2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[readernick]

I bet Alena and Sasha's (and also Rika - if we count non-Russian ladies) jumps will last longer than Anna - free to block me

They have better technique, yes. However, I don't think you can discount the importance of pure force of will. Anna seems to be full of determination, and sometimes she manages to land or rotates jumps that honestly seem beyond her skills. You can't discount her incredible love or skating or her work ethic. I wouldn't bet against Anna, or Sasha, or Alena, or Rika. They are all incredibly determined young ladies.

 

[Jontor]

I bet Alena and Sasha's (and also Rika - if we count non-Russian ladies) jumps will last longer than Anna - free to block me

Why would I?? You are entitled to your opinion.

I am an Anna fan, yes. But it doesn't mean I am blind. I know all about her weaknesses and jump technique.
It doesn't mean though that I am allergic to Anna criticism. We are all adults here, right?

But if you obnoxiously complain about Anna day in day out, with no constructive criticism (like some people do) - then I will block you out - OK?

 

[Jontor]

They have better technique, yes. However, I don't think you can discount the importance of pure force of will. Anna seems to be full of determination, and sometimes she manages to land or rotates jumps that honestly seem beyond her skills. You can't discount her incredible love or skating or her work ethic. I wouldn't bet against Anna, or Sasha, or Alena, or Rika. They are all incredibly determined young ladies.

So true.

 

[Skatesocs]

What I'm fascinated by is the fact nobody mentions Medvedevas technique as much when she was at Orser.

Are you really fascinated? I'm really not Everything was perfect because it most certainly improved. Can't scrutinize any aspect of perfection. Everything you believe didn't improve is simply subjective and reveals any nationalism you might possess.

 

[renebaebae]

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Can anyone pls translate this? Did Kostyleva leave Eteri?

 

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Can anyone pls translate this? Did Kostyleva leave Eteri?

Yes, half year ago.

 

[Jontor]

Are you really fascinated? I'm really not Everything was perfect because it most certainly improved. Can't scrutinize any aspect of perfection. Everything you believe didn't improve is simply subjective and reveals any nationalism you might possess.

The Medvedeva scenario is interesting. She really did improve her technique with Orser but it didn't matter as she didn't have the technical content to begin with. So, conclusion might be that all this technique talk is just semantics in the greater scheme of things??

 

[Skatesocs]

So, conclusion might be that all this technique talk is just semantics in the greater scheme of things??

It mostly is tbh. At the end of the day, you pounding the competition with tech content should still give you a deserved victory. It's the part about GOE that lets people scrutinize as much. And the nonsense pre-rotation = downgrade brigade, of course.

 

[Skatesocs]

I thought the topic of discussion was when a jump is classified as forward take-off and deserving of the penalty listed in ISU rules

No, it was about interpretation of rules. If you want to talk about forward take off, we can, but the post you responded to was about interpretation of rules.

but skaters don't pick in at 90 degrees on toe loops as far as I know.

You're free to disagree with any visual description I provide, but yes, a toe loop does tend to have a minimum of 90 degrees pivot. For this, the skaters tend to pick in more open to the direction of rotation.

 

[Jontor]

It mostly is tbh. At the end of the day, you pounding the competition with tech content should still give you a deserved victory. It's the part about GOE that lets people scrutinize as much. And the nonsense pre-rotation = downgrade brigade, of course.

I think though that the +5/-5-system and the BV lowered for many quads kind of solved the problem. Maybe not fully, but to some extent.

Kostornaia is the proof of that. The judges showered her with great GOEs last season, that's why she managed to win over Trusova and Shcherbakova. She got in average +9-10 points more in GOE than the others. That's huge, and wouldn't have happened back in 2018 with the old rules.

So, the GOE factor is of the highest importance now, and the judges will only give great GOEs to skaters with good technique...

 

[Fried]

If Trusova performs like she did at the GPF/Nationals/Europeans with numerous falls on quads or a fall with a pop into a triple or double, I don't think they would need to inflate Valieva's scores all that much as long as she is mostly clean because her spins/PCS should yield higher scores than Trusova's.

It is clearly not a question of necessity, but rather of principle.
Nor would it have been necessary to inflate Anna's points in Syzran, but it was done anyway.

 

[Jontor]

It is clearly not a question of necessity, but rather of principle.
Nor would it have been necessary to inflate Anna's points in Syzran, but it was done anyway.

Anna's points inflated? Well, she got 5 bonus points that are not used in international skating, it's just the Russian Cup rules. Other than that she was home scored, that's all. And just you wait for it, I'm pretty sure that both Kamila's and Sasha's and Evgenia's points will be home scored too. Don't you worry.

And remember, Kamila will probably get +6 bonus points for her excellent spins, that's the Russian Cup rules. Sasha won't.

 

[sclloyd]

Kamila hasn’t even skated yet, and already there’s some negative judgement towards her. Also takes away from the fact that she’s a wonderful skater with very good SS and exceptional spins, not even talking about great 4Ts she has. If she gets higher scores - well, it’s because she’s been lowballed due to being a junior, which is something common.

Kamila should get high PCS, but if it is inflated the way it was for Anna, then I'd have concern, at least if that inflation is not matched comparably with other skaters. I'd expect to see a higher score here than last season, I wouldn't expect for it to be egregiously high the way Anna's programs were in Stage 1.

 

[ali0125]

They have better technique, yes. However, I don't think you can discount the importance of pure force of will. Anna seems to be full of determination, and sometimes she manages to land or rotates jumps that honestly seem beyond her skills. You can't discount her incredible love or skating or her work ethic. I wouldn't bet against Anna, or Sasha, or Alena, or Rika. They are all incredibly determined young ladies.

I agree Anna (and most top girls in the field) are very strong-minded and hard working, but I also don't see Anna is more determined than Sasha, Alena or Rika, not evidently - they all achieved a lot along their short career already and they all failed/lost from time to time too.

I reached my conclusion because I believe forces of nature A strong mind won't offset growth of weight/height etc. If you don't have good techniques, relying on a light body not core strength (that's how I saw Anna), it's easier that you fail at end of the day.

 

[Jontor]

Kamila should get high PCS, but if it is inflated the way it was for Anna, then I'd have concern, at least if that inflation is not matched comparably with other skaters. I'd expect to see a higher score here than last season, I wouldn't expect for it to be egregiously high the way Anna's programs were in Stage 1.

I wouldn't call Anna's PCS score "egregiously high" as her total PCS score was only about 1,5 points higher than she got at RusNats last year. A rise is expected in PCS from year to year, and this seemed reasonable to me.

Kamila (and I'm sure Sasha) will of course also get a boost - we'll see where it lands.

 

[Jontor]

I agree Anna (and most top girls in the field) are very strong-minded and hard working, but I also don't see Anna is more determined than Sasha, Alena or Rika, not evidently - they all achieved a lot along their short career already and they all failed/lost from time to time too.

I reached my conclusion because I believe forces of nature A strong mind won't offset growth of weight/height etc. If you don't have good techniques, relying on a light body not core strength (that's how I saw Anna), it's easier that you fail at end of the day.

We'll see. Perhaps you're right - or not.

 

[ali0125]

Kamila should get high PCS, but if it is inflated the way it was for Anna, then I'd have concern, at least if that inflation is not matched comparably with other skaters. I'd expect to see a higher score here than last season, I wouldn't expect for it to be egregiously high the way Anna's programs were in Stage 1.

I think inflation should be seen with comparison - until we see what Sasha and Alena gets we can tell whether it's an E-flation or it's a top skater inflation to boost their PCS internationally.

 

[renebaebae]

Yes, half year ago.

thank you.

 

[flanker]

Who says there's no fun at Khrustalny

 

[Jontor]

I think inflation should be seen with comparison - until we see what Sasha and Alena gets we can tell whether it's an E-flation or it's a top skater inflation to boost their PCS internationally.

Yes, and I think Russia knows (and rightly so) that their BIG gun next Olympian year will be Kamila. That's why they put her in senior test skates this year. It won't be surprising if they are "sponsoring" her all they can, and hoping the international boost will follow as well.