Medvedeva leaving Eteri

[Hui]

Well, it is debatable, because we don't get to see her bad jumps.
Whatever you may imply, she manages to check most of the GOE checkboxes, and her PCs (compared to rest of field) are quite justified.

Not really. Performance is subjective but skating skills should be more objective right?
I remember seeing Zhenya getting higher skating skills score than Carolina Kostner in a few competitions.. and it was really weird to see that.

 

[Ophelia]

Dunno, i am worried.
Zhenya's major winning factor is her consistency. And i really doubt she can keep that under Orser.
Also, i'm not sure if Orser is a good ladies coach, since his only successful female student is Yuna so far.

ONLY? One GOAT is more than enough, and more than other active coaches can claim. Quality over quantity.

 

[Hui]

Hahaha, that's great. Her consistency comes from knowing she'll be propped up with great scores no matter what. Is a new one to me. Is it your own creation?

I say her "mental strength and confidence" blah blah. Wear your glasses

 

[vorravorra]

Wow, I have to say I was hoping it would be Alina going to Orser, but obviously if Alina just won OGM under Eteri, she wouldn't leave. This is a big move by Zhenya, and I hope it will pay off. It's a risk, but it tells me Evgenia is still hungry for the OGM, and she knew she had to make a change to have a fighting chance in the next quad. I suspect Eteri probably knew Evgenia might leave after what happened at the Olympics. Given their close relationship, I hope they parted on good terms. I really really would love to see Wakaba train with Orser too, though now that Evgenia is there, I guess it may not happen for Wakaba.

We shouldn't forget Alina is still very young and has school. And most likely not ready for such momentous decisions. Plus she is still healthy and Eteri's gruelling training methods haven't broken her yet. Once she is more mentally and emotionally mature (and is overtaken by the current Juniors) - then maybe she'll consider it.

 

[edge of transition]

I say her "mental strength and confidence" blah blah. Wear your glasses

Right, so, you stand by that? It's fantastic material. I'm in awe

 

[Hui]

We shouldn't forget Alina is still very young and has school. And most likely not ready for such momentous decisions. Plus she is still healthy and Eteri's gruelling training methods haven't broken her yet. Once she is more mentally and emotionally mature (and is overtaken by the current Juniors) - then maybe she'll consider it.

Yeah. She still has one whole year to win everything she wants.

 

[LucyH]

Wow... I wonder when official word will be out... It was funny, one of the Canadian gossip blogs that I read Laineygossip.com posted about the Olympics awhile back debating team Alina vs team Evgenia and that she was Evgenia all the way and she mused "can you imagine what Brian Orser could do for this girl?" and that quote stuck in my head for some reason. We'll have to wait and see what actually happens. All we know for sure now is that She is no longer with Eteri - I think it was a good decision to leave just for long term health in general

 

[Yatagarasu]

I know saying this may make me sound like a hater, but sometimes I wonder if her mental strength and confidence come from knowing that no matter how bad her jumps are, she will get good GOE, and no matter how well others perform, she will get the best PCS as long as she goes "clean".

Nah. Is her situation really all that different from say, Kaetlyn Osmond? Lets be honest here, Zhenya is hardly the only person to get overscored. For example, her FS at the Olympics was a horrible moment for her. So many would have folded but she delivered. And she knew it was over already, she's not stupid.

I try to be as objective as possible, and I like to give people their due. Medvedeva has an amazing mental strength and really, this situation now, when she up and left Eteri, is going outside of Russia, and is choosing to fight for her career when there are quite a few odds against her and bound to increase is a great example of it. She could have retired. She's got her foot in the entertainment world, she has a great agent, she can do shows, study and live a great life but she didn't choose the easy way. I have to say hats off and major props for fighting!

 

[Hui]

Right, so, you stand by that? It's fantastic material. I'm in awe

Just read everything again if you don't understand. I just said what I wondered and you are making it into a big deal. The last time i checked, speech freedom is still much alive. We are all allowed to voice our opinion, like it or not.

 

[brens78]

Whoever she chooses to go with, I'm looking forward to seeing a possible new style from her in the lead up to 2022

 

[Scout]

Evgenia thrived under Eteri and her training methods. It's what she knows and how she learned. Yes, there are more talented juniors, ready to over take her, and Alina already has. But training regime, technique, atmosphere under Orser is completely different. This seems like there is potential for things to go well, but also a lot of risk involved. I'm not sure the risk at this point is worth it, but I trust that Evgenia knows better than I.

 

[skatingfan200]

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/992501648848191488
She is expected to make an announcement in a day or two.

 

[Hui]

Nah. Is her situation really all that different from say, Kaetlyn Osmond? Lets be honest here, Zhenya is hardly the only person to get overscored. For example, her FS at the Olympics was a horrible moment for her. So many would have folded but she delivered. And she knew it was over already, she's not stupid.

I try to be as objective as possible, and I like to give people their due. Medvedeva has an amazing mental strength and really, this situation now, when she up and left Eteri, is going outside of Russia, and is choosing to fight for her career when there are quite a few odds against her and bound to increase is a great example of it. She could have retired. She's got her foot in the entertainment world, she has a great agent, she can do shows, study and live a great life but she didn't choose the easy way. I have to say hats off and major props for fighting!

I'm very happy that she chooses to improve herself instead of stagnating with Eteri. It would be great if Orser can help her. Wish her good luck.

 

[Tulipstar]

I thought I would be spending 5 minutes on the forum today. But I'm still here. All because of this thread:hopelessness:

 

[readernick]

I know saying this may make me sound like a hater, but sometimes I wonder if her mental strength and confidence come from knowing that no matter how bad her jumps are, she will get good GOE, and no matter how well others perform, she will get the best PCS as long as she goes "clean".

Medvedeva has always been consistent in juniors and in senors even before the high PCS came her way.So, this argument holds no weight. Her mentality is what makes her unique. Almost all ladies skaters who are consistent get PCS boost in the current system. But, very few skaters are consistent. Her mental strength is unique. She has never had a complete melt down even when injured. It is fair to criticize some of Medvedeva’s jumps, her SS too — they are good and she has good edges (far superior to Alina) but she lacks the speed of Carolina Kostner and some others, and for me the choreography has always needed improvement but don’t try to “hate” ( yes you are being a “hater”) by pretending her mental strength is a gift from the judges.

 

[vorravorra]

Evgenia thrived under Eteri and her training methods. It's what she knows and how she learned. Yes, there are more talented juniors, ready to over take her, and Alina already has. But training regime, technique, atmosphere under Orser is completely different. This seems like there is potential for things to go well, but also a lot of risk involved. I'm not sure the risk at this point is worth it, but I trust that Evgenia knows better than I.

She thrived until this season while her health allowed it. It is the stress fracture first and foremost that cost her the OGM. And carefully handling skaters with health issues is not what Eteri excels at, it's contrary to her methods of pushing skaters to their limit. Even if she wants what's best for Evgenia she is just not good at it. Evgenia was fine with that approach till this season when she realised she is not made of iron. She could retire and rest on her laurels, and a lot of people think it's the best option. But if she wants to continue skating, she requires a different approach. Maybe it won't work and she will have to retire anyway, who knows. There are no guarantees. But I think she wants to give herself a chance.

 

[Hui]

Medvedeva has always been consistent in juniors and in senors even before the high PCS came her way.So, this argument holds no weight. Her mentality is what makes her unique. Almost all ladies skaters who are consistent get PCS boost in the current system. But, very few skaters are consistent. Her mental strength is unique. She has never had a complete melt down even when injured. It is fair to criticize some of Medvedeva’s jumps, her SS too — they are good and she has good edges (far superior to Alina) but she lacks the speed of Carolina Kostner and some others, and for me the choreography has always needed improvement but don’t try to “hate” ( yes you are being a “hater”) by pretending her mental strength is a gift from the judges.

I never said that her mental strength is a gift from the judges. I just feel that when you know you are gonna get good result no matter how flawed your technique is, surely that is a huge boost of confidence. For some people, having confidence increases your mental strength. I never said that mental strength is the reason she is consistent; that was mentioned by Yata. I said her consistency was contributed by prerotation, average jump height and ice coverage. And that actually makes sense.

 

[MedoLove]

Not really. Performance is subjective but skating skills should be more objective right?
I remember seeing Zhenya getting higher skating skills score than Carolina Kostner in a few competitions.. and it was really weird to see that.

ISU:
• Skating Skills which is the overall quality of the skating ability (e.g. balance, cleanness and sureness, flow, edges, multi directional skating, power)
• Transitions which is the variety, difficulty and purposeful use of intricate footwork, positions, movements and holds that link all elements.
• Performance is the physical and emotional involvement of the skater/couple as they deliver the intent of the music and composition (e.g. carriage, style, personality, variety, contrasts, projection).
• Composition is an intentionally developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of musical phrase, space, pattern, and structure (e.g. idea, concept, unity, pattern, phrasing, originality, design)
• Interpretation of the Music /Timing (for Ice Dance) it is the personal, creative, and genuine translation of the rhythm, character and content of music to movement on ice.

All that has to be demonstrated mainly in the stsq, have you seen the Rocker, Mohawk, Choctaw she uses? its deep and clear edges in the stsq, the sureness with which she flows and change edge while she transits between the previous steps of its sequence to the next tech. element?


I see good SS according to what the ISU dictates.
And curiously I also see that it fulfills all the other requirements for PCs in a large margin. We are not saying that she is perfect, because she is not. But it meets most of the requirements, because her program was thus packaged: clear edges in the stsq, good flow and speed and multidirectional skating(especially in the 2016-2017 season), 11 difficult turns required with changes of edges. And she does all of that using her entire upper body while skating on one foot, and she has almost no crossovers.I think that in her FS of 2017 you can appreciate all these good qualities. And best of all, she can improve by recovering from her injury and getting a better program.

 

[vorravorra]

So I guess this confirms Eteri is for little girls.
She has an age limit, apparently.
I won’t criticise her though... Each coach has its methods and goals. Eteri wants champions, she wants medals. I think she thinks after 18 you’re just going downwards and won’t be able to deliver.
If it’s like that leaving her is the best thing Evgenia can do. And I hope Alina does too in the not distant future.
I think that’s going to be the cycle then, in Eteri’s camp.
And even with the new rules coming up(that will affect backloading and that should affect GOEs) I think Eteri camp will remain full of potential champions, Eteri has showed she knows how to milk points out of the system and she will continue to do so.

She said it in so many words. You coach not really believing in your prospects at a ripe old age of 18 is a good enough reason to move on.

https://sport.rambler.ru/figureskating/38947442-tutberidze-vygnala-zagitovu-za-otnoshenie-k-rabote/

 

[Scout]

She thrived until this season while her health allowed it. It is the stress fracture first and foremost that cost her the OGM. And carefully handling skaters with health issues is not what Eteri excels at, it's contrary to her methods of pushing skaters to their limit. Even if she wants what's best for Evgenia she is just not good at it. Evgenia was fine with that approach till this season when she realised she is not made of iron. She could retire and rest on her laurels, and a lot of people think it's the best option. But if she wants to continue skating, she requires a different approach. Maybe it won't work and she will have to retire anyway, who knows. There are no guarantees. But I think she wants to give herself a chance.

Agree that Eteri is not the best coach to deal with health issues. And from articles I've read, it does seem like Evgenia wants longevity in her career, which is awesome.
If a different approach is needed, so be it. If something's broken, then fix it...it it's not, don't. I'm just not sure it's worth the risk. But like I said, she knows way better than I do.