Senior Ladies Need To Up The Age Requirement

[lzxnl]

Why has 'technical difficulty' in figure skating been restricted to jumps? Surely there are other ways of making the sport difficult too. We could reward those as well.

 

[Mishaminion]

And the winner for officially missing my points in two posts is.....


I JUMPED AND DANCED. This is not hard to see that I am not criticizing jumps, but it's also not going to hurt anyone to develop real skating skills along with them.

Thanks for the history lesson of my sport that I was a part of LOL!

Why use derogatory terms like "jump fanatics" then?

I jumped and danced too xDDD

I jumped until I was diagnosed with a couple of progressive genetic/hereditary conditions. I tried dance for awhile after that because I could not jump anymore, until my worsening mobility ended my ability to skate at all.
I firmly believe skaters should take every chance they have for success because you just don't know what might happen, and possibly never see your dreams come true.
I never did.

 

[Mishaminion]

Why has 'technical difficulty' in figure skating been restricted to jumps? Surely there are other ways of making the sport difficult too. We could reward those as well.

They are rewarded. There are points for other technical elements

 

[Nightcrawler]

Why has 'technical difficulty' in figure skating been restricted to jumps? Surely there are other ways of making the sport difficult too. We could reward those as well.

We do. Look at Jason Brown's career who has yet to land a quad. He's doing pretty well tech wise.

 

[Edwin]

Without positive medical proof of presumed lasting damage to young (female) bodies, no motion to raise the age limit will pass on any medical grounds, and it has to be raised for men too and in all disciplines, otherwise it'll be gender discrimination.

The powerful federations all have young athletes in play, many Russians, including Zagitova at 17, but also Kihira at 17 and several young Koreans who have chances at medalling in GPF and WC this year.

Not to forget Alysa Liu, who will turn senior too at 15. An emergency age raise or quads ban for ladies singles will never get passed by USFS.

The other federations just have to catch up with successfully implementing triksels and quads, applying the Tutberidze Effect isn't rocket science, it just takes a mid-long term planning, perseverance and dedication to get the same results.

Why is this discussion concentrating on girls and women?

 

[koatcue]

Hello, Mishaminion. Just official greetings from me. I like your commenting more and more, I say:yes:

 

[Mishaminion]

Hello, Mishaminion. Just official greetings from me. I like your commenting more and more, I say:yes:

Wow thankyou!

 

[ancientpeas]

I am not pro raising the age but I could be pursued to raise it to 16. 18 is unreasonable in my opinion.

I am assuming all the angst is over Trusova huge TES scores? It is what it is. Her PCS scores are too high but her TES scores are fair. Within the current rules she is the deserving winner. The ISU will either change those rules or they won't. It will depend on how the members vote.

Will Trusova be able to do these jumps when she is 17 or 18? Who knows. I hope so. She has good height. Maybe she is just naturally gifted. I'm sure she will improve artistically and with her performance ability. One thing I never doubt is that Eteri's ladies work hard on their skills.

I think what most of us who love skaters like Jason and Satoko have had to accept is that if someone goes out and nails a 4 quad program even if it is bit blah musically and uninspired artistically that the skater with the quads is going to win. It is a sport. What is painful is when the 4 quad performer stumbles around on their jumps, does terrible spins and footwork and somehow ends up with similar PCS marks to the better artistic skater.

Age isn't the problem. The skater should be judged on what they put out on the ice. Normally the older performers are the ones who are better at the INT, PER, Musicality part of the PCS marks (not always though) and that should be something in their favour.

Alena K is only 15 and if she walks away with the World title this year I will have no problem with it at all. She is a complete package skater. If Trusova outskates her (or Rika or Anna or Alina) then I hope they win but it isn't an age issue for me. I just want the best skater to win. And I want it to be just fairly. Give the TES to the people who have the best technical abilities, give the PCS to the ones with the most artistic skill. It really isn't that hard.

 

[Mishaminion]

Why are quads not allowed in the Ladies SP? The 3A is
I ask this because I can't see why they shouldn't be, seems somewhat unfair to allow them in the LP but not SP. Even if it was restricted to just one.

 

[el henry]

I don't know why a limitation is unfair, if it is applied to all skaters?

Or is this "the rule affects my favorite skater and therefore I don't like it"?

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Why use derogatory terms like "jump fanatics" then?

I jumped and danced too xDDD

I jumped until I was diagnosed with a couple of progressive genetic/hereditary conditions. I tried dance for awhile after that because I could not jump anymore, until my worsening mobility ended my ability to skate at all.
I firmly believe skaters should take every chance they have for success because you just don't know what might happen, and possibly never see your dreams come true.
I never did.

Because jump only fanatics DO exist. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist period.

I'm sorry to hear about your condition, my hip and knee is not what it used to be from all of the triples.

 

[Mishaminion]

Because jump only fanatics DO exist. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist period.

I'm sorry to hear about your condition, my hip is not what it used to be from all of the triples.

I like almost all aspects of skating, jumps are my favourite but they're not the holy grail lol.

I still have my last pair of skates in near perfect condition, refuse to sell or give them away even though I cannot use them...it is a bit silly but they have sentimental value.

 

[Mishaminion]

I don't know why a limitation is unfair, if it is applied to all skaters?

Or is this "the rule affects my favorite skater and therefore I don't like it"?

It seems Trusova and Shcherbakova don't really need an SP quad and I'm not suggesting the rule is changed to allow them.
Just that the argument works both ways, for those saying anyone having quads is unfair and they get too much ot an advantage...it can be pointed out that they can't do them in the SP so that is not entirely true.
It lead me to wonder why they're not permitted despite the fact they are in the free, technically they have been for years.

 

[koatcue]

Because jump only fanatics DO exist. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist period.

Why stop it there though? SS fanatics are increasing in number as well if not more. It is quite convenient to put this argument everywhere nowadays, even before watching the skate itself

 

[el henry]

A proud SS fanatic

Who would love to increase the value of this difficult athletic feat :agree:

 

[el henry]

It seems Trusova and Shcherbakova don't really need an SP quad and I'm not suggesting the rule is changed to allow them.
Just that the argument works both ways, for those saying anyone having quads is unfair and they get too much ot an advantage...it can be pointed out that they can't do them in the SP so that is not entirely true.
It lead me to wonder why they're not permitted despite the fact they are in the free, technically they have been for years.

Yes, I agree I would not use the term “unfair”.

I would argue that the weight now given to jumps does not accurately account for the incredible athleticism for other aspects of skating a singles program. And I would argue that you shouldn’t need to be a Jason Brown, and have Jason’s rep, to receive the PCS scores deserved for a program without quad jumps.

I truly shake my head at what I see as the quad PCS bump. I have no problem at all with a lovely jump getting all the TES in the world, and PCS, if integrated into a program.

 

[ancientpeas]

I don't know why a limitation is unfair, if it is applied to all skaters?

Or is this "the rule affects my favorite skater and therefore I don't like it"?

When did they stop forcing the ladies to do a double jump in the SP? Wasn't that the requirement for years and years? A different double jump. Like this year it's the loop and next year it's the flip.

I think the rule was in place simply because none of the ladies were doing the quad so it wasn't an issue. Now it is. I think they will have to allow it now.

 

[rollerblade]

I truly shake my head at what I see as the quad PCS bump. I have no problem at all with a lovely jump getting all the TES in the world, and PCS, if integrated into a program.

Yea this is the crux of the problem. That, and PCS corridor.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Why stop it there though? SS fanatics are increasing in number as well if not more. It is quite convenient to put this argument everywhere nowadays, even before watching the skate itself

I've always been a SS fanatic, so nothing new there lol!

Why don't you ask the jump people that open multiple threads a day here why they do it? Because there aren't that many SS ones, that's for sure.

I hope you enjoy your popcorn.

 

[b-man]

And all that because of quads.

Quads, ??? I don't remember Julia or Elena R. doing quads, nor the skaters who replaced them, Eugenia/ Alina.