2018-2019 Programs By Discipline

[silverfoxes]

Well, last season she had out of the box music for her ex and people criticized it very heavily. I think she performed it quite well if I'm being honest, but people had such great difficulty looking past her costume that I guess they didn't notice.

To be honest though, I don't get why people want out of the box music. Carmen over anything pop or rock or jazz or blues or whatever any day for me.

Nobody was criticizing her program because of the music.

Just because you have extremely narrow tastes in music doesn't mean the rest of the world feels the same. Hey, why doesn't everyone just skate to Carmen permanently? Make it required...for the SP and the LP

 

[Shayuki]

Nobody was criticizing her program because of the music.

Just because you have extremely narrow tastes in music doesn't mean the rest of the world feels the same. Hey, why doesn't everyone just skate to Carmen permanently? Make it required...for the SP and the LP

Plenty of people were criticizing it due to music, in addition to everything else... Even though it was different and creative. And it just is far more pleasant to listen to than anything I mentioned, in my opinion. And most importantly, it goes well with Figure Skating. It's very different to listen to music for the sake of listening to it and thinking that said music is good for a skating program. The actual point of my post is that Alina did have out of the box music for her EX last season, something that people who say that she only gets boring choices ignore.

... It's pretty ironic to call my taste in music narrow considering what I listen to. I can guarantee that 99% of the people wouldn't even think about listening to what I regularly do and no one I've talked to has even heard of the bands. Try to not make it personal if you don't know me.

 

[LRK]

I tend to be more indulgent regarding recurrent music choices when it’s a more contemporary product and feels legitimately like something the skater just feels enthused about. Contemporary movie musicals, for instance (Moulin Rouge, La La Land, The Greatest Showman), it’s easy to just credit that they know the movie and really wanted to do it.

Young skaters would be quite familiar with Carmen though - that is, the skating programs. Chances are they've grown up hearing it at the rink (since someone always seems to have a Carmen program), or they've seen competitive programs skated to it. They might have loved some Carmen program and thought "One day I want to skate to that too!"

Note: This is just a general comment, and not pertaining particularly to Alina; nor am I clamouring for more Carmen programs. Just to say that young figure skaters' relation to warhorse skating music like Carmen is not likely the same as that of the "normal" teen.

 

[OS]

Well, last season she had out of the box music for her ex and people criticized it very heavily. I think she performed it quite well if I'm being honest, but people had such great difficulty looking past her costume that I guess they didn't notice.

To be honest though, I don't get why people want out of the box music. Carmen over anything pop or rock or jazz or blues or whatever any day for me.

Well it was certainly out of the voodoo box. She may perform it well, but till this day, I am still confused at what all that was about and my imagination is usually 'above average'.
So far, Alina is looking like the poster child and honoured graduate of my How to hack COP thread. I'd be curious on how much she backload this season, plus how many tanos/rippons. Or will she broke her own mold, which I'd applaud her if such is the case.

I don't know... but another 16 years old all too cheerful gleeful Carmen with red costumes and all too red of a lipstick happy skating would really stuck her in the Junior Skater mode/skating cliche. Even if the European Champions Judges may like them.

Very curious about her Gala now... more animal/supernatural theme?

 

[Jaana]

Wow, it's great that you love Carmen so much. I really like it too. But it's also not that difficult to understand why people would like more variety in musical choices............... This is a creative/artistic sport after all.

Yes, this is a creative/artistic sport, but there is a reason why e.g. "Carmen" has become a so-called war-horse: The music is such, that it makes it possible to create a great artistic choreography.

 

[bewitched]

I will quote myself from Alina's FF:

About Carmen as a LP for Alina - I think it's a good choice for her. Eteri has very strategic thinking when it comes to skating programs and she knows very well that most people think that Alina's weak spot is artistry (I don't agree with this, it's just that being Kitri in DQ doesn't give a big opportunity to express drama and feelings, it's just the type of storyline. Of course Black Swan and Anna Karenina would be much more dramatic characters). So she chooses something that gives Alina the opportunity to show character, playing a bit with the audience.

We were worried that she will get 2 new programs and that it could be overwhelming for her - well, Carmen is again a Spanish theme, she is used to the specifics of this type of skating so there is a mild change but still there is a common element with her old LP. So that Alina feels comfortable with it and not starting from zero in terms of arm positions, getting used to the specific beat of music etc.

Seeing the short videos from Daniil, especially the one with the dramatic pose when she is turning, I think his version of Carmen will be inspired from the ballet Carmen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMcWSYali8
Especially at 2:01 you can spot the foot position of the ballerina, pointing to the ceiling just like Alina's. I think his mother will again be helpful and will prepare Alina for this choreography.
If Alina manages to look and dance like Vishneva, all the PCS points will be hers. ^^

And the fact that they decided to announce the program so early, knowing that the other skaters will find out about this, they did it on purpose. Maybe to make them assume that Alina's program will be a boring warhorse and not to see her as a threat? Or to 'make a reservation', so to say, so that nobody decides to use Carmen this year? I don't know, but Eteri and her team use their brains when doing something and that's why they are now rewarded for it.

 

[shine]

Yes, this is a creative/artistic sport, but there is a reason why e.g. "Carmen" has become a so-called war-horse: The music is such, that it makes it possible to create a great artistic choreography.

It's also called using a formula that has be tested and used over and over and over. Does it work? Sure. But there's nothing inventive or new. Like I said, it's also easier to learn to skate/perform to and easier for audience (including judges) to receive it, hence it being less risky and less challenging. Sorry if I have limited respect for people who only use the tried and true formulas and choose only the easy way out.

 

[TallyT]

It's also called using a formula that has be tested and used over and over and over. Does it work? Sure. But there's nothing inventive or new. Like I said, it's also easier to learn to skate/perform to and easier for audience (including judges) to receive it, hence it being less risky and less challenging. Sorry if I have limited respect for people who only use the tried and true formulas and choose only the easy way out.

To be honest though, I don't get why people want out of the box music. Carmen over anything pop or rock or jazz or blues or whatever any day for me.

This all strikes me as a bit musically snobbish, really... and I yield to few people in my eyerolling at POTO (Yuzu is the only one who can get me to sit still for it)

There is a very good reason why the warhorse music is iniquitous both in skating and outside. People like the music. People love the music. So why should we blame skaters for going for pieces that - for all we know - they themselves like as music, as well as good programs?

On the other hand... saying Carmen over anything in other genres is equally as snobbish in its way. These skaters are all much younger than me and their tastes often do lie in the pop/rock genre so if that's what gets them revved up, all the better, and some of the bluesy or soundtrack (or in a couple of cases, comedy!) ones have made me open up a bit to skaters I previously didn't have any time for, or even to the point where I've been hunting out the actual performers' back log.

 

[Shayuki]

On the other hand... saying Carmen over anything in other genres is equally as snobbish in its way. These skaters are all much younger than me and their tastes often do lie in the pop/rock genre so if that's what gets them revved up, all the better, and some of the bluesy or soundtrack (or in a couple of cases, comedy!) ones have made me open up a bit to skaters I previously didn't have any time for, or even to the point where I've been hunting out the actual performers' back log.

It's my personal opinion, right? I consider every time someone picks instrumental music a bullet dodged. I've disliked absolutely every pop / rock program in figure skating and even ones I haven't hated have been ones where I feel like it could easily be much better with a different choice of music. It doesn't add anything in my opinion. And that doesn't mean that I'd dislike listening to the music itself(Even though that tends to be the case). I just don't think that the genres I listed work with skating.

I have my favorite music that definitely is nothing like Carmen but even though I've listened to it probably 500 times I also absolutely would never want anyone to be skating to Aiwass Aeon. That's just common sense.

 

[TallyT]

It's my personal opinion, right? I consider every time someone picks instrumental music a bullet dodged.

Apologies, I misunderstood that it was the vocals... though to be fair, none of the music mentioned so far on this whole list - or that anyone skated to that I've come across last year - can really be called out of the box. And having some that I love that ohmygod is, I thank the skating gods that it's so

Anyway, Alina's choices... I will wait and see what cuts from Carmen they choose for her, I'm not too hopeful but there is some fabulous stuff in there that doesn't get heard as often.

 

[crankyintheAM]

I consider every time someone picks instrumental music a bullet dodged.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[snowflake]

Seems like a mismatch to me. Two Feet's music is sexy... Jason Brown is not. He can prove me wrong, though.

We'll see :thumbsup:

Just listened to the song, and I have to say that's an intereting choice from Jason. Curious to see the full program :think:

Me too. As digging blues I really like his choice. Exciting to see a new side of Jason. Here is the song with text.

 

[blue eyed birds]

I always thought Jason's "Question of U" SP to be a success that was somewhat overshadowed by "Riverdance," so I'm excited to see him returning to something in the bluesier vein!

 

[NoNameFace]

I am all about Jason making some bold choices, challenging himself presentation/interpretation wise. The song may be 'sexy' (well, depending on how we perceive 'sexy', how literal approach we take onto that...), but this does not discredit Jason from taking on it just because for someone he does not define 'sexy'. But to each on their own, de gustibus and all that jazz. There were already programs supposed to match 'sexiness' of the song and they were nothing but that...

Jason may base his interpretation/presentation/expression on attitude, adapting his movement, choreography to the music, not exactly on emulating 'being sexy' or not - and to be honest, it should never be that way in my opinion to wish skater to emulate vibe/feeling we feel, but to wait for his/her own picture of things. He certainly did well with Prince's 'Question of U' SP, being on more sensual side of musical style and I believe he will come up with something very 'his' about this new program. One thing he has in abundance, regardless if he does programs requiring certain flair/costuming (Hamilton, Riverdance) or more abstract/contemporary touch (Piano, Inner Love), is openness for music and character to be created to it, enthusiasm and energy given into forming an interpretation, storyline of his performance with which many skaters are struggling with or it takes them a long time to 'create' something out of their own identity, not relying solely on choreography design.

 

[Mrs. P]

From their fan fest!

Tarah Kayne and Danny O Shea : "That's It (I'm Crazy)" by Sofi Tukker for their new sp. https://twitter.com/TarahKayne/statu...68273526202368

Sounds like a fun program: https://youtu.be/LtNIAHNv16g

Wow two Sofi Tukker programs this season?!

 

[NoNameFace]

From their fan fest!

Tarah Kayne and Danny O Shea : "That's It (I'm Crazy)" by Sofi Tukker for their new sp. https://twitter.com/TarahKayne/statu...68273526202368

Sounds like a fun program: https://youtu.be/LtNIAHNv16g

Wow two Sofi Tukker programs this season?!

only so far, definitely warhorse potential:cool14:

 

[WeakAnkles]

Re: Sexiness

The Older I get the More I realize the following is true:
Every duck has a lover.

 

[Weathergal]

From their fan fest!

Tarah Kayne and Danny O Shea : "That's It (I'm Crazy)" by Sofi Tukker for their new sp. https://twitter.com/TarahKayne/statu...68273526202368

Sounds like a fun program: https://youtu.be/LtNIAHNv16g

Wow two Sofi Tukker programs this season?!

I realize they have had their warhorse choices (though their "Phantom" was so sincere and well done, I didn't mind hearing Phantom for the 1000th time), but I do think this song is very them. :thumbsup:

 

[xeyra]

Mitsuki Sumoto's new SP seems to be Tosca.

And with that, we got a Bingo!

 

[chopinskate]

Mitsuki Sumoto's new SP seems to be Tosca.

And with that, we got a Bingo!