2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

It is bothersome, if it’s the way things are translated in English. „Chasing“ and „cursing“ aren’t correct translations. It almost always bothers me how some things are mistranslated or misinterpreted in English. Никто не гонит - can be translated in 2 ways, either rushing a person (?), or telling them to go off ice(less likely), imo, but chasing is the wrong way to translate it. Гонится - would be chasing, but without the latter two letters it has a different meaning. Neither is swearing/cursing for the other word. It’s more like when your teacher says „I told you to do this! Why aren’t you doing this?“, sort of being told off, not referring to the use of swear words.
Like the time people like to discuss Eteri’s words about „Once you’re off podium, you’re no one“, as if it means you’re a nobody without a medal. It’s not what it means, it means „in order to win your next medal you have to work as hard as if you never won anything, don’t let yourself think that having a medal will help you to win your next one.“

Here I am thankful for the similarities of the slavic languages, because I can filter many of the google translated crap. I. g. in this case for the word "гонит" the czech equivalent is "honit" and we use that also in this sense, like "rush somebody to work/to training/activity".

In this debate, there were some words that stuck in my mind...

Eteri Georgievna is very often referred to as ‘the snow queen.’ I believe this is not the case. She is a very kind, open and honest person who will always tell the truth… she’ll never keep it away from you. Eteri Georgievna will always help us, will always give advice or point out the mistakes and flaws. It can be both in training and in life. It's a stereotype that Eteri Georgievna is an iron lady. She's not. She's the same kind of person, the same mum.

Have a good night everyone.

 

[Resa]

It is bothersome, if it’s the way things are translated in English. „Chasing“ and „cursing“ aren’t correct translations. It almost always bothers me how some things are mistranslated or misinterpreted in English. Никто не гонит - can be translated in 2 ways, either rushing a person (?), or telling them to go off ice(less likely), imo, but chasing is the wrong way to translate it. Гонится - would be chasing, but without the latter two letters it has a different meaning. Neither is swearing/cursing for the other word. It’s more like when your teacher says „I told you to do this! Why aren’t you doing this?“, sort of being told off, not referring to the use of swear words.
Like the time people like to discuss Eteri’s words about „Once you’re off podium, you’re no one“, as if it means you’re a nobody without a medal. It’s not what it means, it means „in order to win your next medal you have to work as hard as if you never won anything, don’t let yourself think that having a medal will help you to win your next one.“

Sadly in Figure Skating, having won medals almost always helps you to win a next one. That bias is a huge issue.

 

[Scott512]

yes, especially if the parents must paid money to the coach's pocket.. The skaters give to Eteri 50% of prizes and advertising. This is a new information about Eteri. What do you think about it?

40%. If the great coach can get that good for her. If phenoms like Sasha and aliona leave because they're losing too much money to their coach EG will have to change or accept losing great skaters from time to time due to financial reasons.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Skaters are people. Not property to be held hostage for someone else’s benefit, entertainment, or to fulfil whatever fantasies we have of certain coaches or figure skating in the individual categories as a team sport.

Oh please, nobody is treating skaters like a property. If that is a case Alyona wouldn't be allowed to leave, and certainly not outside the transfer window. Which is btw a normal regulation in every sport, not a hostage situation. They are actualy making deals in 'benefit of individuals/skaters' and against the sport rules.

 

[Scott512]

Here I am thankful for the similarities of the slavic languages, because I can filter many of the google translated crap. I. g. in this case for the word "гонит" the czech equivalent is "honit" and we use that also in this sense, like "rush somebody to work/to training/activity".

In this debate, there were some words that stuck in my mind...

Eteri Georgievna is very often referred to as ‘the snow queen.’ I believe this is not the case. She is a very kind, open and honest person who will always tell the truth… she’ll never keep it away from you. Eteri Georgievna will always help us, will always give advice or point out the mistakes and flaws. It can be both in training and in life. It's a stereotype that Eteri Georgievna is an iron lady. She's not. She's the same kind of person, the same mum.

Have a good night everyone.

Thank you for that phenomenal AK interview. She's just such a chatterbox and so open and so giving with so much information. Even about her former coach.

 

[Alex65]

I’m failing to see how these arguments of “poaching” and “ready made skaters” make any sense if we are respecting the skater’s freedom to make decisions for themselves as individuals. An invitation isn’t a summons. If the skater doesn’t think that the inviting coach’s offer will put them in a better situation then naturally they will refuse. But if they do think they will be in a better situation then they will accept. And shouldn’t that be a good thing? For the skater to decide for themselves what is best for them after being informed of all of their options?

Things like the training environment, having a say in the creative process or the layout of your program, the choreographers you will be able to work with, and your coach’s technique are important points for a skater to consider when choosing their coach. Sponsorships and the coach’s cut of earnings are relevant because skaters need money in order to fund their training and provide a better life for themselves.

The way that I see it if another coach genuinely believes that he/she can offer the skater a better situation then informing them of their interest to work with them is actually the more honorable position, rather than deferring to their current coach who may or may not know what they’re doing or have the skater’s best interest in mind.

Imagine a situation where is skater is struggling physically or financially. Another coach knows exactly what to do to fix their technique, heal their injury, or has interested sponsors that could help them continue, but does not speak up because of some arbitrary morality line dreamt up by fans that the skater must make the first contact. The skater isn’t aware of this coach or the potential solutions, doesn’t realize that they should contact them, contacts another coach instead who makes things worse, jumps around to different coaches, eventually they are forced to retire. And for why? Because random people’s opinions should supersede their individual agency?

I believe that Eteri’s methods are right for some skaters but not everyone and that’s ok. And what works for someone in one moment may not work for them in the next. It is up to each individual skater to decide what is best for them, not their fans and not anyone else. They have the right to know what options are available to them when they are making great sacrifices to their personal lives, physical and mental health, and finances, often for others’ benefit. Any such arguments of “but he/she raised the skater!” takes agency away from the skater and makes it about the coach, as if the skater, a living breathing human being, becomes the personal property of the coach simply because the coach did the job they are paid to do, ignoring all the hard work and sacrifice that the skater put in themselves in order to reach that level.

Skaters are people. Not property to be held hostage for someone else’s benefit, entertainment, or to fulfil whatever fantasies we have of certain coaches or figure skating in the individual categories as a team sport.

It is impossible not to agree with what you said. But the reality in the Russian FS is different. Quite recently, among the Russian FS community, the issue of the need (against the background of the recent changes of coaches) to introduce a contract system between a coach and an athlete was actively discussed. To deprive an athlete of the freedom to make decisions about their fate under the threat of heavy fines and disqualification. Many coaches and functionaries, namely Averbukh, Zhulin, Laishev, Piseev and others, expressed a point of view that is diametrically opposite to yours. That's it.

 

[Scott512]

It makes the opposite impression on me, namely that the reactions are absolutely deliberately and precisely formulated. No wonder when you consider that it usually takes days for Eteri to react. How one can come up with the idea that the type of reactions can be traced back to emotional excitement is a mystery to me. Inconsiderate emotionally charged reactions are made at the moment of the highest excitement and not after days of pondering how is best to respond. When you react emotionally, you often say things that you feel sorry for after thinking about them. You apologize, mentioning the special circumstances and that's it. In the case of Eteri, it's the other way around. She thinks about it, reacts, and afterwards she stands firmly by it.

But she feels badly about it too. EG is human. She should not have divulged that list information about Aliona. I can only surmise it comes from being embarrassed that the best ladies skater in the world who's the great coach took from nothing to Greatness in 3 years has just left her for another opportunity. She takes things very personally. Aliona had the best compliments ever about EG as a coach and person that I've ever heard from any skater in July. Then she left.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Shouldn't this guy Vovadim be in prison after the way he behaved with Alyona? He is after Sergei Rozanov now... The last comments to Sergei Rozanov's last facebook post are posted by this guy Vovadim.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

56-летний фанат пытался сорвать прокат Алёны Косторной сообщением о бомбе

На своей странице в соцсети мужчина размещает фотографии девочек и плакаты с фигуристкой, которые целует.

life.ru

This guy again. I think Rudkovskaya should do something to stop him.
Edit: He was threatening Alyona with bombs in order to stop her from competing at GP France.
He kissed and hugged her without her consent.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

It is impossible not to agree with what you said. But the reality in the Russian FS is different. Quite recently, among the Russian FS community, the issue of the need (against the background of the recent changes of coaches) to introduce a contract system between a coach and an athlete was actively discussed. To deprive an athlete of the freedom to make decisions about their fate under the threat of heavy fines and disqualification. Many coaches and functionaries, namely Averbukh, Zhulin, Laishev, Piseev and others, expressed a point of view that is diametrically opposite to yours. That's it.

Because individual skaters are not the only people involved in the sport, there are also coaches, officials and the audience. And the world is not rounding about your or mine favourite skater, but around the sport as a whole.

 

[Decoder]

This discussion comes down to two things: Whether you think that Plushenko shouldn't be able to advertise his new rink and whether you think that Plushenko shouldn't be able to coach whoever he wants just because he's new in the arena.

I thought I didn't have to continue this discussion anymore after so many posters complaining about off-toipc, but cannot resist on adding some small comments.

You actually missed the point of discussion. No one thinks that Plushenko shouldn't be able to advertise his new rink, and no one thinks that Plushenko shouldn't be able to coach whoever he wants just because he's new in the arena.

Rather, the discussion is about HOW he/his wife are approaching this, advertising or recruiting, or whatever. It is about his big ego and big mouth, often say things that are contradictory, and non-stop provocation. Just yesterday, this big kindergarden kid "joked about how Tutberidze would call the Gnome Gnome (his son)" to lure him (https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...-30-tysyachax-v-konverte-ne-zabud-plyush.html). See, this has nothing to do with your talking point, the so-called "two things".

I am not going to dig into all those boring details anymore while in the mean time suggesting the end of discussions. As someone here mentioned already, people complain about the off-topic but are actually interested in it.

 

[plushyfan]

40%. If the great coach can get that good for her. If phenoms like Sasha and aliona leave because they're losing too much money to their coach EG will have to change or accept losing great skaters from time to time due to financial reasons.

Nice opinion. Mishin reseived 10% from Plushenko from everything. And that is probably tax fraud to accept money every month what is in the envelope ..I'm jus saying

 

[plushyfan]

Here I am thankful for the similarities of the slavic languages, because I can filter many of the google translated crap. I. g. in this case for the word "гонит" the czech equivalent is "honit" and we use that also in this sense, like "rush somebody to work/to training/activity".

In this debate, there were some words that stuck in my mind...

Eteri Georgievna is very often referred to as ‘the snow queen.’ I believe this is not the case. She is a very kind, open and honest person who will always tell the truth… she’ll never keep it away from you. Eteri Georgievna will always help us, will always give advice or point out the mistakes and flaws. It can be both in training and in life. It's a stereotype that Eteri Georgievna is an iron lady. She's not. She's the same kind of person, the same mum.

Have a good night everyone.

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1089055504.html
some days ago Shelepen about Eteri:

“I'm tired of swearing. There was no work going on, there was swearing after swearing. It was impossible to continue like this "

Have a good day everyone.

 

[plushyfan]

I thought I didn't have to continue this discussion anymore after so many posters complaining about off-toipc, but cannot resist on adding some small comments.

You actually missed the point of discussion. No one thinks that Plushenko shouldn't be able to advertise his new rink, and no one thinks that Plushenko shouldn't be able to coach whoever he wants just because he's new in the arena.

Rather, the discussion is about HOW he/his wife are approaching this, advertising or recruiting, or whatever. It is about his big ego and big mouth, often say things that are contradictory, and non-stop provocation. Just yesterday, this big kindergarden kid "joked about how Tutberidze would call the Gnome Gnome (his son)" to lure him (https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...-30-tysyachax-v-konverte-ne-zabud-plyush.html). See, this has nothing to do with your talking point, the so-called "two things".

I am not going to dig into all those boring details anymore while in the mean time suggesting the end of discussions. As someone here mentioned already, people complain about the off-topic but are actually interested in it.

Yes and we can know from this little tale: Eteri's income from the skaters: 50-50 from the prize money, from all shows, advertisements and TV projects! And don't forget about 30 thousand in an envelope every month. it's weird you can't see any bad thing in it. Eteri can be happy if the tax authority ignore this information. This post was very-very smart this is not about his ego this is about his cleverness

Probably the information came from Sasha and Aliona. But there were rumours about it already..Eteri uses the state money, she receives everything from the state but she does this. Congratulatios!

 

[Decoder]

Yes and we can know from this little tale: Eteri's income from the skaters: 50-50 from the prize money, from all shows, advertisements and TV projects! And don't forget about 30 thousand in an envelope every month. it's weird you can't see any bad thing in it. Eteri can be happy if the tax authority ignore this information.

Probably the information came from Sasha and Aliona. But there were rumours about it already..Eteri uses the state money, she receives everything from the state but she does this. Congratulatios!

Sigh.

I don't know what to say to you. I don't know how you formulate your thoughts in a discussion. I was talking about A, and you argue about B. I was responding to a post about how people badly treated Plushenko, and you are revealing evil Eteri's dirty secrets, in the mean time accusing others of not being able to see anything bad in Eteri,

This seems to be a pattern, though.

 

[plushyfan]

Sigh.

I don't know what to say to you. I don't know how you formulate your thoughts in a discussion. I was talking about A, and you argue about B. I was responding to a post about how people badly treated Plushenko, and you are revealing evil Eteri's dirty secrets, in the mean time accusing others of not being able to see anything bad in Eteri,

This seems to be a pattern, though.

sigh.. this is about your post.
That story is not about his ego this is about his cleverness

 

[flanker]

Those alleged envelops again (rolleyes emoticon is missing strongly ). As for the sharing of the income from the shows, how many times it has to be repeated that this model isn't Eteri's invention or anything specific for her team. You can blame the system if you like , not those who work under the system. As for me, I like this system more (relatively cheaper training costs, you pay those shares only if you gain reputation thanks to your training and results, because that's why are you invited to the shows and get those salaries) than the system where you pay high hundreds for the hour of training whether you are top skater or not and have no guarantee you will ever get salaries for the shows etc.

 

[flanker]

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1089055504.html
some days ago Shelepen about Eteri:

“I'm tired of swearing. There was no work going on, there was swearing after swearing. It was impossible to continue like this "

Have a good day everyone.

Nothing new BTW, Polina described it many times. She also said "I loved my coach" (Eteri), when she explained why she felt ashamed that she didn't inform her about her leaving. Even in this article there is:
"Somewhere, since I am a quick-tempered person, I did not have enough patience, and I too could express something, realizing that I should have kept silent. But no, all the same my tongue pulled me to say something"
or
"Everything just offended me"

Seems more like completely usual teen-adult relation (like girls who think they "hate" their mothers or their mothers hate them and don't care about them in particular age, though they actually don't ).

The point, however, is elsewhere. What people say often comes from their current situation and there is no guarantee they will say the same when the circumstances change. How is that saying? You don't bite the hand that feeds you? Applies for those who train under Eteri, when they say nice words about her, but the same applies for those who train under Plushenko or anybody else and that can quickly change with another change of the situation, not just that "before it was forced claim, now it is finally a honest claim"

 

[Skatesocs]

I'm a hypocrite for this but I do appreciate some nice plushyfan vs flanker back and forth lol

 

[flanker]

I'm a hypocrite for this but I do appreciate some nice plushyfan vs flanker back and forth lol

At your service sir