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well, but it easy to be different in the latin rhythms when you are chosing something not latin. Ypu may believe it or not, but there are different music among Latin music, but I suppose it is easier to adapt the music you already know to the Latin rhythm requirements than to research and find for Latin music different from the one that has already been used.

Sympathy for the Devil was recorded in a samba rhythm by the RS and Hotel California version they use is a rumba rhythm (and has been used on the ballroom for dancing rhumba) so I don't understand the issue you have with it and think it's rather clever that a team went to so much effort to find something unique. Also understandable they wanted to do something fresh considering how many times in their career they did latin the more traditional ballroom way.

On a side note I find this whole discussion about Satan ridiculous. Almost desperate to take a clever music choice and try to hang some dark sinister interpretation onto it.
 
Sympathy for the Devil was recorded in a samba rhythm by the RS and Hotel California version they use is a rumba rhythm (and has been used on the ballroom for dancing rhumba) so I don't understand the issue you have with it and think it's rather clever that a team went to so much effort to find something unique. Also understandable they wanted to do something fresh considering how many times in their career they did latin the more traditional ballroom way.

On a side note I find this whole discussion about Satan ridiculous. Almost desperate to take a clever music choice and try to hang some dark sinister interpretation onto it.
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Sympathy for the Devil was recorded in a samba rhythm by the RS and Hotel California version they use is a rumba rhythm (and has been used on the ballroom for dancing rhumba) so I don't understand the issue you have with it and think it's rather clever that a team went to so much effort to find something unique. Also understandable they wanted to do something fresh considering how many times in their career they did latin the more traditional ballroom way.

On a side note I find this whole discussion about Satan ridiculous. Almost desperate to take a clever music choice and try to hang some dark sinister interpretation onto it.

I know that somehow, their music meets the requirements. I guess I just would like something more authentic (And you do not confuse it with using the same 5-10 pieces that skaters always use). For the record I hated when skaters were using all kind of music for the waltz just because in somehow it meets the requirements. Probably the same problem that hip hop lovers had last season.
 
The little clips of V/M's FD leave me wanting more... they're compelling. If I'm going by the pieces I've seen, this might be an emotional masterpiece.

Augh! I can't wait until the Autumn Classic!
 
I'm hoping that v/m open with tango de roxanne, and that the first step sequence is an angry Scott chasing an afraid Tessa, with the sequence ending with Scott grabbing Tessa as we hear "ROOOXXXANNNNNE....."
 
well, but it easy to be different in the latin rhythms when you are chosing something not latin.

This!

We're talking about a form of music that has existed for generations and is an inherent & vital part of a plethora of countries in the world.

None of which are Great Britain. On the one hand, I can really respect coaches & athletes for finding music that fits the required rhythms without being obvious about it. On the other hand, let's not pretend that every form of Latin music is the same. It is regionally and culturally different throughout Latin America. I can appreciate the ballroom focus within many ice dance programs. I can appreciate the teams that embrace the Latin rhythm with a sense of humor, excitement, fun, sexiness, or sultriness. And I think we DEFINITELY need teams trying to do something with a unique personality that allows their program to stand out and reflect their own relationship on the ice.

But I would likewise have a great deal of respect for teams really tackling the challenge of trying to represent Latin culture authentically.

How many people would be thrilled if someone opted to perform Western Swing or Irish Step Dancing to Latin or Chinese music? There's a disconnect there that's worth discussing.
 
Can we please limit the discussion of new programs, dance rhythms, and upcoming competitions?

I'd like to read more about devil worship, which is my main reason for logging into GS every day.

Thank you.
 
New Russian Programs;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-S61Rg9FfoB/S - not sure what to think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT4pt_h7e5oS/K - I think more palatable than B/S. Victoria feels the latin much better than Nikita, he almost looks like a bystander for the entire dance. But the composition looks decent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwevRtVzYQBetina/Mosgov, Carmen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ie_fYwxiYsLoboda and Drozd. Chicago. I just cannot see how they can cast Alla in this role? Thoughts?
 
I see V/M are Carmen-ing up another overused warhorse. It looks amazing so far, can't wait to see the whole thing.
 
New Russian Programs;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-S61Rg9FfoB/S - not sure what to think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT4pt_h7e5oS/K - I think more palatable than B/S. Victoria feels the latin much better than Nikita, he almost looks like a bystander for the entire dance. But the composition looks decent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwevRtVzYQBetina/Mosgov, Carmen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ie_fYwxiYsLoboda and Drozd. Chicago. I just cannot see how they can cast Alla in this role? Thoughts?

thanks a lot for posting, bramweld, much appreciated since I very much wanted to see SD of Russian duos.

From the first look at Bobrova/Soloviev and Sinitsina/Katsalapov I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised about music selection and 'embelishing' of both dances - B/S SD is busy, but not too much, S/K on the other hand need to be spiced up/more paced, more 'something'...

Ekaterina and Dmitri have a good material in their hands in my opinion, with potential - I just need to see it more polished, especially while they are in holds/hands connections, better costumes (she would kill in red/burgundy number with open back, full sleeves, some gold detailing, asymetic trim, definitely on short side, this fringe one is too busy for me and don't do her justice, he has to have full black with slight cleavage for me, now the costume looks too much of waiter-y side) and another lift like stat - this one looks accidental and not fitting. But what is important for me, I see commitment from them, lots of nice movement from Ekaterina especially, good feeling out of the rhythm. Of course - it need more gelling, polish, strenghtening technicalities like every dance at this stage, but I have my hopes:)

Victoria and Nikita...well, the dance, although nicely put musically and rhythmically as vehicle itself for me, feels empty and with no purpose at this point. It is skated through the motions, not being a motion itself, let alone a powerful one. My biggest shock - a positive one! - is Victoria, her attitude, stance and progress she made, especially in terms of performance and presentation. I see that she's willing to learn and develop, she may be not Brazilian goddess, Latin diva, but there's a hint of sensuality in her movement, subtle swing and bounce here and there. Nice flow, arms work, connection with music, movement and program as a whole from her which I appreciate. Nikita on the other side looks kind of mechanical at this point, I'm sorry - he have to put more 'push' and stress onto fluidity of movement, not only executing all tech elements properly and he have to sell that Latin number convincigly, looking now anything but for me. I totally get myself that all teams have their respective ways of movement, style, expression, not everyone will do 'loud, cheerful Latin' or 'sexy, seductive Latin' or just Latin we all have in mind thinking of it. Bobrova/Soloviev are definitely not a 'Latin' style duo, yet with more 'understated' music and choreo (for their 'usual standards let's say) they look solid, believable and commited to sell what they have WITH the best of them. I think it's also due to their experience and seasoning, some kind of 'stamp' they already have on their style, how they're skating and performing. It is much needed for Victoria and Nikita, but since they are relatively new item, they have to put more spice, more character, more indentity into that SD I think, based on what they have now and what they are willing to give.
 
Well the Shibs are at least, and TBH that wasn't really the point, which was the same freaking Latin music over and over. Perez was just used as an example of one thats been overused in past.

I know what your point was. I was just making an observation that people so far seemed to be having the same idea and most senior teams I've seen announced seem to be going in a different direction from what we saw in 2006 and 2012 although like I said a whole lot of teams need to make their announcements. On a sidenote, I don't mind it in the SDs/ODs when teams want to go authentic (at least with their music choice if not with their actual musical interpretation and costume).
 
I know what your point was. I was just making an observation that people so far seemed to be having the same idea and most senior teams I've seen announced seem to be going in a different direction from what we saw in 2006 and 2012 although like I said a whole lot of teams need to make their announcements. On a sidenote, I don't mind it in the SDs/ODs when teams want to go authentic (at least with their music choice if not with their actual musical interpretation and costume).

to add some point to the above, I also don't mind some level of 'literacy' in Latin style/music/costuming/interpretation used by teams, but I think that this particular style is done often based on the style team has, their way of expression/movement, their interpretation capabilities or just their plain preferences: if they want to experiment, go more 'Latin-moder' or 'Latin transformed' let's say. Referencing Shibutanis a bit, I do think that them using Perez Prado could be paradoxically kind of refreshing and interesting, especially done with their signature crispness, attention to the detail and attack, since quite a few teams are using not typical/authentic Latin music for Latin SD. And I expect a lot of 'Despacito' played in various amounts, so any change will be good:laugh:
 
Programs this season with music previously used by Yuna Kim:

Da-bin Choi KOR
SP: Papa Can You Hear Me, choreo. by Kenji Miyamoto

Mirai Nagasu USA
FS: Miss Saigon (instrumental); choreo by Jeff Buttle

Kaori Sakamoto
SP: Danse macabre choreo. by Kenji Miyamoto

Yuka Nagai JPN
SP: On my own <--- is this from Les Mis or is it a completely different music? Probably Les Mis...

Andrea Montesinos Cantu MEX
FS Adios Nonino by Astor Piazzolla; choreo by Nikolai Morozov


Na Hyun Kim KOR
FS: Scheherazade

Suh Hyun Son KOR
FS: Les Miserables

Su Been Jeon KOR
SP Send In the Clowns (A Little Night Music) by Stephen Sondheim
FS Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin



Some of these skaters might compete in SK... So I'm wondering, are skaters sort of trying to homage Yuna or maybe trying to please Korean audience?
Also, isn't it a little dangerous? Because the comparison...
 
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Yuna Kim didn't invent skating to any of those pieces, they're warhorses or some of them are well known on their own. Some of them could have a personal meaning with each skater or maybe they just really like the music and/or felt it would work for a 4 year audience. You're overthinking it.

Also Kaori Sakamoto has changed her SP already to Moonlight Sonata.
 
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