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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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I can probably figure it out though. Not that I want to.Trust me, you don't want to know
I like hearing this since the quad can only be done in the FS and if Kostornaia is able to get her triple axel back then Shcherbakova has to be near perfect with 3 quads in the FS to beat her, if Shcherbakova can get the triple axel then she isn't as under pressure with the FS because she won't have such a deficit after the SP to make up. I wonder how far along the jump is.
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Please stop fueling drama. Plushenko is not a Russian lady. Eteri is a coach not a skater.
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Trusova will have to thank for life the bad luck of Shcherbakova to get injured and not continue with his evolution with the quads in 2017, otherwise it would have been unattainable, since now he would have at least 3 quads per free program with minimum PCS scores of 76 and TES of 100.
Her injury made her regress at least 6 months, although apparently in 2018 she regressed 1 year. Imagine the domain she would have whith skating classic shows that any judge like, and if she had learned 3A would already have a higher score than Chen.
Exactly. Plus she surely would've established herself on those shows in Japan she was about to attend in the summer of 2017, which would've helped her dominate in JGP.
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I just realised that Veronika Zhilina is the first ever ladies skater to rotate 3.50 revolutions in the air! 4T, 4S, excessively pre-rotated 4F, excessively pre-rotated 4Lz and 3A are all 3.25 revolutions in the air! But Veronika did 3.5 revolutions in the air! Amazing!
If next time her 4Lz is not underrotated she will rotate 3.75 revolutions in the air! Wow!
If next time her 4Lz is not underrotated she will rotate 3.75 revolutions in the air! Wow!
When do you think Sasha's first quad was published?
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Except the overrotation rule is in the technical panel handbook... which you could probably read at some point to refresh?Yes, as the prerotation rule, the overrotation rule also exists
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Over-rotated jumps If a jump is over-rotated more than a quarter revolution, it is called as a jump with the
higher revolution. For example 2T with more than a quarter revolution will be called
as 3T downgraded (<<) by the technical panel"
People should not get 4S<< for doing a triple. For all intents and purposes she did a triple salchow a tiny bit overrotated. Intent doesn't matter, its execution. People shouldn't be rewarded for attempting quads and rotating a triple, which is what she did.
With a 4S<< she could get the value of 3S with -5's and get an extra triple with her program and replace her 2T, giving her an advantage.
I can't do a 4S, but in competition it would be an advantage to do 4S<< as it's give me a 4S<< instead of a 2T in combination. In your circumstances laid out, what would stop me just jumping a 3S and it getting called 4S<<.
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YMMD! I'll make you a kind suggestion. Let us Anyuta be called the "Would Have Queen" from now on. Do you agree?Exactly. Plus she surely would've established herself on those shows in Japan she was about to attend in the summer of 2017, which would've helped her dominate in JGP.
I understand that after Sasha left Tutberidze, the fans of her group decided to rewrite history, but this went too far. Yesterday at Nike presentation, the presenter called Anna as the first woman to land a quadruple lutz and the one who did what only men did before her(and Anna did not correct her). Today I see messages that Anna was the first to jump quad in the Tutberidze team and Sasha is not even mentioned. Let's figure it out. brakes, not only Anna's quad was published in April 2017, but also Sasha's quad, I will even say more they were published right on the same day (if I am not mistaken, Anna's 4T and Sasha's 4S-3T were posted on April 22). Let's go further, we have words from Danny G, Eteri and Sasha that it was Trusova who asked the coaches to teach her in a quadruple jump. Polina Tsurskaya said that it was Sasha who first landed the quad in training and for everyone it was like a flight into space. Everyone applauded her, congratulated her. https://www.sovsport.ru/figure/news/2:910327 We also have a testimony from one of the parents of Khrustalny https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/745674-arutyunyan-trusova-plyuschenko-tutberidze
Wow, Trusova is amazing.
I just assumed he was acknowledging that it exists lol. After all, the pre-rotation rule is usually correctly applied to toe axels
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The reason it's not applied correctly is that it's not defined correctly. The overrotation rule is applied correctly, and has been applied to me multiple times in the past...Wow, Trusova is amazing.
I just assumed he was acknowledging that it exists lol. After all, the pre-rotation rule is usually correctly applied to toe axels
Once I opened out of 3S 1/4 over 2S stepping out and it was called a 2S (this actually benefitted me)
One I overrotated a 2S on the half loop by 1/4 and it was called a 3S<< and I had a 3S later in the program that was chucked out.
Another time I did a 2T that was overrotated by 1/4 and called 3T<< and got zayaked with a different jump.
The quater always has been the cutoff point, and the reason the rule is not usually applied is it usually doesn't happen. Usually attempts are either popped or rotated past the quater.
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The toe axel rule that is.
Oh, that's actually more confusing, I thought you just missed my joke. Why do you think the toe axel rule isn't applied correctly?
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Because it's not properly specified or defined.
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A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a
downgraded jump. The toe loop is the most commonly cheated on take-off jump.
The TP may only watch the replay in regular speed to determine the cheat and
downgrade on the take off (more often in combinations or sequences).
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Nowhere does it mention toe axel. A technical panel could inteperate this as "every single toeloop loop or salchow type jump should be automatically downgraded" to "no jump should be downgraded based off the takeoff".
Of course, we can assume it is referring to a toeaxel based on them specifically mentioning toeloop - but some toeaxels have the same prerotation as a normal toeloop (of course the majority have more). More to the point the vast majority of toeloops "takeoff from forwards" so by the technical panel wording almost every toeloop should be downgraded which would be a rather absurd thing to do.
It's much easier for a technical specialist to ignore an ambiguous and ridiculously worded rule rather than try interpretate it. That's why they don't punish toeaxels properly (or half skidded axels - which is part of the rule too).
Of course some specialists could interpretate it as 1/2 before the takeoff is initiated the takeoff is initiated (when they hit the first toepick - so if somebody did half on their blade on a loop or salchow before hitting their toe pick which does happen sometimes I think) but then at the end of the day why would that make toeloops the most cheated.
Whilst the intent is somewhat clear if it left the part about the axel out, adding the part about axel muddied the water a little bit in terms of its intent (although tech panels can only see in full speed).tech panels can either have debates on what intentions are - like the bible each coming up with our own interpretations. Figuring out what the word of God says when giving us the eternal truth within the panel handbook. Or we can wait for ISU to reword it. Until then people get away with toe-axels, and then when ISU change it they will be stuck with bad technqiue permanently and their chance of gold medals stunted with wasted talent.
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