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why would it be wise? to get it over with?
Evgenia Medvedeva
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why would it be wise? to get it over with?
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Evgenia shouldn't have to tip-toe around anyone's drama or have her opportunities limited because of someone else's *cough* soap opera. She just has to keep her head down and do her thing, which is skate. Brian and his team are well-versed in handling crazed local media and dealing with the intensely obsessive attention their other mega star athletes have received. If they can handle the enormous media frenzy that is Yuzuru Hanyu, then Evgenia should be fine. This is certainly nothing new for them.
And remember, figures like TAT and many others (even Averbubu) took Evgenia's side during the drama, so she's not alone out there.
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Because she needs to, really. The fed has allowed her something exceptional by letting her train in Canada. She needs to prove that she‘s still intending to only perform for Russia (silly, but that’s the way it is) and takes it seriously and it wouldn‘t make a good impression if she simply decided to skip test skates. As if she considered herself above everyone else now that she‘s not in Russia (I know that‘s not the case but that‘s what people would say and I don‘t think she wants the fed to drop their support of her due to something like that) Besides, it will be good to get used to competing against her fellow Russians like Zagitova again. And of course show that she‘s made some improvements, her new FP etc. I think it‘s a very important event for her and I believe Zhenya treats it seriously and wants to go.
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Brian had Yu na. Then Yuzuru. I have to say this is really not that bad in that context; it's old news for them.
Of course she'll participate as she should. She'll go out, skate, do whatever needs to be done and give a bland media statement. Next.
Not going would only needlessly complicate things that aren't that complicated.
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Yeah. If he can handle the insane attention Yuzuru Hanyu gets, he can handle Evgenia Medvedeva, too. And it‘s not like all this drama with Eteri is Zhenya‘s problem. She made a clear statement: She‘s thankful for what Eteri‘s done for her over all those years. Period. I‘m sure she‘ll great her politely and then mind her own business as she usually does and get out and skate. I don‘t think this will affect her too much. Zhenya has handled attention in the past and she has handled drama. We have to remember that it was this girl who got sent to represent all Russian athletes and make a speech on how they should be able to represent their country in the Olympics. If she can do that in a calm, classy manner, she can survive Eteri‘s wrath, too.
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I for one am super happy she's attending the test skates because that means an early peek at the programs! I'm anxious but it a sort of "good" anxious, if you know what I mean 
Also, I'm assuming this also means she's healthy? Since I don't think Brian (nor RusFed, actually) would want her to skate injured again.
Also, I'm assuming this also means she's healthy? Since I don't think Brian (nor RusFed, actually) would want her to skate injured again.
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Seriously though, I don't expect a fuss from either side, they'll all do their thing as professionals and that'll be that.
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And I thought the test skates are only the Free? Not both?
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Seriously though, I don't expect a fuss from either side, they'll all do their thing as professionals and that'll be that.
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And I thought the test skates are only the Free? Not both?
Only free skates, yes.
I think there are both, but only free skates are open to the public. The short programs will be in Novogorsk.
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I'm also really happy the test skates are in Moscow. Evgenia will be able to see her dog, her grandmother and her friends. I think she is going to test skates because she wants to, not because she is forced to. I am sure she cannot wait to skate her new programs. I know I can't wait!
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Sorry that's what I meant. The junior skates were also "closed" but we still got videos, maybe we will see her SP
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JERRY! I hadn't even considered that! Yes, she gets to see her dog!I'm also really happy the test skates are in Moscow. Evgenia will be able to see her dog, her grandmother and her friends. I think she is going to test skates because she wants to, not because she is forced to. I am sure she cannot wait to skate her new programs. I know I can't wait!
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Today I listened to a song again I had constantly listened to during the Olympics. No idea if you know that feeling when suddenly all the memories connect to a certain song and you remember speficially where and when and under which circumstances you listened to it but that‘s what happened for me. And it was kind off a huge shock because I was actually overwhelmed with emotions. (Not just because of the Olympics but because of other things that happened in my life, too)
And that‘s why I rewatched Zhenya‘s and Alina‘s programs again. And as expected, I was still dying with her as Anna Karenina and crying with her in the K&C. But after seeing the scores coming up again and the 2 next to her name and being upset (yes, I still am. :laugh) about it for a while, I actually thought about how the situation‘s now for her. I imagined her sitting in Canada with Jason in the evening, making him try Russian drinks or training on the ice with Brian and David, concentratedly working on her new programs for the season. And I realised that maybe, maybe, the loss might have been for the better. Like, obviously it‘s not good that she lost and it‘s heartbreaking and it was her dream but well... maybe sometimes in life not all dreams work out the way we want them to but as we lose them, we find new possibilities. And I think that‘s what happened here. I don‘t know whether Zhenya would have moved to Canada with the Olympic Gold and we can‘t speculate about that because it‘s not what happened and we‘ll probably never know but what I do know that this silver lead a way to a new country, new international friendships and a new perspective. So yeah. I‘m still sad she didn‘t win Gold in Pyeongchang. But somehow I think I fully accept it now as the way it seems it was supposed to be. For whatever reasons.
And actually, I also thought about something else. Don‘t you think Orser is the perfect coach for her, not only because of his excellence but also because of his own losses? I think we all know he lost the Battle of the Brians. He‘s a two times Olympic Silver Medalist. He never won the Gold. It likely took him quite a lot of years to somehow accept it. But for him it also lead to grand experiences. Yuna Kim, Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Gabby Daleman. He has coached 4 athletes to 5 Olympic Medals, four of them Gold, one Bronze. (Gabby‘s was in the team event and he‘s not her primary coach but I suppose that counts, too) Do you think that would have happened had he won against Boitano? Maybe, maybe not. But his loss let him find a new path in life. I think that can be both a help and an inspiration for Zhenya to have somebody like him around. Because he‘s probably one of the only ones that if he‘s telling her: ”I know what it feels like“ it‘s really true. He had a taste at the Gold but never fully got it. Just like her. Both had entered the Games as the favourites. Both had lost by a tiny, tiny margin. I only ever focused on the obvious things like yaay, Brian‘s gonna fix her flutz and her SS are going to be supreme and her programs and everything... that this never occured to me. I think this could be very, very comforting for her mental health and help her keep the outstanding mental strength she has to keep going.
(And I‘m getting over-emotional again. Excuse me, I can‘t stop myself from writing literal novels when this happens.
)
And that‘s why I rewatched Zhenya‘s and Alina‘s programs again. And as expected, I was still dying with her as Anna Karenina and crying with her in the K&C. But after seeing the scores coming up again and the 2 next to her name and being upset (yes, I still am. :laugh) about it for a while, I actually thought about how the situation‘s now for her. I imagined her sitting in Canada with Jason in the evening, making him try Russian drinks or training on the ice with Brian and David, concentratedly working on her new programs for the season. And I realised that maybe, maybe, the loss might have been for the better. Like, obviously it‘s not good that she lost and it‘s heartbreaking and it was her dream but well... maybe sometimes in life not all dreams work out the way we want them to but as we lose them, we find new possibilities. And I think that‘s what happened here. I don‘t know whether Zhenya would have moved to Canada with the Olympic Gold and we can‘t speculate about that because it‘s not what happened and we‘ll probably never know but what I do know that this silver lead a way to a new country, new international friendships and a new perspective. So yeah. I‘m still sad she didn‘t win Gold in Pyeongchang. But somehow I think I fully accept it now as the way it seems it was supposed to be. For whatever reasons.
And actually, I also thought about something else. Don‘t you think Orser is the perfect coach for her, not only because of his excellence but also because of his own losses? I think we all know he lost the Battle of the Brians. He‘s a two times Olympic Silver Medalist. He never won the Gold. It likely took him quite a lot of years to somehow accept it. But for him it also lead to grand experiences. Yuna Kim, Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Gabby Daleman. He has coached 4 athletes to 5 Olympic Medals, four of them Gold, one Bronze. (Gabby‘s was in the team event and he‘s not her primary coach but I suppose that counts, too) Do you think that would have happened had he won against Boitano? Maybe, maybe not. But his loss let him find a new path in life. I think that can be both a help and an inspiration for Zhenya to have somebody like him around. Because he‘s probably one of the only ones that if he‘s telling her: ”I know what it feels like“ it‘s really true. He had a taste at the Gold but never fully got it. Just like her. Both had entered the Games as the favourites. Both had lost by a tiny, tiny margin. I only ever focused on the obvious things like yaay, Brian‘s gonna fix her flutz and her SS are going to be supreme and her programs and everything... that this never occured to me. I think this could be very, very comforting for her mental health and help her keep the outstanding mental strength she has to keep going.
(And I‘m getting over-emotional again. Excuse me, I can‘t stop myself from writing literal novels when this happens.
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Today I listened to a song again I had constantly listened to during the Olympics. No idea if you know that feeling when suddenly all the memories connect to a certain song and you remember speficially where and when and under which circumstances you listened to it but that‘s what happened for me. And it was kind off a huge shock because I was actually overwhelmed with emotions. (Not just because of the Olympics but because of other things that happened in my life, too)
And that‘s why I rewatched Zhenya‘s and Alina‘s programs again. And as expected, I was still dying with her as Anna Karenina and crying with her in the K&C. But after seeing the scores coming up again and the 2 next to her name and being upset (yes, I still am. :laugh) about it for a while, I actually thought about how the situation‘s now for her. I imagined her sitting in Canada with Jason in the evening, making him try Russian drinks or training on the ice with Brian and David, concentratedly working on her new programs for the season. And I realised that maybe, maybe, the loss might have been for the better. Like, obviously it‘s not good that she lost and it‘s heartbreaking and it was her dream but well... maybe sometimes in life not all dreams work out the way we want them to but as we lose them, we find new possibilities. And I think that‘s what happened here. I don‘t know whether Zhenya would have moved to Canada with the Olympic Gold and we can‘t speculate about that because it‘s not what happened and we‘ll probably never know but what I do know that this silver lead a way to a new country, new international friendships and a new perspective. So yeah. I‘m still sad she didn‘t win Gold in Pyeongchang. But somehow I think I fully accept it now as the way it seems it was supposed to be. For whatever reasons.
And actually, I also thought about something else. Don‘t you think Orser is the perfect coach for her, not only because of his excellence but also because of his own losses? I think we all know he lost the Battle of the Brians. He‘s a two times Olympic Silver Medalist. He never won the Gold. It likely took him quite a lot of years to somehow accept it. But for him it also lead to grand experiences. Yuna Kim, Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Gabby Daleman. He has coached 4 athletes to 5 Olympic Medals, four of them Gold, one Bronze. (Gabby‘s was in the team event and he‘s not her primary coach but I suppose that counts, too) Do you think that would have happened had he won against Boitano? Maybe, maybe not. But his loss let him find a new path in life. I think that can be both a help and an inspiration for Zhenya to have somebody like him around. Because he‘s probably one of the only ones that if he‘s telling her: ”I know what it feels like“ it‘s really true. He had a taste at the Gold but never fully got it. Just like her. Both had entered the Games as the favourites. Both had lost by a tiny, tiny margin. I only ever focused on the obvious things like yaay, Brian‘s gonna fix her flutz and her SS are going to be supreme and her programs and everything... that this never occured to me. I think this could be very, very comforting for her mental health and help her keep the outstanding mental strength she has to keep going.
(And I‘m getting over-emotional again. Excuse me, I can‘t stop myself from writing literal novels when this happens.
[emoji7]this post. Agree with everything
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Today I listened to a song again I had constantly listened to during the Olympics. No idea if you know that feeling when suddenly all the memories connect to a certain song and you remember speficially where and when and under which circumstances you listened to it but that‘s what happened for me. And it was kind off a huge shock because I was actually overwhelmed with emotions. (Not just because of the Olympics but because of other things that happened in my life, too)
And that‘s why I rewatched Zhenya‘s and Alina‘s programs again. And as expected, I was still dying with her as Anna Karenina and crying with her in the K&C. But after seeing the scores coming up again and the 2 next to her name and being upset (yes, I still am. :laugh) about it for a while, I actually thought about how the situation‘s now for her. I imagined her sitting in Canada with Jason in the evening, making him try Russian drinks or training on the ice with Brian and David, concentratedly working on her new programs for the season. And I realised that maybe, maybe, the loss might have been for the better. Like, obviously it‘s not good that she lost and it‘s heartbreaking and it was her dream but well... maybe sometimes in life not all dreams work out the way we want them to but as we lose them, we find new possibilities. And I think that‘s what happened here. I don‘t know whether Zhenya would have moved to Canada with the Olympic Gold and we can‘t speculate about that because it‘s not what happened and we‘ll probably never know but what I do know that this silver lead a way to a new country, new international friendships and a new perspective. So yeah. I‘m still sad she didn‘t win Gold in Pyeongchang. But somehow I think I fully accept it now as the way it seems it was supposed to be. For whatever reasons.
And actually, I also thought about something else. Don‘t you think Orser is the perfect coach for her, not only because of his excellence but also because of his own losses? I think we all know he lost the Battle of the Brians. He‘s a two times Olympic Silver Medalist. He never won the Gold. It likely took him quite a lot of years to somehow accept it. But for him it also lead to grand experiences. Yuna Kim, Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Gabby Daleman. He has coached 4 athletes to 5 Olympic Medals, four of them Gold, one Bronze. (Gabby‘s was in the team event and he‘s not her primary coach but I suppose that counts, too) Do you think that would have happened had he won against Boitano? Maybe, maybe not. But his loss let him find a new path in life. I think that can be both a help and an inspiration for Zhenya to have somebody like him around. Because he‘s probably one of the only ones that if he‘s telling her: ”I know what it feels like“ it‘s really true. He had a taste at the Gold but never fully got it. Just like her. Both had entered the Games as the favourites. Both had lost by a tiny, tiny margin. I only ever focused on the obvious things like yaay, Brian‘s gonna fix her flutz and her SS are going to be supreme and her programs and everything... that this never occured to me. I think this could be very, very comforting for her mental health and help her keep the outstanding mental strength she has to keep going.
(And I‘m getting over-emotional again. Excuse me, I can‘t stop myself from writing literal novels when this happens.
I just don't want her to hurt and feel empty if she never wins an Olympic gold medal. I want her to look back on her career with fondness and satisfaction, not bitterness and regret. I think the surest way to achieve that is by winning the gold, so I'm all for her returning in 2022 and achieving her dream, but if she doesn't, I don't want the pain to linger and eat at her for the rest of her life. That really bothers me. :sad21:
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Yes but that‘s exactly why I‘m happy she‘s with Brian now. Because that‘s exactly what happened to him. I wasn‘t around to witness the Battle of the Brians but I read interviews and articles with Orser and he said he couldn‘t even watch his FP for about 10 years because it haunted him that much to never have won the Gold. I desperately, desperately want this OGM for Zhenya and I will be rooting for her all the way and cheer her on with every step she takes on the ice, every spin, every jump, every fall. But I think we all know that there might be a chance she will never get that OGM. And that‘s why I feel someone like Brian could help her realise that she is ALREADY one of the greatest and that yes, you can have a great life and a great career and great success even without the OGM. I don‘t think an experience like this ever ”fully lets you go“. As in - I can‘t confirm it of course - I believe that Orser still sometimes thinks about Calgary but not in the way he did years ago. Zhenya will think about the Pyeongchang Olympics forever, too. And while there will probably always be the pang of not having won the Gold there‘s also so much more: the Olympic moment, the incredible skates she put out despite being injured, the fact that she even made it to the Olympics with all the stones that were thrown in her way (all the Russian-doping-issue-drama and her foot injury), the Team Event. I think there is so much more to this Olympic Dream than “just“ the Gold. Of course, Olympic Gold is the biggest goal of all but if someone could help her should she not win an OGM, it would be Brian. Because he‘s been through this and look at how his life turn out.
Still. That‘s pretty far away, really. Because, well, 4 years are a lot of time. A lot of things can change. And it‘s not like everything‘s lost, not at all. I still believe Zhenya has a shot at the Gold and I wish her to have an Aljona-moment. I want it so badly for her. She deserves it so much. So, I‘d say our duty is to cheer Zhenya on on her way and support & celebrate her. She‘s not done yet. She can do a lot of things. And just because it went this way for Brian doesn‘t mean it will be the same for her, too. Just in case... if... well, if - he‘ll be there for her and support her in a way Eteri couldn‘t. (not to bash her I don‘t think anybody who hasn’t experienced the same really could)
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I'm so glad you joined this forum! :2thumbs:
Regarding Olympics I just want to add one thing. Zhenya’s skate was one of those silver worth moments which outshined the golden medalist. Alina’s accomplishment was amazing and her FS was extremely demanding BUT it was Evgenia’s Anna Karenina people were talking about afterwards. When I ask my non figure skating fans about Olympics they remember Evgenia and S/M. Recently I read an interview with Kailani Craine who named Aljona’s gold and Evgenia’s FS the most emotional moments she witnessed on ice.
I’m looking forward to Zhenya’s development. I think new rules might be in her favour especially if she fixes her lutz edge and gets better ice coverage on jumps. Right now all we can do is to wait till test skates
I’m looking forward to Zhenya’s development. I think new rules might be in her favour especially if she fixes her lutz edge and gets better ice coverage on jumps. Right now all we can do is to wait till test skates
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