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I think Osmond's consistency in making errors in her fs will put Alina ahead. The SP might be closer.
2017 GP Internationaux de France Ladies SP
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Alina is.
I think Osmond's consistency in making errors in her fs will put Alina ahead. The SP might be closer.
Zagitova is a European skater, so a good proportion of the crowd will be rooting for her, a very different situation than in Skate Canada where the crowd was entirely for Osmond; Kaetlyn won't have the automatic PCS advantage she had at SC.
When it comes to skating clean, Alina is far more likely to do so than Kaetlyn, especially in the FS. Since her junior debut in the fall of 2010, Kaetlyn has never skated a clean FS in international competition, while Alina has, and more than once.
When it comes to skating clean, Alina is far more likely to do so than Kaetlyn, especially in the FS. Since her junior debut in the fall of 2010, Kaetlyn has never skated a clean FS in international competition, while Alina has, and more than once.
Osmond skates on Edith Piaf in France. More than sure she'll have the public on her part at least in the short program. I expect big PCS for Osmond mainly for the short program.
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If both are clean in SP I would think it will be something like 77 to 73 Osmond. If both are clean in FP I would imagine that Osmond will have smaller pcs advantage that Zagitova in tes but SP margin will be enough. Then with clean back to back performances I would give some overall edge to Osmond. But she has yet to skate clean. One stumble and clean Zagitova should beat her.
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They are borderline except that solo 3Lz. But overall, I do notice that Alina's edge jumps are stronger than her toe jumps. She does have strong competitive nerves, which is her true weapon. At this stage, I don't think her posture, movements and interpretive abilities are close to Kaetlyn. If both go clean in the LP, I think Kaetlyn will have the overall edge PCS wise. But then Kaetlyn has never gone clean in a LP. She is more a happy skater rather than a tough as nails competitor type which Eteri's girls all have in plenty. I think overall, it is more likely that the gritty and tough Alina will skate clean and win.
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I think Alina should win. Kaetlyn at SC was way overscored in her LP. I doubt she will get the same score if she makes the same mistake in France.
But Alina has not skated a clean SP this season yet. She has a new SP and Kaetlyn has a new LP; She is very likely to skate her LP to perfection while Kaetlyn is very likely to skate to her SP to perfection. As long as Alina skates clean in her SP, she should be over Kaetlyn overall.
But Alina has not skated a clean SP this season yet. She has a new SP and Kaetlyn has a new LP; She is very likely to skate her LP to perfection while Kaetlyn is very likely to skate to her SP to perfection. As long as Alina skates clean in her SP, she should be over Kaetlyn overall.
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No matter what happens, there will be a lot of people complaining because their favourite didn't win.
I agree with everyone that Kaetlyn is more likely to have a better SP than Alina, her program was already very good and the French audiance will probably enjoy it a lot too.
But Kaetlyn's LP was quite concerning. I personally would give her much much less than what she got at Skate Canada in terms of PCS. Her Swan do not make much sense, the music is so busy at times which she simply ignores and just skates as if there is no music, her *balletic* figures look so fake. Under proper scoring she should lose a lot of points in PCS, not because she is not good, but because her choreographer somehow thought this disasterous interpretation works.
Kaetlyn has one of the biggest, quite exciting jumps out there and it's really enjoyable to watch her. It will be a real shame if she loses because her program doesn't work and more shame for if she wins regardless of such a program. She is a real medal contender, why don't they play to her strengths and give her some music with a few high points in which her jumps would shine and remaning parts that she could actually engage with.
I think Alina will do well and possibly win. She might have a fall again but everyone does these days. I enjoyed her swan the last time, it had a futuristic side and some captivating series of movements in it. I think I will be a bit bored with her LP, definitely not because of the backloading, but because I have watched it quite a lot of times and she was almost always very good in them so I expect no radical improvement which might excite me.
I don't really know about the 3rd, but Sotskova is a good candidate.
I agree with everyone that Kaetlyn is more likely to have a better SP than Alina, her program was already very good and the French audiance will probably enjoy it a lot too.
But Kaetlyn's LP was quite concerning. I personally would give her much much less than what she got at Skate Canada in terms of PCS. Her Swan do not make much sense, the music is so busy at times which she simply ignores and just skates as if there is no music, her *balletic* figures look so fake. Under proper scoring she should lose a lot of points in PCS, not because she is not good, but because her choreographer somehow thought this disasterous interpretation works.
Kaetlyn has one of the biggest, quite exciting jumps out there and it's really enjoyable to watch her. It will be a real shame if she loses because her program doesn't work and more shame for if she wins regardless of such a program. She is a real medal contender, why don't they play to her strengths and give her some music with a few high points in which her jumps would shine and remaning parts that she could actually engage with.
I think Alina will do well and possibly win. She might have a fall again but everyone does these days. I enjoyed her swan the last time, it had a futuristic side and some captivating series of movements in it. I think I will be a bit bored with her LP, definitely not because of the backloading, but because I have watched it quite a lot of times and she was almost always very good in them so I expect no radical improvement which might excite me.
I don't really know about the 3rd, but Sotskova is a good candidate.
Yes, I agree about Osmond´s short program. It is really amazing and here the French audience will enjoy it, although a Finn I have loved it since she started to skate to it, LOL.
About her freeskate I would say that at the time of Skate Canada she did not have enough mileage with that program. Now = 3 weeks later I expect it to look different as she has had more time to train it and the choreographer may have done some fixing, too.
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You may be right, skating for the first time to a new program doesn't produce the best results. We'll see whether she improved and I'm sure she did but how much she was able to do is the question.
Is no one excited about Polina E. come back after injury? I am! I hope she kicks *** and shows new quality and maturity in her skating. I am so curious about her performance. She is out of GPF contention, but she still might have a chance to go to the Olympics if she skates great here and at the Nationals.
Well we already seen her, she looks not ready at all.
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FWIW, here are Kaetlyn and Alina's scores so far this season:
Challenger
Kaetlyn (Autumn Classic): 217.55
Alina (Lombardia): 218.46
Grand Prix
Kaetlyn (Skate Canada): 212.91
Alina (Cup of China): 213.88
So if Alina has an advantage, based on the scores this season, it's a slight one. I do think it will come down to the free skate, where Kaetlyn should have a PCS advantage and Alina a TES advantage.
Mai Mihara and Maria Sotskova are in an exciting battle for the podium as well:
Challenger
Mai (Autumn Classic): 199.02
Maria (Finlandia): 205.30
Grand Prix
Mai (Cup of China): 206.07
Maria (Skate Canada): 192.52
Challenger
Kaetlyn (Autumn Classic): 217.55
Alina (Lombardia): 218.46
Grand Prix
Kaetlyn (Skate Canada): 212.91
Alina (Cup of China): 213.88
So if Alina has an advantage, based on the scores this season, it's a slight one. I do think it will come down to the free skate, where Kaetlyn should have a PCS advantage and Alina a TES advantage.
Mai Mihara and Maria Sotskova are in an exciting battle for the podium as well:
Challenger
Mai (Autumn Classic): 199.02
Maria (Finlandia): 205.30
Grand Prix
Mai (Cup of China): 206.07
Maria (Skate Canada): 192.52
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That's what was said about Skate Canada, that it had the makings of being both a mini USA and Russian Nationals, with no clear winner. After Kaetlyn slayed, it was oh yes, well we knew she would win.
Funny how memories seem to fade here, after a few.
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I want Mai to win this GP event, she's by far my favourite here (ok, bar Laurine)! But it ain't gonna happen no matter how well she'll do
She can beat Osmond if she falls & pops and if they don't give her unreasonable PCS cushion but I can't see her beating Zagitova (sigh). Mai deserves higher component score than Alina but in her first senior season Zagitova already receives very high components that are higher than Mihara (I disagree with that but what can you do?).I want Mai to win this GP event, she's by far my favourite here (ok, bar Laurine)! But it ain't gonna happen no matter how well she'll do
The biggest gap with Zagitova, Osmond and maybe Sotskova, will be in SP. Even if Mai is perfect i wouln't be surprised if judges give her less than 70. Just hope that the gap won't be too big. She always delivers in the FS. She can score 140+, so at least beat Sotskova.
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