2017-2018 Programs by Discipline

[ancientpeas]

I was thinking more like Mr Wickham.

Ah Mr. Wyckham.. you dastardly fiend!

hehe.. Mr. Wyckham would have be the best looking man in skating..so Cizeron or the Danish fellow. I don't think Scott could do Mr. Wyckham. He's charming and smooth. Maybe he'd make a good Captain Wentworth from Persuasion? Loyal, stubborn and broody.

So yes.. I once wrote a paper on how Persuasion is actually a much more mature love story than Pride and Prejudice. Persuasion is about loss and doubting ones decisions and the feeling that time has passed you by.

 

[Seruleane]

Ah Mr. Wyckham.. you dastardly fiend!

hehe.. Mr. Wyckham would have be the best looking man in skating..so Cizeron or the Danish fellow. I don't think Scott could do Mr. Wyckham. He's charming and smooth. Maybe he'd make a good Captain Wentworth from Persuasion? Loyal, stubborn and broody.

So yes.. I once wrote a paper on how Persuasion is actually a much more mature love story than Pride and Prejudice. Persuasion is about loss and doubting ones decisions and the feeling that time has passed you by.

I completely agree! While Pride and Prejudice was my intro to Jane Austen and the sparring between Lizzie and Darcy is still so enjoyable, Persuasion feels the most mature and realistic, and I can identify most with Anne.

 

[Seren]

I'm not surprised some American fans are singing praises of Marina. Isn't it their motto "as long as we win, who cares how we win?" World Peace to that.

Err... you realize the team she gave this music to is German right?

I think you have to really work to imagine how this is a slight against V/M. Marina likely didn't think it was the best vehicle for their talent- I don't think it was in any way a maliscious thing. And to be honest I find the music to P&P pretty but not particularly emotional or memorable.

And as an American I'm sorry people made you feel that way but I assure you that that saying is not representative of most Americans (or most people anywhere). Sure, the top teams want to win- the OGM has been a dream for so many skaters. But winning at the expense of fair play is not winning at all.

 

[dorispulaski]

Is there a thread to talk about the new programs of so-called B listers? I'd love to know what music other skaters are using. Laurine Lecavelier, for one.

btw, we have a fan fest for Laurine.

You are not the only fan of her skating!


http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?55375-Laurine-Lecavelier

 

[stella luna]

Sadly, you have a point. The Nike ad for Kevin Durant's new Cupcake shoes says: "At the end of the day, winning is all that matters and anything else is just icing on the cake."

Doesn't matter how, at least to the Golden State Warriors.

Sorry that I Won't do it again.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

btw, we have a fan fest for Laurine.

You are not the only fan of her skating!


http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?55375-Laurine-Lecavelier

Thanks!
I asked that forum about laurine' s music for this year, hope I get an answer. Laurine has everything except consistency to be a threat. She needs DYNAMIC programs this year.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Thanks!
I asked that forum about laurine' s music for this year, hope I get an answer. Laurine has everything except consistency to be a threat. She needs DYNAMIC programs this year.

I did some snooping and came up empty handed. Her ISU profile hasn't been updated yet with her new programs and I haven't found anything on social media.

 

[LRK]

Ah Mr. Wyckham.. you dastardly fiend!

hehe.. Mr. Wyckham would have be the best looking man in skating..so Cizeron or the Danish fellow. I don't think Scott could do Mr. Wyckham. He's charming and smooth. Maybe he'd make a good Captain Wentworth from Persuasion? Loyal, stubborn and broody.

So yes.. I once wrote a paper on how Persuasion is actually a much more mature love story than Pride and Prejudice. Persuasion is about loss and doubting ones decisions and the feeling that time has passed you by.

I'd love to read that.

As it happens, "Pride and Prejudice" and "Persuasion" are my two joint Jane Austen favourites - I love them both equally; just for different reasons.

 

[LRK]

I did some snooping and came up empty handed. Her ISU profile hasn't been updated yet with her new programs and I haven't found anything on social media.

When are the French Masters? French skaters often debut their programs there, I think? Unless Laurine is doing a Challenger prior?

 

[Andrea82]

When are the French Masters? French skaters often debut their programs there, I think? Unless Laurine is doing a Challenger prior?

French Masters are on 28-30 September.

Laurine is entered to Lombardia Trophy in Bergamo (14 - 17 Sep)

 

[jenaj]

Programs this season with music previously used by Yuna Kim:

Da-bin Choi KOR
SP: Papa Can You Hear Me, choreo. by Kenji Miyamoto

Mirai Nagasu USA
FS: Miss Saigon (instrumental); choreo by Jeff Buttle

Kaori Sakamoto
SP: Danse macabre choreo. by Kenji Miyamoto

Yuka Nagai JPN
SP: On my own <--- is this from Les Mis or is it a completely different music? Probably Les Mis...

Andrea Montesinos Cantu MEX
FS Adios Nonino by Astor Piazzolla; choreo by Nikolai Morozov


Na Hyun Kim KOR
FS: Scheherazade

Suh Hyun Son KOR
FS: Les Miserables

Su Been Jeon KOR
SP Send In the Clowns (A Little Night Music) by Stephen Sondheim
FS Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin



Some of these skaters might compete in SK... So I'm wondering, are skaters sort of trying to homage Yuna or maybe trying to please Korean audience?
Also, isn't it a little dangerous? Because the comparison...

A lot of those programs are warhorses that have been used by many skaters. Miss Saigon was used by Michelle Kwan as a junior. Scheherazade also used by Kwan and many others. Danse Macabre used by Plushenko, Orser, Jenny Kirk and others, no doubt. Les Miserables-Michelle Kwan, Send in the Clowns- Tonya Harding, Rudy Galindo; Gershwin Concerto-Emily Hughes, Karen Magnusson (back in 1972), Adios Nonino-Lu Chen. Maybe Yuna was doing an homage to all of those other skaters.

 

[lanark]

A lot of those programs are warhorses that have been used by many skaters. Miss Saigon was used by Michelle Kwan as a junior. Scheherazade also used by Kwan and many others. Danse Macabre used by Plushenko, Orser, Jenny Kirk and others, no doubt. Les Miserables-Michelle Kwan, Send in the Clowns- Tonya Harding, Rudy Galindo; Gershwin Concerto-Emily Hughes, Karen Magnusson (back in 1972), Adios Nonino-Lu Chen. Maybe Yuna was doing an homage to all of those other skaters.

Yes! I'm aware some of them are warhorses.
And I do think Yuna was "homaging" Kwan (in a way) with her Scheherazade program, because I see some similarities (like the ending pose) and Yuna has stated many times that she was inspired by Kwan, so I think it's possible.

I do realize now that my comment was kind of a stretch and too imaginative.

But I do think that although those programs were warhorses Yuna made it very unique and "hers" specially Adios Nonino which had a different arrangement which I don't think I've seen before in ladies figure skating.
It wasn't like when people skate to warhorses like Romeo and Juliet, for instance, with very generic choreography and nothing brilliant about it, you know what I mean? Than it's truly just "meh.."
But sometimes a skater can take a music that was performed a zillion times and make it incredible again.
Because the problem with Warhorses imo is that you immediately go "oh no not again!", you expect that it will be boring because you've already seen it so many times. It's good when a skater can make it surprisingly fresh. Which I hope will happen this season. [emoji4] fingers crossed!

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[Nika09]

Do we know anything about James/Cipres programs? Will they participate in any CS? Because they are kind of only pair that I still curious about, after S/K, S/H etc disappointments...

P.S. if I'm not wrong Sakamoto has changed her SP music, it won't be Danse Macabre.

 

[Barb]

But I do think that although those programs were warhorses Yuna made it very unique and "hers" specially Adios Nonino which had a different arrangement which I don't think I've seen before in ladies figure skating.
It wasn't like when people skate to warhorses like Romeo and Juliet, for instance, with very generic choreography and nothing brilliant about it, you know what I mean? Than it's truly just "meh.."
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That program was not so brilliant. It definitely did not become in a signature program, unlike her Danse macabre.

 

[lanark]

That program was not so brilliant. It definitely did not become in a signature program, unlike her Danse macabre.

Well, I'm going to agree to disagree.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

I don't think it's implausible at all that a lot of the skaters who are choosing programs that so happened to be set to music that Yuna once used did have her in mind (especially the Korean skaters) when they made they decided on their programs considering the location of the Olympics and the fact that Kim is an influential skater who shaped a generation for many...or at least their coach/choreographer had her mind...no matter how many other skaters used that music before or who Kim herself was inspired by.

I remember when Worlds was in L.A. in 2009 how many people joked that so many skaters were using music that Kwan once used as a homage to her since L.A. is her hometown, even the lesser-used Kwan pieces were used (Dvorak's Dumky Trio for example). Even if it's not true it's a funny thought. I know Kim definitely was paying homage to Kwan's Schez and did her own great spin on it (and won Worlds!). I just didn't think THAT program would be the program she'd pay homage to, but it's also smart.

 

[bevybean]

Maybe it is in the minds of the S. Korean skaters, but certain of these warhorses wouldn't necessarily bring Yuna Kim to mind right away for people outside S. Korea. For example, Davis and White use Scheherazade at Sochi to win their gold medal. Since it was a significant achievement as well as a great program, that might be more on people's mind than when Yuna Kim did it. Or maybe it is just me. Or maybe if it is a homage to Yuna it is only supposed to be significant to the S. Korean fans?

 

[Mango]

If it's Sceherazade and ladies then I would have to add Mao to that list. I even thought Young You was inspired by Mao's costume for her 2015-2016 FS.

 

[icetigger]

I think the general laudatory statement made by skating to Scheherazade is about that piece of music and how well it can be cut up and edited to make a satisfactorily unified programme with great placement for the jumps, a climactic end, and a sinuey skating skills middle section. Credit for its frequent use goes to Rimsky-Korsakov far above Kwan, Kim or any skater for that matter, in my opinion.

My favourite use of it is Midori Ito. I especially like the climactic end which begins with her taking a skate up to a triple-toe triple-toe the speed of which makes me feel sick, only for her to do the jump so directly at a man in the audience that he looks like he passes out. https://youtu.be/XQaE6Y6Sq5k?t=3m10s

 

[Barb]

I don't know about the other skaters, but Marin LP was obviously influenced by Yuna's program.