Senior Ladies Need To Up The Age Requirement

[Gabby30]

Well we don't know that but she has as much chance as anyone else at this point.


People were writing Alina off already after her Olympic winning season and she's had the last laugh on that one!

Alina? No, she didn't. She only got a lot of help from the judges.

 

[Fool]

The concern trolling

No changes in the age limit will send Trusova or Shcherbakova back to juniors. It will only prevent future quadsters like Kamila Valieva and Alysa Liu (the only junior ladies to attempt and land quads in JGP) from entering seniors when they are scheduled.

 

[Gabby30]

I think there should be different weight categories, just like in box and some other sports. In a sport like figure skating, everything depends on your body, it's nothing new. That's why current competitions are not fair, because skaters don't have equal chances.
And if you think this might be dangerous because skaters are prone to eating disorders- Yulia got a eating disorder because of the tiny girls in Russia and because she knew she only has a chance if she stays thin.
Different weight categories would be a more fair and healthy solution for different body types

 

[Gabby30]

The concern trolling

No changes in the age limit will send Trusova or Shcherbakova back to juniors. It will only prevent future quadsters like Kamila Valieva and Alysa Liu (the only junior ladies to attempt and land quads in JGP) from entering seniors when they are scheduled.

Their (cheated) "quads" are only valid if they still can land them at 17

 

[Mishaminion]

Here's what everyone here is missing --- Tara Lipinski got the gold and took off --- Alina Zagitova is gonna roll once she hits that growth spurt --- all these girls --- whether they started at 4 or not --- are going to hit a growth spurt and be lost --- yulia lupsnitskaya and Caroline zhang ring a bell?

Zagitova has already been through puberty and is looking good.

 

[Mishaminion]

I think there should be different weight categories, just like in box and some other sports. In a sport like figure skating, everything depends on your body, it's nothing new. That's why current competitions are not fair, because skaters don't have equal chances.
And if you think this might be dangerous because skaters are prone to eating disorders- Yulia got a eating disorder because of the tiny girls in Russia and because she knew she only has a chance if she stays thin.
Different weight categories would be a more fair and healthy solution for different body types

Okay now you're definitely just trolling.

This is probably the worst idea I've ever heard in a sport where eating disorders and mental issues regarding body image are already rampant.

Just stop already

 

[Mishaminion]

Their (cheated) "quads" are only valid if they still can land them at 17

What are you talking about? Check the records, Trusova and Shcherbakova have valid records for their quad achievements.

 

[karne]

I think there should be different weight categories, just like in box and some other sports. In a sport like figure skating, everything depends on your body, it's nothing new. That's why current competitions are not fair, because skaters don't have equal chances.
And if you think this might be dangerous because skaters are prone to eating disorders- Yulia got a eating disorder because of the tiny girls in Russia and because she knew she only has a chance if she stays thin.
Different weight categories would be a more fair and healthy solution for different body types

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I think it's time this thread was noped.

 

[ruga]

I don't think that body shape is the only thing that determines your success. Skaters with way different appearance can land difficult jumps - I don't see a reason why we would have to separate Tuktamysheva and Zagitova from Trusova and Miyahara. That's why I like this sport - skaters of different body types and ages are represented. Yes, there are three new kids from Russia, but it's an exception, not a rule - three skaters of same age and talent are only born once in a century.

A better way to tackle certain problems that arise with new seniors is reforming the way PCS is scored. First of all, keep juniors and seniors on the same standard. It seems that juniors are capped at 66-67 even if 80 is the maximum they're supposed to get. It just confuses everyone how one year a skater can get 7s and next year immediately 8s and 9s. Secondly, separate technical judging from components judging. Judges don't have much time to properly evaluate neither artistry nor GOE so part of the score comes from consistency and base value.

 

[Gabby30]

Anyway, some might celebrate Trusova and co. and the unfair competition where children are being called "women" and have a huge advantage because of their small prepubescent build, but i lost interest in ladies figure skating because of it. It's not worth watching anymore

 

[neud]

There is already Adult Figure Skating Competitions. Enjoy!

 

[Mishaminion]

Artistry/PCS is inherently impossible to score properly because unlike a set value for technical elements, it is subjective. It was no different during the 6.0 system, judges often went with giving higher second marks to skaters landing the most difficult jumps.
When Tonya Harding and Midori Ito were landing 3A and skating clean they got 5.9s for artistry.

 

[Mishaminion]

There is already Adult Figure Skating Competitions. Enjoy!

Thankyou for pointing that out.

There's the adults skating without throwing quads around that some people are looking for.

 

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Anyway, some might celebrate Trusova and co. and the unfair competition where children are being called "women" and have a huge advantage because of their small prepubescent build, but i lost interest in ladies figure skating because of it. It's not worth watching anymore

I and many others here applaud your decision!

 

[nussnacker]

mods, where you at.

 

[Mishaminion]

Anyway, some might celebrate Trusova and co. and the unfair competition where children are being called "women" and have a huge advantage because of their small prepubescent build, but i lost interest in ladies figure skating because of it. It's not worth watching anymore

So what is the problem? Stop complaining about it and don't watch something you do not like.

There are lots of little young skaters out there and only very few of those are able to do quads, it is not just body type that matters but natural talent and training.

I don't understand how it is unfair, it is a sport, the very point of it is to be better than your opponents to win.
Do you sit around complaining that some sprinters run too fast and it is unfair on the others?

 

[dorispulaski]

This is a problem that will solve itself.

If the only way to do a quad or triple Axel were to be tiny and extremely thin, men would be unable to do them. And, for that matter, Midori Ito and Tonya Harding would never have been able to do triple Axels, as they had average BMIs and were not tiny.

There was a time in gymnastics when it was mostly very young, very tiny ladies. Now you have Simone Biles, doing harder skills every year, rotating more times and vaulting higher and further than ever, at the age of 22.

In time, the older ladies and their coaches will figure out how to train to develop more strength and power, to overcome the disadvantage of not being young and tiny any more.

Chances are, one of the youngsters doing quads now will be the one to first solve the problem.

But for me, I have always preferred ice dance anyway

 

[lariko]

Those fifteen year olds are anything but little girls. They have mental fortitude, life experience and body conditioning that you don’t normally find. Hence, medals. They were exceptional in juniors, they’re exceptional in seniors, just like other skaters, both male and female, were before them & will be after them.

 

[Joekaz]

I don't get the obsession with quads anyway. They are not more exciting than a 3LT or 2A. Most people don't even see the difference between a triple and quad. It's the media hyping up those jumps and people only jump on that hype wagon. It's funny how until now skaters with only triples were called the "greatest", and now all of a sudden skaters without quads are being bashed.
And no, 15 yo very thin girls doing quads is NOT "pushing the sport." What kind of influence is this going to have on other skaters who don't have the same build?

Maybe a good compromise would be to have a minimum bodyfat requirement to protect the girl's health and level the playing field somewhat. Also crack down on pre rotation. Maybe even have deductions for too high rotation speed and lack of jump height. But as in most sports there will always be some inherent advantage to people with freakish extreme bodies of various types depending on the sport.

 

[doublequad]

this s\is an amusing thread