Man I've never been happier to put someone on ignore. Too bad I can still get the gist of what was said in replies.
Usacheva and Frolova - they are like two sisters. They are the same . Now take a look at Frolova's assessment and tell me again that Usacheva has low grades.I wonder why Daria's components were so low then
What you say as a "revelation" is actually repeated here ad nauseam, despite people like nussnacker who reasonably and politely show the gaps in the logic.
There’s other factors that would be more difficult to account for. For example, what are we considering to be the ideal axel? There’s two different equally acceptable ways to do it (where your leg sorta goes in the air first and you jump to it and where you don’t), is that accounted for? What about different body types? Was it programmed to judge an axel using examples from a body type like Anna’s and if so how will it judge skaters with different body types (think Wakaba, Bradie, Mae Bernice)? Will they inherently get slightly lower GOE because their body types mean their axels don’t match what the machine sees to be a standard axel?Judging Artificial Intelligence
True, true... But it seems a fairly simple coding challenge to exclude factors such as: Name of the skater; Name of coach, Nationality of skater and "newcomer" status.
If that is possible, then what biases would remain? Maybe the ISU technical committee meets at annual Congress to reassess: technical requirements, technical ideals, and latitude for allowable error (as applied to TES GOE).
Such a system could easily produce video or 3D digital modeling, which would be distributed to all coaches & skaters, to be applief as technical standards during training. The cost of these identical systems would be borne by Nat'l Feds, so a complete "digital judging system", complete with cameras and software, could be circulated around the major rinks during training, or set up permanently in a central location. This would allow skaters to test their performance against the "system" standard that would govern technical scoring for that year.
The greatest benefit of a digital technical "panel" might, hopefully, turn out to be that judges have more attention to turn toward the remaining subjective side of artistic sport, Program Component Scores.
With less to distract, the human judging panel could apply closer scrutiny to each individual component of PCS. This could help to avoid the blanket judging of PCS, wherein all five very different components tend to be scored in irrationally tight clusters.
When results were then displayed to the crowd in the K&C, even casual fans might be able to understand them more easily. This would be especially effective if less obtuse terms were used to identify the different components. ("What's the difference between Interpretation and Performance and Composition and Transition, again, please."). (You could even include a component called *Smile*.)
Of course, superfans, know these differences, but the easier it is to engage the casual fan, who only understands that "judging is scandalous", then the more the sport grows.
And because skaters love to wear sparkled, the motion capture dots used by an AI system would be easy to camouflage among the rhinestones and Swarosky pebbling of their costumes.
Opinions?
"I'm Dr. Science, I have a Master's Degree... In Science!"
Nope.
That is stretching it a bit isn't it? I can't see Frolova and Usacheva comparable that way. Usacheva is way more talented in my opinion.
I don't think I do. Because at the end of the day, the reason I like a skater stems from a performance (for example, Daria because of the Moscow City Championships, Marin because of 2017 WJC, Sasha because of 2017 JGPF, Alyona because of 2017 JGP Poland). But maybe for Daria I really do evaluate based off her skills, taken away from choreography or music, because the choreography (at least this season) is really not very good. Here, I'll evaluate her performance of the SP anyways:
There's a bit of a double standard among the genders when it comes to the smile-at-all-costs thing in North America. I don't think Jason Brown smiled at all in his Schindler's List programme last year and nobody complained (because obviously it was appropriate). Or it could be a nationality/age thing. Anyway Tara Lipinski (I guess that's her?) isn't really known for illuminating commentary.
The judges simply could not give Camila such a large PCS due to multiple falls. You should know that. Although some of them still tried to break the ISU rules
A little o.t.t., no? It sounds a bit like the sort of j'accuse a jilted lover might proclaimI'm sorry, but ever since a few prominant skaters signed up for the Plushenko Academy, your posts -- once informative --have turned more and more into incoherent raving.
Fantastic improvement! I was expecting her to go down the Sotskova/Tsurskaya way but she really bounced back! Great to see.
Yagudin used to be my favourite skater.... Until he started opening his mouth. First Jason Brown, then Adam rippon, and now his misogynistic comments on ice age.
Actually, I do find them similar now that you say that. They are both very elegant and have wonderful posture. Both make wonderful use of arms in their programs. But I think because Frolova's programs are rather simple, she becomes rather forgettable. Usacheva has a little more ability to really perform in more dramatic songs, but then again, Frolova has never really gotten a dramatic song. Because you see, PCS isn't just "artistic ability" it's also SS, TR, PE, CO and IN. In terms of transitions, Daria is way ahead of Anna. In skating skills, they're similar, Daria would be higher, but overall not by too much. With more emotions and drama, Daria probably takes the lead in PE too. IN is similar levels. CO, I honestly don't know how to judge that one.
Honestly I may be a little angry because I replied to that post and told him to stick to his skill set - making homophobic comments.
So, what you are saying really is that Frolova is not as good because Usacheva has a better coach?
I love them both, but I agree with this. Anna has been making great strides and finding her own imprint since moving to SD, but Darya is quite a long way further advanced in skills and artistry, to my eyes.
Actually, there should be no problem with anyone saying Daria is better at XYZ/more refined than Kamila. There are others in this thread, who have been the majority for a while, who have gone on about how Kamila is better at XYZ than not only Daria, but her other teammates, all of the juniors, and seniors too
For years now, actually. That’s fine, too— just opinions.
There’s no issue in any of this. If you chose to place bad intent in this, that’s your problem, not anyone else’s.
"Falls or serious errors" appeared both in Kamila's and Sasha's caase, you can comply in both cases about "trying to break the rules"The judges simply could not give Camila such a large PCS due to multiple falls. You should know that. Although some of them still tried to break the ISU rules
Sasha has nothing to do with it. You missed the meaning of what I said. The Eteri PCS bonus did not work with Kamila in this case due to a restriction in the rules. If she fell only once, the PCS estimates would be completely different. Do you doubt it? You will see her at the next competition."Falls or serious errors" appeared both in Kamila's and Sasha's caase, you can comply in both cases about "trying to break the rules"
