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Apart from Sasha I actually think a lot of the other girls were also underscored here today looking at the protocols.
I wouldn't say they were underscored. They just weren't overscored, but Kamilia and Daria, were....

This is why people were upset about Anna's judging in Stage 1 too... sure overscore your skaters in national competitions... it's fine... but overscore everyone, or overscore no one... don't play such blatant favorites.
 
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But she only does 2 quads, while sasha will probably go for 3 quads or even 4 ,but my guess is they are going for 3 tommorow
They'll find a way for Kamila to win, mark my words. I won't be able to watch tomorrow because it's on too late, but if Sasha wins it'll be a miracle.

She'll probably end up in 3rd.
 
Sasha has red eyes. She has been crying. I just love this tough girl, shame on the judges!
Now that just makes me angry. The girls are all working so hard, pushing themselves everyday. They deserve better than this kind of judging! If you‘d told me two years before, I‘d ever complain about Sasha Trusova being underscored, I‘d have laughed you in the face. And yet here we are. 2020, I guess...?
But she only does 2 quads, while sasha will probably go for 3 quads or even 4 ,but my guess is they are going for 3 tommorow
And Kamila has a lead of 10 points. That‘s about as much as one quad. Include her higher PCS + all the bonus points on spins, the fact that she scores the same (even higher...) on her weak combos as Sasha does on her good ones, and you have a situation where she literally cannot lose unless she falls like 3 times and Sasha is completely clean.
They'll find a way for Kamila to win, mark my words. I won't be able to watch tomorrow because it's on too late, but if Sasha wins it'll be a miracle.

She'll probably end up in 3rd.
In a way I‘m glad I didn‘t watch live today - I‘d probably have gotten even more angry.. but I‘ll be watching tomorrow and boy, if they really put Sasha third even if she skates well, I‘m going to riot. But I agree, it‘s quite likely - Daria just has to skate relatively clean and silver is hers.
 
Btw, major improvement in Daria from test skates to now. After Stasya her outing was my favourite.

But I can't not simply love Kamila's SP. I love the music, I love the spiral even though it's short, if only it was the dress from the gala 😁
Also, I like the idea of longer dress skirts, I think it can work great.
 
I wouldn't say they were underscored. They just weren't overscored, but Kamilia and Daria, were....

This is why people were upset about Anna's judging im Stage 1 too... sure overscore your skaters in national competitions... it's fine... but overscore everyone, or overscore no one... don't play such blatant favorites.
I guess I just became too used to the dumb scoring in domestic comps that I now think real scores are underscored haha. I guess I kinda agree with you
 
I'm not calling out the bonus system but the point that literally no one else except Eteri girls gets them. Also, saying Sasha is not known for her spins just casts a prejudice against her spins. She has a good layback spin and a good combination spin. She would have gotten a bonus point for the layback today if two judges had given her a +4 as she almost got >+4 with all judges on it but they won't and that's my point.
I get where you're coming from, but what I'm trying to say is that Sasha's spins, while good, are not indisputably +4 GOE as Kamila's and Daria's are.

As far as I remember, Sasha has never gotten, or at least usually doesn't get the bonuses for spins, even before she switched. I remember one specific competition in 18/19, in the short, where Anna flubbed one spin and then got two bonuses for the other two, and ended up ahead of Sasha just because she had those two bonus points while Sasha had none. (SP)

I understand your meaning that you would've given Sasha +4 for that spin, but it's not a clear-cut "She HAS to get +4/+5" LSp4 like Kamila's or Daria's, you know? Sasha not getting spin bonuses is nothing new, this has been a thing even when she was still in juniors/still with Eteri.
 
The REAL scores without bonuses and if Sasha would have been clean.

So, Sasha‘s total score potential with a 3A is only about 1 point higher than Kamila‘s who didn’t do a 3A? Sure, she‘s not the best artistically and her spins are weaker but honestly, her jumps have higher quality and she has improved leaps and bounds this season overall.

Let‘s just remember that Kostornaia, with a perfect SP and 3A, got 89 at RusNats last season. And the outrage here was HUGE.

Sorry, but this whole thing is a farce. Now they‘re not even pretending anymore. Sasha got an edge call on the flip, right? I wonder if Daria got one on her lutz...

I like all of these girls (and I love Kamila‘s SP especially) but this kind of completely biased judging takes away most of my excitement.
Alionas 89 was too high and Kamilas 82 was just about right. Both deserve to be in first place in their respective competitions. I'm just glad there are skaters skating well after such a brutal offseason and not being able to train properly.

I wouldn't worry about Sasha too much she has her free skate to do her thing and dominate.
 
They'll find a way for Kamila to win, mark my words. I won't be able to watch tomorrow because it's on too late, but if Sasha wins it'll be a miracle.

She'll probably end up in 3rd.
The best I am hoping for is them having some decency and not moving Usacheva into second. I mean, I like her skating, but come on. I don’t understand why the Russians want to risk backstage dealing on the soft scores when they can clearly push for the same deal that men get with Trusova. Like, sure, people grumble she is not this or that, but no one (sane) argues about her jumping ability far ahead of the field. Why do they chose the hard way of bickering over spins and spirals?

because Trusova has better lead on all other ladies with 3A in her arsenal than Chen has on all other men. Why are they not wanting it?
 
I am just going to say that to me Alyona Kostornaya is the best ladies skater ever after Yuna Kim and I will be outraged If she is left out from the Olympic team because of skaters like Valieva, Shcherbakova and Usachyova (Hahaha) who cannot compare to her AT ALL.
Two of these Hahaha skaters were completely overscored today. Poor Sasha who is really improving these days.
 
Yes, and imo that's the more constructive way of discussing it.
Agreed.
Is a clean Sasha with a 3A only worth just one more point than Kamila?
I would say Trusova is worth more than that. Valieva's jumps are overscored - she really deserves 1-2 GOE lower than Trusova on each (landed) pass, and of course she has lower BV. She deserves higher spin GOE, no doubt - say + 2 more on each. I'd tie them on steps GOE. Then we can say Valieva deserves slightly more PCS (say the 2 more points here that she got)- but I think this puts her below Trusova by 3-4 points.

ETA: I had it as +2 on both steps. +3 on all Valieva's spins to Trusova's +1s. +2 on Trusova's axel to Valieva's 0. +3 on Trusova's other two passes to Valieva's +1s.
 
1. I've always been saying Usacheva is very artistically gifted skater. If she starts skating clean, there is no way judges are not going to notice that.
Her jumps entries are piece of art. Spins got better as well.
2. Kamila was great, her extensions are insane, lines close to perfect, this dress got to go though.
3. Not a bad first try on 3A for Sasha, her performance improved a bit, but she's artistically far from Kamila and Daria. Plushy should keep calm, she can easily win in in free with her content.
4. Stasya stayed on her feet, there was passion, but technically and skating skills wise she couldn't fight for top places here. Work in progress and good effort.

Plushy was actually right, when he said sarcastically "thank you" when the camera came back to showing K&C, instead of other girls warming up - it's disrespectful towards a skater. Don't take away those precious seconds before camera from athletes, they deserved them. ☝️
 
I enjoyed Konstantinova's program the most.
I can't wait to see
It's only been one competition, but so far the coaching change has worked wonders for Stasya. She's the highlight of the event for me, and her face when she received her scores matched mine.
I can't wait to see her SP. But when the pressure is off Stasya always skates well.

Is she trying a triple axel at some point?
 
I can't sleep and it's 3am...

All I can think is that they've deliberately set up Sasha to fail.

The only way she can win is to do ALL her quads and a 3A. This will ruin her free and let's face it she's not ready to land them all.

So she won't, but she'll want to try and then when she can't the Fed will say "See, she can't do all these elements, and she has no program, no way can she be at the top."

Plus imagine how Sasha must feel right now? How can she possibly skate her best? I wouldn't feel like going anywhere near a pair of ice skates if I were her.
 
The best I am hoping for is them having some decency and not moving Usacheva into second. I mean, I like her skating, but come on. I don’t understand why the Russians want to risk backstage dealing on the soft scores when they can clearly push for the same deal that men get with Trusova. Like, sure, people grumble she is not this or that, but no one (sane) argues about her jumping ability far ahead of the field. Why do they chose the hard way of bickering over spirals?
Better question, why have they suddenly decided to heavily back a junior who until the end of last season was barely skating clean in competition, doesn’t have any of the difficult elements, and is perpetually an afterthought over her more accomplished teammate, instead of an established senior who is far above the field in technical ability, has improved leaps and bounds in all other aspects of her skating, and is practically unbeatable when clean. Seriously who is the more promising candidate for Olympic medals here? I don’t understand why they feel the need to torpedo their most promising athletes to promote a current junior who was barely in any Olympic conversation until about 6 months ago
 
Fed's faith in Sasha's abitlity to deliver when it matter could have been restored only with a cleanly landed 3A.

Fed gives gifts to Eteri's skaters because since many years they are the ones who deliver. Even when Zagitova became inconsistent they still pushed her because they knew it was probably their best chance for worlds gold. And they dropped her as soon as they got skaters with better chances.

If Sasha skate cleanly tomorrow with 3 quads, fed can be generous with her again.
 
Fed's faith in Sasha's abitlity to deliver when it matter could have been restored only with a cleanly landed 3A.

Fed gives gifts to Eteri's skaters because since many years they are the ones who deliver. Even when Zagitova became inconsistent they still pushed her because they knew it was probably their best chance for worlds gold. And they dropped her as soon as they got skaters with better chances.

If Sasha skate cleanly tomorrow with 3 quads, fed can be generous with her again.
imagine thinking this and convincing yourself that this is normal
 
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