Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[LRK]

Has this been posted already? An English translation of Orser's Russian interview:

http://fs-gossips.com/brian-orser-personally-i-prefer-mature-skating/

I'm sorry if it has and I missed it.

 

[esteticlove]

According to what was shown on the media, Eteri messaged Zhenya on the 16th of April asking her to go to the rink and to do the planning for the trainings. But this is kind of strange, because at that time Zhenya was touring Japan/Korea with Zagitova and other skaters for shows. How was she supposed to go to the rink? Than on the 24th another messages came, which is also suspicious because this was only 2 days after the meeting with Orser My speculation is that Eteri somehow learnt that Zhenya met Orser and was just testing her to see if there would be any reaction

 

[Luis]

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

 

[gmyers]

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

Very harsh!! Russia and Canada- very big rivals.

 

[thedude]

I don't know why people are upset about the timeline between when she texted or met Orser to the time Eteri went public. This is pretty complex move with a lot of moving parts. If I was her, I'm not letting anyone know until my plans are finalized as much as possible.
1. Her first meeting is a feeler. Nothing is definitive. Brian said he had to talk to his staff and his skaters before a final approval.
2. Evgenia now has to find out and work with who at Sambo or Russfed are her allies, since she'll need them for funding. Notice how she is skating officially for Sambo not TCC. That's a political and financial necessity. I'm sure Eteri has made a few enemies so there are probably people who don't mind seeing her taken down a notch or two.

Let's look at this situation another way and put the shoe on the other foot. How much advance notice do you think Eteri gives to a skater before she expels them? Like when she expelled Alina, do you think she gave her a month notice to find a new coach, contacted other coaches on Alina's behalf, or even recommended to Alina's parents more suitable coaches. Keep in mind her skaters are kids, not adults.

I don't what Eteri actually did, but based on her past relationships and what she has said publicly, it's not hard to form an opinion.
It's easy to tell everyone your skaters are like your daughters when medals are won, what happens when the winning stops...

 

[charlotte14]

I don't know why people are upset about the timeline between when she texted or met Orser to the time Eteri went public. This is pretty complex move with a lot of moving parts. If I was her, I'm not letting anyone know until my plans are finalized as much as possible.
1. Her first meeting is a feeler. Nothing is definitive. Brian said he had to talk to his staff and his skaters before a final approval.
2. Evgenia now has to find out and work with who at Sambo or Russfed are her allies, since she'll need them for funding. Notice how she is skating officially for Sambo not TCC. That's a political and financial necessity. I'm sure Eteri has made a few enemies so there are probably people who don't mind seeing her taken down a notch or two.

Let's look at this situation another way and put the shoe on the other foot. How much advance notice do you think Eteri gives to a skater before she expels them? Like when she expelled Alina, do you think she gave her a month notice to find a new coach, contacted other coaches on Alina's behalf, or even recommended to Alina's parents more suitable coaches. Keep in mind her skaters are kids, not adults.

I don't what Eteri actually did, but based on her past relationships and what she has said publicly, it's not hard to form an opinion.
It's easy to tell everyone your skaters are like your daughters when medals are won, what happens when the winning stops...

From what I’ve heard, it’s common for skaters in Eteri group to go off for several days then come back after a while to see if they’re accepted back? It’s like “Let he/she go and calm down, she/he will come back eventually and everything will be back from the start.” I guess folks at Sambo 70 expected their skaters to come back as usual.
But apparently this time isn’t the case. After Olympic is the biggest break up season.

 

[cruzceleste]

Has this been posted already? An English translation of Orser's Russian interview:

http://fs-gossips.com/brian-orser-personally-i-prefer-mature-skating/

I'm sorry if it has and I missed it.

Thank you, I haven´t read it

 

[cruzceleste]

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

From what I can see, this is from before Borser was confirmed. So, I still don´t feel alarmed, everything will cam down, specially if Evgenia gets back on good health form and improve tech and presentation and keep winning medals for Russia.

 

[chopinskate]

Actually, amidst all this...

I prefer Mao Asada.

 

[OswinOswald]

From what I can see, this is from before Borser was confirmed. So, I still don´t feel alarmed, everything will cam down, specially if Evgenia gets back on good health form and improve tech and presentation and keep winning medals for Russia.

It was published today.
I sincerely hope it doesn't reflect the global russian opinion about all this, as it is incredibly negative about Zhenya and relies exclusively on Eteri's words I don't even understand how it is possible to be so one-sided in this situation, especially for a journalist.

 

[ramed]

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

Luis, it's hard to find a worse example than that article It's a regional Tatar paper which clearly favors Zagitova for obvious reasons. Central papers in general don't criticize Medvedeva. Eteri is criticized quite a bit more often (but mostly not very hard, to be fair). By the way, you wrote about Zhenya that "she goes against the mainstream". How well are you familiar with Russian teens and what do you think is mainstream for them? I'd say quite the opposite about Zhenya. So far her tastes, including her love for anime, look rather typical for a Russian teenager.

 

[cruzceleste]

It was published today.
I sincerely hope it doesn't reflect the global russian opinion about all this, as it is incredibly negative about Zhenya and relies exclusively on Eteri's words I don't even understand how it is possible to be so one-sided in this situation, especially for a journalist.

Meh, don´t worry...

 

[kwanatic]

Russian Press (in English) writes against Medvedeva with "viscerality”.

https://m.realnoevremya.com/article...ium=redirect&utm_campaign=mobile#from_desktop

Some of the Headlines:

“'Stab in the back'' of Tutberidze and Zagitova by Evgenia Medvedeva”

”Medvedeva has gone and will never came back”

“Pseudo-Patriots and change of citizenship”

“Everybody is right but Medvedeva is guilty”

Sounds like Koola King wrote this...

 

[yoloaxel]

Sounds like Koola King wrote this...

Koola King has been surprisingly supportive of Zhenya, go figure

 

[chopinskate]

I think retooling her jump technique is a bit unrealistic, because it's just so, so hard to do. And she has no reason to do it. She already gets great GOE, and RusFed won't stop politicking for her. But if she loses consistency for a few seasons due to jump technique retooling, RusFed will most likely drop her. If that happens, then gaining a slightly improved jump technique won't make any difference (I say "slightly improved" because even with lots of time and effort she probably wouldn't improve her lutz to high GOE quality...at best it'll be passable and not get an edge call).

I said that too. There is not an urgent need to rework her technique, she already get the highest GOEs with that technique. Some say that she will want to rework her technique because she wants to improve. But that means inconsistency and big risk that Rusfed definetely drop her. The question is, Is her wish to improve is above her wish to still winning medals and titles and not lose her spot? I think that the answer is NO.

ITA. It's not only unrealistic...for the most part it's unnecessary.

Evgenia doesn't have the best jumps/technique but her jumps are sufficient and it's not as if her technique is problematic. She's not like Lipnitskaya whose jumps just stopped working after Sochi. By the 2014-2015 season she couldn't consistently land/rotate many of them anymore. Evgenia didn't have any actual problems with her jumps last season. Any issues she had could be attributed to the fact that she was injured. So it's not like she needs a total tear down of all of her jumps. Brian has already said they intend to address her lutz it if they can. I'd like to see them build strength to reduce her muscling her 3Ts. Granted despite this technique flaw, she still rotates and lands them consistently so even if they don't address it, it's not the end of the world. Everything else is pretty much fine.

For Evgenia I think this move is about securing her career for the next quad. Barring any kind of radical changes/unforeseen circumstances her future with Brian is relatively secure. If she stayed with Eteri at best she might have a season of battling with Alina for position. Once Trusova and Kostornaia age up she'd likely be pushed out.

Evgenia has made it clear she's aiming for 2022. Eteri has no road map for that goal so Evgenia had to go to someone who does. I think it's great for her. She'll be around mature skaters who are closer to her age if not older than her which is also great because there is someone in her environment to model herself after and inspire her. In Eteri's group she was the oldest and none of her previous stars (Lipnitskaya, Shelepen) made it beyond age 17 competitively. That probably didn't inspire much confidence for Evgenia to stay put.

They'll at least have to retool them enough to make sure she isn't muscling and retains her jumps, wouldn't they? If longevity is the aim, but even if it's just winning, you need jumps you can still do. Let's see what happens. My issue with Orser's statement is something else entirely.

I do hope the technique on the -3T and the 2A at least is fixed. That was at least the amount of reworking I'd wanted to see with her. The flutz will take some time anyway. At least hope the cheated -3T is fixed.

 

[yume]

Koola King has been surprisingly supportive of Zhenya, go figure

Brian Orser has some magic powers.

 

[Watch]

They'll at least have to retool them enough to make sure she isn't muscling and retains her jumps, wouldn't they? If longevity is the aim, but even if it's just winning, you need jumps you can still do. Let's see what happens. My issue with Orser's statement is something else entirely. I do hope the technique on the -3T and the 2A at least is reworked. That was at least the amount of "retooling" I'd wanted to see with her. The flutz will take some time anyway.

I don't think what he says in interviews on this topic should be taken too seriously, tbh. He's obviously on a conciliatory tour in the Russian media today after first his comment about Trusova and then his very innocent statement that Evgenia's going to have more of a voice in her future programs have been taken as this huge offense and blown out of proportion. So today he's all "Evgenia's coaching team has done a great job, her technique is wonderful, everything's great and it's all thanks to how great Eteri is". He's not going to reveal their plans and goals when it comes to the technical aspects, especially not now.

 

[charlotte14]

They'll at least have to retool them enough to make sure she isn't muscling and retains her jumps, wouldn't they? If longevity is the aim, but even if it's just winning, you need jumps you can still do. Let's see what happens. My issue with Orser's statement is something else entirely.

I do hope the technique on the -3T and the 2A at least is fixed. That was at least the amount of reworking I'd wanted to see with her. The flutz will take some time anyway. At least hope the cheated -3T is fixed.

The cheated technique that the majority ladies have? How about Japanese ladies like Satoko, Marin Honda, also most Russian ladies... etc? I agree that Med should fix her technique but still for some reason some people act like only Med has this kind of technique.

 

[OswinOswald]

Koola King has been surprisingly supportive of Zhenya, go figure

This chanel is so funny now: there were only anti-Zhenya videos, and suddenly there are 5 or 6 videos named "Save Evgenia Medvedeva", with the title in Russian

 

[chopinskate]

The cheated technique that the majority ladies have? How about Japanese ladies like Satoko, Marin Honda, also most Russian ladies... etc? I agree that Med should fix her technique but still for some reason some people act like only Med has this kind of technique.

They should fix it too. I never said they shouldn't. The ladies discipline, I guess, isn't something I'm a fan of anymore.

You forgot Daleman, BTW.