2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[yume]

Can't Eteri raise her own stars? I understand that luring skaters with all triples and 3-3 combos from Panova (Tarakanova, Kanysheva), Volkov (Trusova), Davydov (Rubcova), etc, etc is easy in her positon but it's more gratifying to have someone on your own...

She did.
Lipnitskaia
Medvedeva
Zagitova
Shcherbakova
Euros, worlds, olympics medalists who came to her when they hadn't triples or 3-3s. Her most medaled student and Russia's darling (Medvedeva) learned everything with her.

 

[Amei]

Everyone whine about Russian drama, especially Eteri + Plushy being children. But i see that everyone love it actually.

Could we perhaps get a thread opened and dedicated to coaching drama or Eteri vs. Plushenko?

 

[lopsilceci]

Can't Eteri raise her own stars? I understand that luring skaters with all triples and 3-3 combos from Panova (Tarakanova, Kanysheva), Volkov (Trusova), Davydov (Rubcova), etc, etc is easy in her positon but it's more gratifying to have someone on your own...

This argument, when used against Eteri and in favour of Plushenko would only make sense in one of these scenarios:

- If Eteri ever "lures" a current top skater/champion to her team.
- If one of Plushenko's novice or junior students ever grows up to be champion among seniors.

None of those things have happened yet, so I don't see how this argument can be valid.

What Plushenko has to prove right now is that he's capable of keeping his two senior skaters at the top, where Eteri left them. He also needs to prove that he can raise a young promising skater to the top as a senior.
Eteri, on the other hand, has to prove that she's capable of helping her current senior skaters stay competitive, while also raising her multiple junior skaters and helping them become succesful seniors.

 

[Vandevska]

She did.
Lipnitskaia
Medvedeva
Zagitova
Shcherbakova
Euros, worlds, olympics medalists who came to her when they hadn't triples or 3-3s. Her most medaled student and Russia's darling (Medvedeva) learned everything with her.

Except Shcherbakova was told to go and learn the triples and come back.

It still can't be denied how good of a coach she is, even though I don't agree with everything of her.

 

[yume]

Except Shcherbakova was told to go and learn the triples and come back.

It still can't be denied how good of a coach she is, even though I don't agree with everything of her.

Yes but she came back and learned 3-3s.
I think that saying that Eteri had more work to do with her skaters isn't false and yes she knows how to get results.

No many had a big jump arsenal + reputation as good foundations for results when she took them. Most even if they had triples were finishing out of podiums. She had to make them get 3-3s and consistents.
Plushy got Sotnikova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Konstantinova, Trusova, Kostornaya. All names already known, skaters developped by other coaches and who had already gotten good results.

Eteri never even got senior ladies. Unless you consider Medvedeva.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

To be fair, her second T in a combo wasn't that good ether. It is not certainly bad as the one in the first combo and it doesn't look as a toeaxel. So, i wouldn't say it is a mistake she made often. But she is certainly not very good in attaching Toeloop as a second jump.

Me neither Give me loop combos any day! Well, single loop combos
I think her brother also has iffy toe combos sometimes, not much flow out of the first jump.
Anyway it's alright, hopefully she learns eventually. Still doing OK for a kid from a lower-profile club/coach (I even forgot the name already).

 

[plushyfan]

Yes but she came back and learned 3-3s.
I think that saying that Eteri had more work to do with her skaters isn't false and yes she knows how to get results.

No many had a big jump arsenal + reputation as good foundations for results when she took them. Most even if they had triples were finishing out of podiums. She had to make them get 3-3s and consistents.
Plushy got Sotnikova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Konstantinova, Trusova, Kostornaya. All names already known, skaters developped by other coaches and who had already gotten good results.

Eteri never even got senior ladies. Unless you consider Medvedeva.

If I right remember Sima had the best senior season with Plushenko. Tarakanova had almost same results as with Eteri. Sotnikova was injured continously. Konstantonova's coach is Volkov, not Plushenko. Ryabova's regular coach is Volkov.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

To be fair, her second T in a combo wasn't that good ether. It is not certainly bad as the one in the first combo and it doesn't look as a toeaxel. So, i wouldn't say it is a mistake she made often. But she is certainly not very good in attaching Toeloop as a second jump.

I think it's safe to say her toeloop technique isnt the best, but she usually doesn't have a full on toe axel - rather a toeloop that could have a tendancy towards being a minor toeaxel when not in ideal circumstances

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I think it's safe to say her toeloop technique isnt the best, but she usually doesn't have a full on toe axel - rather a toeloop that could have a tendancy towards being a minor toeaxel when not in ideal circumstances

Yes, when landing of the first jump is not ideal, what FF said. That doesn't mean her toeloop can't look more/less fine.
Also, the other interesting thing i saw in those protocols is that in the protocol for one skater you can see a flat edge sign for both flip and lutz. Skaters usually have a flat edge on one of those jump if the other one is their 'better' jump, but this situation is happening too I mean, i spotted (in a 'real time') flat edge in one of Akatieva's lutzes, but i didn't give ! sign for one of her flip too (and she was not the only one with that kind of a protocol).

 

[yume]

If I right remember Sima had the best senior season with Plushenko. Tarakanova had almost same results as with Eteri. Sotnikova was injured continously. Konstantonova's coach is Volkov, not Plushenko. Ryabova's regular coach is Volkov.

Yes, i guess that we can call that doing better with Sima, having good results. After two rocky seasons, she got two challengers medals + a 9th place at Rusnats. She would have done better with Turenko if she could have competed at nats imo.

IIRC Tarakanova got in jgpf thanks to ending in the sole jgp where neither Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaya and Kanysheva were competing. Despite a 4th place at jgpf yeah it was almost the same than with Eteri.

Is it Volkov who made all the work to get Konstantinova or AoP?

Sotnikova was chasing after her money.

 

[Hyena]

Could we perhaps get a thread opened and dedicated to coaching drama or Eteri vs. Plushenko?

Seriously. This has nothing to do with the actual skaters anymore, other than making me increasingly concerned for young athletes who spend so much time around coaches who clearly are lacking in maturity, professionalism, and plain good judgement.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes, i guess that we can call that doing better with Sima, having good results. After two rocky seasons, she got two challengers medals + a 9th place at Rusnats. She would have done better with Turenko if she could have competed at nats imo.

IIRC Tarakanova got in jgpf thanks to ending in the sole jgp where neither Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaya and Kanysheva were not competing. Despite a 4th place at jgpf yeah it was almost the same than with Eteri.

Is it Volkov who made all the work to get Konstantinova or AoP?

If I right remember Konstantinova had no other option only the AoP. Volkov is her regular coach and his Canadian wife was the choreographer of the programs.

Sotnikova was chasing after her money.

No, this is very unfair to her. She tried to compete but she was always injured. In summer of 2018 she was in the training camp in Bulgaria she was very happy and optimistic. She got injured on her unkle on the second day. She became very depressive the little skaters comforted her in the room. She went back to Moscow after that.

 

[Scott512]

lmao Tutberidze is really scrapping the bottom barrel for this fight. Literally anyone can offer anyone to train at their academy. How's that luring? there was not even talk about funding, sponsorships or shows in that msg. Also, the fact that Alina willingly showed this text msg to be used in this feud just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth esp because there's literally nothing wrong in that text.

Also, this whole talk of taking 'readymade' skaters instead of forming your own is so absurd. A coach doesn't need to coach you from the cradle to say that they had a hand in your success. Look at Koylada, thriving now under Mishin, how absurd would it be to say Mishin lured him away or Mishin took a 'readymade skater'. There are only so many seniors and juniors that can compete at a certain period, there's no way to think that all of them are now stuck with their coaches just because they have now been made. I think people forget a lot that the sport is about the ATHLETES, not the coaches.

Thriving under Mishin? I don't think so.

And yeah it looks bad for a coach if they can't coach their youngsters into elite skaters and champions but instead have to shall I say purchase them from someone else already ready made. Plushie is doing this perfectly making a name for himself as a coach recruiting top talent already made skaters from the best coach in the world. It will be interesting to see if he still continues to do that with the ladies discipline.

Oh come on are you kidding me?

Alexei Yagudin that Olympic champion told Adam Rippon to curl up and die because he's gay and supports trans rights.

Why is it whatever Plushy does it's automatically the worst thing that's ever been done by anyone in history?

If Alina doesn't want to go to the Academy she doesn't have to, no-one's forcing her, just say no like she did.

Why are Team TUT so jumpy about this anyway? Are they afraid they can't keep their skaters on their own?

By the way in order to view that story from their team you had to confirm you were viewing it. Like they want to keep tabs on who looks at it. What the Hell is that? Apart from creepy as anything.

You pose an interesting question and obviously they are very touchy about having their skaters that they took from nothing to greatness poached. But don't worry there are still Anna KV Dasha Maya and Sofia on the conveyor belt of TT for PA to choose from.
And if someone ever poaches Titova away from Plushenko I better not hear one goddamn complaint about it!

Why don't kids go to Davydov? He's one of the top coaches in Russia right now. He's in Moscow as well so it's not like you have to change your life like it would be to go to St Petersburg.

As for Alina she is not an attention seeker she gets attention on her dime when she's doing promotion or appearances or advertisements. Or winning gold silver or bronze medals.

Just reading this one page makes me want to have a beer or two.

 

[Scott512]

She did.
Lipnitskaia
Medvedeva
Zagitova
Shcherbakova
Euros, worlds, olympics medalists who came to her when they hadn't triples or 3-3s. Her most medaled student and Russia's darling (Medvedeva) learned everything with her.

And Aliona was a mediocre Junior at 13 and finish 17th in Russian Junior Nationals then she came to EG and TT and a few months later she was third in Russian senior Nationals at 14. Then goes on to be the best skater in the world. Gee I wondered how that happened. I'm glad she's such a great and special skater and that better continue at PA. I want no regression in aliona this season.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

Thriving under Mishin? I don't think so.

You either follow nobody except the Russian ladies, or you've had a few beers already.
Go watch Kolyada's long programme at test skates, then come back and comment. Or don't, whatever suits you

 

[renebaebae]

Thriving under Mishin? I don't think so.

And yeah it looks bad for a coach if they can't coach their youngsters into elite skaters and champions but instead have to shall I say purchase them from someone else already ready made. Plushie is doing this perfectly making a name for himself as a coach recruiting top talent already made skaters from the best coach in the world. It will be interesting to see if he still continues to do that with the ladies discipline.

Why don't you think so? Lol or did you just say that without knowing anything about Kolyada?

Also people are forgetting how new Plushenkos school is. It's literally impossible for him to have coached someone from childhood to become a champion because they won't even be old enough yet lol. His youngsters are doing really well if that's anything to go by. Kovalev just won both Moscow's and Sryzan's comps and Titova is doing so well and won a bunch of comps last season beating even the tutberidze students. So maybe time with tell how good his school will be.

 

[Pantsu]

But what is your point? Aliona said there was no list in all translations....

My point is that i am wasting my time
You people see right there in front of you how "fans" manipulate Kostornaya words to fit their agenda
And you don't bother asking why

Let me tell you one last time. The words matter. They change the gist changes
People say the words she said when they can't deny something. They damn sure know that person is right

 

[lopsilceci]

You either follow nobody except the Russian ladies, or you've had a few beers already.
Go watch Kolyada's long programme at test skates, then come back and comment. Or don't, whatever suits you

I believe in Misha 2.0 but this was just at test skates. His problem under the old team was the lack of consistency in competition.

 

[Yuna Luna]

Plushenko’s school is only 3 years old, so I think it doesn’t make much sense to compare his coaching track record with Eteri’s.

Re: Alina’s message, notice how Plushenko’s main selling point is lots of ice space and foreign specialists, not contracts or sponsorship deals which is what he was accused of. Now I have no doubts that Sasha didn’t leave for money and I hope people don’t criticise her for that anymore

 

[Scott512]

You either follow nobody except the Russian ladies, or you've had a few beers already.
Go watch Kolyada's long programme at test skates, then come back and comment. Or don't, whatever suits you

Test skates proves little double F. But I root for him he's a super guy and I hope the change works but it's too soon to say. And the professor has obviously had massive success with men over the years even though it was a long time ago. Alexeis Urmanov and yagudin and Evgeni plushenko back-to-back-to-back is phenomenal and I would say very Sasha Anna and aliona like if you will from one coach. Mishin made Yagudin before TAT got the credit.