: looking out for a competition, but at the same time to keep that development/progress in him. This last season already proved that he's willing to 'stretch' his jumping abilities and to accommodate novelty/'surprise factor' there, looking at those 'YOLO' jumps or this 4-1/2-3 combo at WTT.

And honestly, I suspect that 4Lz will appear at some point during the season, but it will be not a deliberate inclusion like it was with 4Lo, it all depends on how season will progress and how he'll succeed with it; I'd put my money more on exploration of new quad combos/sequences types in competition. As for 4A - it's great that he still has this kind of 'goal' to reach and I do think that he'll go for it on a full force - if healthy! - after Olympic season.
 
NoNameFace said:
regarding all possibilities of adding another quads/introducing 4Lz or even 4A in competition/potential tweaks in layouts for Yuzuru - I am so not an expert on all technical specifics, but what I do feel about all of this aforementioned is that Yuzuru seems for me like a skater who is very direct and 'organized' about his jumping (success rates etc., BV considerations etc.), yet at the same time he is a man striving, poised for a challenge regarding technicality. I do think that he will decide on a certain version of his FS layout, but at the same time he'll work on it as the season will progress: looking out for a competition, but at the same time to keep that development/progress in him. This last season already proved that he's willing to 'stretch' his jumping abilities and to accommodate novelty/'surprise factor' there, looking at those 'YOLO' jumps or this 4-1/2-3 combo at WTT.

And honestly, I suspect that 4Lz will appear at some point during the season, but it will be not a deliberate inclusion like it was with 4Lo, it all depends on how season will progress and how he'll succeed with it; I'd put my money more on exploration of new quad combos/sequences types in competition. As for 4A - it's great that he still has this kind of 'goal' to reach and I do think that he'll go for it on a full force - if healthy! - after Olympic season.
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Nice analysis! I like that you are hedging your bets and neatly allowing for ALL outcomes in your prediction. :biggrin:

Now, today's photos are a Throwback to Sochi, I really didn't like the R&J2 costume, but these photos are so nice...it nearly convinces me. https://m.weibo.cn/status/410774547...61&lfid=4107368617304970&featurecode=20000180
https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/006ObODigy1ffhihv4ha4j30p00go414.jpg--Especially this one.
 
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German FS Magazine's Interview is translated! -Thanks to the translator who took the time to translate and post it. :thumbsup:
Yuzuru Hanyu was interviewed by Tatjana Flade for the German magazine pirouette in the issue May/June 2017 No.5 (Yuzuru Hanyu = YH)
Question: How do you review your season? There were a lot of highlights, but also some disappointments.
YH: When I think about the 4Lo (Rittberger), It was suscessful. I tried it (4Lo) for the first time in competition and I think I landed it seven times in the LP and only popped it once at Skate Canada
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https://myjunkisyuzuruhanyu.tumblr.com/post/160706897968/interview-with-yuzuru-hanyu
 
Interspectator said:
German FS Magazine's Interview is translated! -Thanks to the translator who took the time to translate and post it. :thumbsup:
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I don't think this will be his last season based on how he's been talking in recent interviews. I think he'll be the Miyazaki of figure skating; he won't be able to keep himself away.
 
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