2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[vorravorra]

To tell the truth i dont find the hip movement innapropiate for sasha it is one little hip shake, god people , i mean she is what 16 and will be 17 next year, it was different with big spender since she was only 14 then and the lycris was not som3thing that a 14 year old should skate too ,but at 16 many teenagers are already on partys and dancing and more often then not the hip movement there is much more than just the shake we see from sasha here, i know i was already going into the disco since in the next city we had a disco that had discotimes for teenagers meaning until 10 pm in the evening, after that it was adult time

Sasha was 13 when she skated to Big Spender.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Now you go full conspiracy theory about judges punishing someone leaving almighty and evil Eteri etc, and I don't argue with conspiracy theorists.
Judges in FS gave Sasha PCS equal to Valieva's PCS, which is ridiculuos. It must be her "punishment" for leaving Eteri, huh

Oh please, Kamila's FS was a mess! You talk about how Sasha could be skating to anything? Well so could Kamila, the choreo was an absolute disjointed cavalcade of "Look how flexible I can be!"

to be frank, the whole “Evgenia scores dropped because she left”, completely ignores a number of factors that caused her scores to drop: the spins which got worse and worse,

And who's fault is that? Maybe her old coach Eteri who somehow didn't notice or care her star was severely injured? Tell me how Brian O was ever going to go fix that.

 

[anonymoose_au]

So if Aleksandra's not playing Juliet and the hip movements aren't for Romeo then what exactly are they for?

OMG they represent lust! The lust that led Romeo and Juliet to their desperate actions and death. What part of "It's a representation of the destructive power of love" are people not getting?!

Does Plushy have to hold up a banner with that written on it for you to remember?!

 

[anonymoose_au]

Don't you think it's ridiculous to rely on Plushenko's experience? He has never had figure skaters of the level of Sasha and Alena. We may well be surprised. I hope so. You just have to wait and see.

He may never have coached such a skater but he was such a skater. Some posters are loathe to admit it but at one time Plushy was the greatest male figure skater in the world, it was unimaginable he would ever lose a competition. He knows the pressure of expectation and apart from the 2000 Words and 2002 Olympics he never let it get to him. He had nerves of steel and if that was the only thing he could teach Sasha then the coaching change is worth it.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

OMG they represent lust! The lust that led Romeo and Juliet to their desperate actions and death. What part of "It's a representation of the destructive power of love" are people not getting?!

Does Plushy have to hold up a banner with that written on it for you to remember?!

I don't even think the hip movement had such a thought process when it was inserted in her choreography. I think they just thought it looked nice.

That part of the music has some insinuating notes, the hip movement suits it. I think lust is a word too strong to describe it (but I'm also not sure if I know the exact meaning of lust in English, as things get lost in translation).

It's just a hip movement. Let's not overthink it. It looks nice.

I thought people would be discussing this movement:

Александра Трусова. Произвольная программа. Кубок России по фигурному катанию 2020/21. Второй этап

Александра Трусова выиграла второй этап Кубка России по фигурному катанию в Москве. Спортсменка получила 240,59 балла в сумме за короткую и произвольную прог...

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Which, to me, makes zero sense for this part of the music.

And, now, let me show you the start of Sasha's "inappropriate" programs:

2016 Memorial of Volkov - Alexandra Trusova SP

Total - 184.06 - 1st place

www.youtube.com

Changing the subject a little bit, I used to do hip "shimmies" in physiotherapy with one of those big pilates balls when I was a teenager because of my scoliosis. It's a great stretching exercise to do, I really recommend it.

 

[nussnacker]

Oh please, Kamila's FS was a mess! You talk about how Sasha could be skating to anything? Well so could Kamila, the choreo was an absolute disjointed cavalcade of "Look how flexible I can be!"


And who's fault is that? Maybe her old coach Eteri who somehow didn't notice or care her star was severely injured? Tell me how Brian O was ever going to go fix that.

True, she should’ve totally skipped the Olympics. Like how Brian’s star student Yuzuru did, he was severely injured too.

 

[trkvy]

Oh please, Kamila's FS was a mess! You talk about how Sasha could be skating to anything? Well so could Kamila, the choreo was an absolute disjointed cavalcade of "Look how flexible I can be!"

No, not 'oh please'. Even Kamila's 'messy' FS is way better aesthetically than clean Sasha's FS. it's a poetry on ice vs physical exercise on ice. You can't even compare them, it's a different genres.

 

[anonymoose_au]

True, she should’ve totally skipped the Olympics. Like how Brian’s star student Yuzuru did, he was severely injured too.

Difference is Yuzu has healed, Zhenya has not. Brian was careful when it came to training, Eteri has a one size fits all policy and didn't even try to help Zhenya. Then acted all shocked when Alina won, like she didn't know it was going to turn out that way all along.

 

[nussnacker]

Spins worse? Sasha got several Level 3s on her spins last season, nothing has changed.. Daria also got a Level 3 on her FCSp is she a bad skater now? No. Things like that happen. Sasha's Step Sequence also received a Level 2 and many Level 3s last season (Anna S. got several Level 3s too last season btw), so nothing changed and levels are lost quickly. Her 3Lz+3Lo has been an issue since her second junior season, even Team Tut could not fix that in two seasons, so you expect Plush to do it in a few months ? So in conclusion no she has not gotten worse on StSq nor spins nor in her 3Lz+3Lo, it is the same as last season. I would welcome it if people would check protocols from last season before making such bold claims. Last season it was always the judges faults when Sasha and Anna got Level 3s on their StSqs now suddenly it is Plushenko's fault. Funny.

I think the arguments you’re putting ignore the fact that Sasha’s other elements got worse when she went for 4-5 quads. Understandably so, it takes a lot of power, and there’s not much energy left to other things. To be frank, with 3 quads at at the beginning of the season everything looked quite solid, and spins too. But then with more and more quads programs slowly started having more deficiencies in other areas. Sasha wanted them all at once, and it caused further problems not just with jump consistency, but in non jump elements. Right now she’s competing with 3 and to my eyes it looks like some elements, like spins aren’t really getting attention. However, as I said, I think there’s a need for more time to polish the program, there’re effects of pandemic, coaching change. If things get better, then it’s probably just temporary mishap.

 

[nussnacker]

Difference is Yuzu has healed, Zhenya has not. Brian was careful when it came to training, Eteri has a one size fits all policy and didn't even try to help Zhenya. Then acted all shocked when Alina won, like she didn't know it was going to turn out that way all along.

LOL. Didn’t I see Yuzu in crutches the same year few months later? Perhaps my eyes fooled me. Wasn’t Lilbet constantly injured under him? She was injured just before the season started, then skated injured on all her events and got one more injury at 4CC right before Olympics. Brian clearly cared about her enough to let her skate injured all season long. Or maybe Olympic season is just that important.

Eteri did what was fair to her students, unlike other coaches she didn’t favor any of them in the run for a medal, and tried to help both to perform well. And both skated clean, Evgenia too, maybe you forgot. Alina was just better.

 

[anonymoose_au]

After much research I have compiled a list of things apparently allowed and not allowed in Russian ladies figure skating:

Allowed:

Doing different styles of programs (except when it isn't)
Having a fun program when you're junior
Leg lifts
Not drinking water to avoid gaining the slightest bit of weight
Transitions for the points
Praising and defending poor Eteri

Not allowed:

Skating to the same style (except when it's not)
Leaving Eteri
Having a fun program as a senior (no! You're a srs bns skater now, wipe that smile off you face)
Suggesting in any way, shape or form that Evgeni Plushenko is anything less than an arrogant, greedy, amoral, fake coach who wouldn't know artistry if it slapped him in the face.
Loving Liza T's programs

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Where does this "Sasha was better with Eteri vs. Sasha is better with Pluschenko" takes any of us? The ones who believe Alexandra was better with Eteri won't change their minds, the ones who believe she has improved with Pluschenko also won't change their minds.

Let's celebrate the skaters and appreciate that we even have competition this season. All these girls spent 2 months without ice, most of them grew some centimeters. The ones who changed coaches are even having to adapt to new technique and new environment/training methods. I don't think this season should be considered to check "quality" of skating.

Now, what we can do is watch "Keeping up with the Pluschenkos", "Eteri's drama race" and "How I met Daniil's choreography". We can judge their costumes/choreographies and pray for the competitions to still happen considering the second Covid wave.

Judging consistency, blaming coaches for destroying someone's career is too soon and won't take us anywhere.

 

[anonymoose_au]

No, not 'oh please'. Even Kamila's 'messy' FS is way better aesthetically than clean Sasha's FS. it's a poetry on ice vs physical exercise on ice. You can't even compare them, it's a different genres.

Maybe in your opinion, which you can have. In my opinion Kamila's choreography was the worst I've ever seen.

Eteri did what was fair to her students, unlike other coaches she didn’t favor any of them in the run for a medal, and tried to help both to perform well.

She can do that and more power to her, but acting surprised and bring all "There, there" when Zhenya lost. No, you created the conditions for Alina to win, own it.

 

[nussnacker]

After much research I have compiled a list of things apparently allowed and not allowed in Russian ladies figure skating:

Allowed:

Doing different styles of programs (except when it isn't)
Having a fun program when you're junior
Leg lifts
Not drinking water to avoid gaining the slightest bit of weight
Transitions for the points
Praising and defending poor Eteri

Not allowed:

Skating to the same style (except when it's not)
Leaving Eteri
Having a fun program as a senior (no! You're a srs bns skater now, wipe that smile off you face)
Suggesting in any way, shape or form that Evgeni Plushenko is anything less than an arrogant, greedy, amoral, fake coach who wouldn't know artistry if it slapped him in the face.
Loving Liza T's programs

You can add “+compiling lists when you’re running out of arguments” into the allowed category.

 

[anonymoose_au]

You can add “+compiling lists when you’re running out of arguments” into the allowed category.

And avoiding the topic, glad you were paying attention.

 

[nussnacker]

Maybe in your opinion, which you can have. In my opinion Kamila's choreography was the worst I've ever seen.

She can do that and more power to her, but acting surprised and bring all "There, there" when Zhenya lost. No, you created the conditions for Alina to win, own it.

She created conditions for both to win. The rest was up to judges. Evgenia’s fans still argue that Evgenia should’ve won and judges were wrong. So doesn’t look like it was an evident result to anyone but you.

 

[nussnacker]

And avoiding the topic, glad you were paying attention.

Which topic am I avoiding?

 

[anonymoose_au]

I have no issue with Alina winning, I have issue with Eteri's reaction.

Zhenya's leaving was her way of getting the tools to win, but did Eteri understand that? No she dragged her through the mud.

Eteri can dish it out, but she can't take it and that to me is worse than anything Plushy's done in his career as a coach (which is only 3 years might I remind you(

 

[anonymoose_au]

Which topic am I avoiding?

The topic where Plushenko has in three months apparently caused Sasha to:

Develop a lip
Do crap choreo
Forget how to spin and do a step sequence.

This thread really does need more diagrams and an "Ignore thread" option.

 

[nussnacker]

I have no issue with Alina winning, I have issue with Eteri's reaction.

Zhenya's leaving was her way of getting the tools to win, but did Eteri understand that? No she dragged her through the mud.

Eteri can dish it out, but she can't take it and that to me is worse than anything Plushy's done in his career as a coach (which is only 3 years might I remind you(

Yawn. Who’s avoiding the topic now?