2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

Hype only exists in the minds of fans and some media, plus certain parents and trainers who are overly ambitious.

Any sensible skater knows his/her strengths and weaknesses and acts accordingly: play to your strengths while trying to hide your weaknesses.

Skating in boots too large for your feet is dangerous

 

[ali0125]

Hype only exists in the minds of fans and some media, plus certain parents and trainers who are overly ambitious.

Any sensible skater knows his/her strengths and weaknesses and acts accordingly: play to your strengths while trying to hide your weaknesses.

Skating in boots too large for your feet is dangerous

RusFed love hype the best

 

[silveruskate]

Anna got the highest PCS she ever received in a senior Russian competition as a double Russian Champion, a 2nd year senior, and Kamila just came and matched her PCS on the first outing. Ok then. No absurd inflation at all. This happens all the time.

 

[plushyfan]

Well, you probably did. I don't follow the juniors all that much.

But once again, my opinion is that you are "lashing" out at a skater based on who her coach is.
Because of this well known "feud" that is going on now with Plushy and Eteri.
And I don't like that type of thing.

Noooo! This is not true!!!I'm a fan of Kamila, she is amazing! How could everybody not love her? I'm a fan of Alina, Zhenya. And I like Anna, too. Who is their coach?
I respect every skater they work so hard they work out their guts you can't show a post from me when I had bad words on a skater. The "boring" or "something is missing" were my words if they weren't my favorite .
Yes, that was a controversial opinion from me, but there was no bad temper in him. Or I would like that to happen.

 

[Azikin]

Anna got the highest PCS she ever received in a senior Russian competition as a double Russian Champion, a 2nd year senior, and Kamila just came and matched her PCS on the first outing. Ok then. No absurd inflation at all. This happens all the time.

If you think it's absurd inflation then you probably didn't see her skate..

 

[Skatesocs]

I do think arguing inflation is silly. I do not think Valieva skated better than Shcherbackova in the mentioned skates.

 

[yume]

I disagree that Zagitova lost support, she was usually always #1 or #2 in terms of PCS with the exception of the GPF FS debacle in which she was 4th in PCS scoring; she was even the top PCS score receiver at IDF for the FS that wasn't that great either. She lost based on the technical score not only because her competitors were landing multiple triple axels and quads but because she was generally having messy landings on lower valued elements.

She lost support. A Zagitova with support would have never gotten an "e" on a lutz nor that many UR calls. Her pcs couldn't deflate that much (they were lower than what she got at worlds) for visually clean skates (only a step-out in the free) at IDF.

Medvedeva losing support to Zagitova is more debatable. Because though she lost euros and olys, she still got the best PCS and GOEs. Fed wanted two strong chances to win gold, so they made Zagi's scores rise. Just that they rose so much that Zagi could win on BV advantage.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

I may have at one point made a post against quads in ladies sp but now I think it's good. Purely for the reason that we won't see as many lips and flutzed as skaters that can quad will replace those jumps with quads (e.g. Trusova doing 4T instead of 3F, Kamila doing 4T instead of 3Lz). It may not work for skaters who have edge issues in quads but it'll decrease flutzed and lips for sure.

 

[yume]

Outside of the 3A, Sasha's jumps are better quality than Daria's and Valieva's but didn't get the same insanely high GOE.

Usacheva jumps better than Valieva and Trusova imo.

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Mr "high quality transitions deserve high TR scores" had to say that.

Mishin bribing? LOL!

The story of Samodurova is very simple imo. She had one hell of a season back in 2019.

First, she managed to squeeze in at the GPs (she only had 29th seasons best and wasn't guaranteed any place). And due to various injuries in the Russian team she got two places.

She did well, she had tiny jumps, but she was consistent. And consistency can make you go far - she qualified for the GPF, beating many favourites (finished 5th with her consistency).

Then RusNats came, and the 14 year old 3A's swept the podium. The main contenders Zagitova and Medvedeva had terrible skates and Sofia with her consistency managed to finished 6th, thus making her the 3rd senior, and so she managed to squeeze in for the world team.

At Europeans, everyone had terrible skates, but Sofia, with her consistency held on - winning the gold! I think though the judges might have gone a bit overboard with her score there, but they were probably just happy to see someone skate clean!

Then at Worlds, she was consistent as usual, but didn't stand a chance cause there were better skaters there (finished 8th).

Last season, nothing changed, Sofia was still consistent, but with a lot of URs suddenly. At the same time all the others shaped up and outskated her. She couldn't squeeze in anymore.

That's the story of Sofia Samodurova. (imo)

Samodurova should honestly thanks skating gods for all she got so far. That's way better than what she would have gotten with a bit less luck.

I wasn't surprised when she finished last in jgpf and 8th at senior worlds, knowing how she got there.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Yeah, I know it off topic, but I was watching some replays of old competition, and with so much props being given to Kwan, I was specifically surprised by how slow her skating was. Different era I suppose.

Omg!!!! I'm so glad someone else out there agrees with me. I always thought she was dead slow. Honestly I thought I was off on my own planet.

Often there are skaters I really enjoy who get a lot of criticism from others but in this case I simply could not understand all the praise. I'm chalking it up to perhaps the style of that era was just not suited to me. There seemed to be an awful lot of slow skating around with arms outstretched.

Sorry everyone! I'm just happy to get this off my chest!!!!

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Usacheva jumps better than Valieva and Trusova imo.

I think her jumps are higher but of course more telegraphed. I also think the Lutz has some edge issues.

Overall I liked watching Trusovas jumps and Usachevas jumps for different reasons.

I liked Kamilas jumps but not her combination jumps.

 

[esteticlove]

I know Kamila's PCS were veeery generous, but on the other hand, she shows qualities that other skaters don't have. Why not reward her for that? Go and re-watch the SP from yesterday, you can also follow the reaction of the audience and you'll see that her performance was perceived as the best of the day.

 

[yume]

I think her jumps are higher but of course more telegraphed. I also think the Lutz has some edge issues.

Overall I liked watching Trusovas jumps and Usachevas jumps for different reasons.

I liked Kamilas jumps but not her combination jumps.

Usacheva's 2A and 3F-3T with those entries were telegraphed?

 

[eterialskating]

I may have at one point made a post against quads in ladies sp but now I think it's good. Purely for the reason that we won't see as many lips and flutzed as skaters that can quad will replace those jumps with quads (e.g. Trusova doing 4T instead of 3F, Kamila doing 4T instead of 3Lz). It may not work for skaters who have edge issues in quads but it'll decrease flutzed and lips for sure.

Far too much time wasted on flip and lutz edges. They should be considered as one jump. The fact that you can land either jump from the entrance of the other is already problematic. The only distinction is a split second moment where the edges can be recognize and many times its not even clear. An absolute waste of time and effort because I honestly do not know skaters who have strong and clear edges in both jumps. Certainly not self-crowned Sochi champion Haha! and neither does double Olympic champion in the men's.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

FP run throughs from training session yesterday.

Sasha:


Kamila:


Daria:

 

[silveruskate]

I know Kamila's PCS were veeery generous, but on the other hand, she shows qualities that other skaters don't have. Why not reward her for that? Go and re-watch the SP from yesterday, you can also follow the reaction of the audience and you'll see that her performance was perceived as the best of the day.

She does, it's similar to Yulia. It isn't just 3 elements that wow the audience but 6 for her. So that is why she'll always get massive cheers.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

I massively preferred Kamila's FP dress from test skates to this weird piece of clothing. This might even be worse than Sasha's FP Danaerys costume last season.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Love Trusova's dress!!!! Very Warrior Juliet which is perfect for her!

 

[Greengemmonster]

I massively preferred Kamila's FP dress from test skates to this weird piece of clothing. This might even be worse than Sasha's FP Danaerys costume last season.

Kamila can really rock a one piece body suit (I thought she looked amazing in the test skate one! Those legs!!!) but omg those jingle bingle flappy bits need to go!!!! I keep wanting to snip them off!

 

[Edwin]

Rudkovskaya now a technical specialist: https://www.instagram.com/stories/rudkovskayaofficial/2417431876863645608/

Not knowing these kind of comments will only hurt Trusova's chances in case the judges doubt over something that didn't go 100%?