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I find it hilarious, that they keep pretending GPF might take place this year... Like, only 4 events took place, and no one sane would sign up for this, why are they still in denial?
Maybe because it's a test event for the Olympics and they dont know when they'll be able to reschedule. But seriously ISU, you gotta let it go.
Where's the GPF for next season?
 
Maybe because it's a test event for the Olympics and they dont know when they'll be able to reschedule. But seriously ISU, you gotta let it go.
Where's the GPF for next season?
Don't think it's about having a test event for Olympics, since it was China themselves who cancelled it and ISU are now scrapping and looking to hold it somewhere else, which I really doubt most countries will be down to do.
 
Don't think it's about having a test event for Olympics, since it was China themselves who cancelled it and ISU are now scrapping and looking to hold it somewhere else, which I really doubt most countries will be down to do.
Yeah, I doubt many countries will be willing to allow a lot of foreign athletes in to compete. Maybe they think it'll be easier to hold then worlds, because there are less competitors or something. But its definitely not worth it
Edit: I know they're still planning to hold worlds, but I think it'll be really difficult to do
 
For starters at this point I don't think there's been anything officially announced that she had injury, and considering she was jumping in the exhibition and did not alter her FS content at all means that if she was injured then there still some culpability for not changing her layout and having her jump in the exhibition or the injury doesn't matter in relation to her performance. I replied to you on a similar comment you made 2 days ago - this isn't a 1 off bad competition for her, this is her 4th out of 6 competitions in less than a year where it can reasonably be said she performed poorly or far below expectations. And there were still mistakes in the 2 competitions that she won, she got the benefit that she had the technical content over her competitors to absorb her mistakes - which is the same story that happened last year and the end result was that when she went against more clean athletes with the quads or triple axels she lost.
Sasha is beating Anna in overall scores for the Russian Cup. So, I guess she is winning over someone who has similar tech content, and was clean? So, I don't see your argument there? And besides, it's incorrect to try to use the competitions from last season (I'm assuming the three others are GPF, RusNats and Euro, and I disagree with putting GPF there because she did land 3 beautiful quads there and the first 4F), because so much has changed. So far, she's had four outings this season, and only one has been bad.
 
Fifth stage is going to be such a bloodbath in seniors and juniors, by far one of the most competitive. Like for sure stage four was competitive too, but I think everyone knew the podium and the placements, but fifth stage? Kamila, Liza and Alyona could all win. Sofia Samodelkina will (fingers crossed) possibly win, but Adelya, Veronika, maybe Sofia Muravyeva and Liza Osokina, fighting for silver and bronze? How exciting and how nerve-wracking!
 
Fifth stage is going to be such a bloodbath in seniors and juniors, by far one of the most competitive. Like for sure stage four was competitive too, but I think everyone knew the podium and the placements, but fifth stage? Kamila, Liza and Alyona could all win. Sofia Samodelkina will (fingers crossed) possibly win, but Adelya, Veronika, maybe Sofia Muravyeva and Liza Osokina, fighting for silver and bronze? How exciting and how nerve-wracking!
Muravyova has already been twice, if I recall correctly, but maybe Gorbacheva will get to be there to complete the two assignments. And yes Osokina too.
 
Muravyova has already been twice, if I recall correctly, but maybe Gorbacheva will get to be there to complete the two assignments. And yes Osokina too.
Muravyova withdrew from Stage 4 before the free skate. There was talk about also sending her to Stage 5 so she could have 2 complete events, but I don’t know if she will actually need to compete again or if she would even be allowed to.
 
Some interviews with Alina Gorbachiova and Valeria Shulskaya.

 
I wonder if now that junior worlds are cancelled, if Kamila, Daria, Maia, etc. will go to junior nationals. With no junior international competitions, they're basically seniors this year. They have made it very clear that they're prepping Kamila for next year too. Her skating at senior test skates doesn't seem so silly now, huh? No junior international events, maybe no junior competitions at all!
 
I wonder if now that junior worlds are cancelled, if Kamila, Daria, Maia, etc. will go to junior nationals. With no junior international competitions, they're basically seniors this year. They have made it very clear that they're prepping Kamila for next year too. Her skating at senior test skates doesn't seem so silly now, huh? No junior international events, maybe no junior competitions at all!
I would guess not. With a bad skate any of them could lose to girls like Sofia Samodelkina or Sofia Akatyeva, I doubt they’d want to risk their reputation like that. It would be better to go to the Russian Cup Final as a senior to have another opportunity to show their senior programs and beat seniors who they may need to compete against to get on the Olympic team. Just my thoughts.
 
Maybe I start by saying that I am pretty sure Kamila (among juniors) and - in particular - Alina are very popular in Russia and whatever I say is not meant to deny this fact. My remarks are of general nature as I see this question of YT views recurrent in this thread.
THE most popular is always tricky because it really depends on how you define "popularity" and subsequently how you measure what you have defined. Using different definitions and different indicators you quite often end up obtaining different results. Number of YT views is quoted often because it is very easy to obtain - you just check the YT and it is shown there. Still, it is not very informative because it says nothing of the number of viewers. You can imagine a small group of die-hard fans watching a clip 24/7 and arriving at the same result as a huge number of people watching it just once each. For the same reason it can be very easily manipulated by PR agencies etc. so it is not very reliable. Therefore it is not considered a very strong indicator. Number of Instagram followers is a stronger indicator because it shows the number of "unique users" i.e. individual followers. That's the difference. Indicators based on the number of individual "unique" users (accounts, IP addresess etc.) would usually be considered stronger and more reliable as more informative and more difficult to manipulate, although, again, it all depends on your definitions and purpose for which you need the numbers.
In any seriuos study you would obviously use more than one indicator to arrive in somewhat reliable result.
NO offence meant to any skater or their fanbase. :)
To be fair, all digital measurements of popularity are relatively easy to manipulate. The only real solid evidence for popularity could be going out on the street and asking people directly or things like tv ratings, sales, media coverage, event attendance, etc.

A number of instagram followers is not super reliable, because you can easily have fake accounts or people who maybe followed you once and never saw your content again and just didn't unfollow you. It would probably be more useful to measure engagement... What % of those followers actually view, like and comment your posts.
Fun fact: If we went by number of IG followers only, then Marin Honda is the most popular skater. :)

As for Youtube views, it's a bit trickier. Recently, with kpop fans constantly breaking records for the most number of video views in 24 hours and things like that, Youtube has been constantly tweaking their algorithm to try to count "real" views more effectively and make them harder to manipulate. PR agencies often used video ads to inflate views artificially but YT doesn't count those views anymore.

If I upload a video and have my friends watch it on loop all day, the algorithm will notice and revise those views, notice they're fake and reduce them and from what I understand, after certain view milestones, they get more strict in how they count views for that video.
There are still ways to cheat the algorithm but it's definitely not as easy to inflate views as it used to be and you still need a large number of people watching the video to get those numbers up significantly.

Sorry for the long OT, but I find this topic very interesting and was reading about it recently.
 
Sasha is beating Anna in overall scores for the Russian Cup. So, I guess she is winning over someone who has similar tech content, and was clean? So, I don't see your argument there? And besides, it's incorrect to try to use the competitions from last season (I'm assuming the three others are GPF, RusNats and Euro, and I disagree with putting GPF there because she did land 3 beautiful quads there and the first 4F), because so much has changed. So far, she's had four outings this season, and only one has been bad.
The exact score difference without bonuses was Sasha 479.22 vs Anna 474.31.

I wouldn't say they have the same tech content as Anna only had 1 quad and Sasha had 4 quads (and an attempted 3A in the short). Both had mistakes in their programs, but still Sasha with more quads and a 3A is only 5 points ahead of Anna after two competitions combined.

So, I would say history is repeating itself (from last year). Sasha with higher tech content has difficulties in keeping up with Anna overall. Anna only needs to add another quad and she would be clear ahead of Sasha.
 
The exact score difference without bonuses was Sasha 479.22 vs Anna 474.31.

I wouldn't say they have the same tech content as Anna only had 1 quad and Sasha had 4 quads (and an attempted 3A in the short). Both had mistakes in their programs, but still Sasha with more quads and a 3A is only 5 points ahead of Anna after two competitions combined.

So, I would say history is repeating itself (from last year). Sasha with higher tech content has difficulties in keeping up with Anna overall. Anna only needs to add another quad and she would be clear ahead of Sasha.
which I honestly find insane. I like Anna, but like, her PCS are not that far ahead of Sasha's. Her TR, PE and IN are higher, but SS and CO are similar. Her jumps are really not as strong as Sasha's either, except for the flip given that Sasha is now lipping. Her quads thus far have been borderline UR or q, while Sasha has landed some very wonderful ones (4S last stage, 4Ts the stage before, 4Ts at test skates too). She's struggling a lot on the 3Lz+3Lo combo too (I understand she can do them wonderfully in practice though). Sure, performance wise, I do see a difference still, mostly because Sasha's SP is trying to fit her into a style she's not naturally that great at (I honestly think if they gave her another Big Spender or Kill Bill, I'd put her PE just about where Anna's is, IN is still a lower), but jumps wise, I don't understand how Anna could be scoring so close.
 
which I honestly find insane. I like Anna, but like, her PCS are not that far ahead of Sasha's. Her TR, PE and IN are higher, but SS and CO are similar. Her jumps are really not as strong as Sasha's either, except for the flip given that Sasha is now lipping. Her quads thus far have been borderline UR or q, while Sasha has landed some very wonderful ones (4S last stage, 4Ts the stage before, 4Ts at test skates too). She's struggling a lot on the 3Lz+3Lo combo too (I understand she can do them wonderfully in practice though). Sure, performance wise, I do see a difference still, mostly because Sasha's SP is trying to fit her into a style she's not naturally that great at (I honestly think if they gave her another Big Spender or Kill Bill, I'd put her PE just about where Anna's is, IN is still a lower), but jumps wise, I don't understand how Anna could be scoring so close.
For me, it is very simple. Anna has been smart so far this season and have gone down to just one quad as she didn't feel it was stable enough with more.

Sasha, has done what she always does. Going for too many quads. We have never seen this executed successfully. She did land 4 quads at Japan Open last year, but still she only scored 160 points.

I am convinced that if Sasha had gone down for let's say two quads at the Russian Cup competitions, her overall skating would have been better, and she would have beaten Anna more convincingly. Sasha NEEDS to concentrate on her overall skating instead of landing a gazillion quads.

For now, Anna beats Sasha in spins, PCS and other jumps. And Sasha goes kaboom and lands a couple of quads and loses it in the overall skating plus all the falls she always seems to have.

EDIT: You mustn't forget that also Sasha has been successful with "weaker" quads than Anna's 4F. There's a lot of points difference there. Sasha hasn't yet landed her 4Lz this year, which is a pity, because that is the money bringer...
 
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which I honestly find insane. I like Anna, but like, her PCS are not that far ahead of Sasha's. Her TR, PE and IN are higher, but SS and CO are similar. Her jumps are really not as strong as Sasha's either, except for the flip given that Sasha is now lipping. Her quads thus far have been borderline UR or q, while Sasha has landed some very wonderful ones (4S last stage, 4Ts the stage before, 4Ts at test skates too). She's struggling a lot on the 3Lz+3Lo combo too (I understand she can do them wonderfully in practice though). Sure, performance wise, I do see a difference still, mostly because Sasha's SP is trying to fit her into a style she's not naturally that great at (I honestly think if they gave her another Big Spender or Kill Bill, I'd put her PE just about where Anna's is, IN is still a lower), but jumps wise, I don't understand how Anna could be scoring so close.
You're fogetting that Sasha fell on both Cup events, once at stage two, twice at stage four. Anna didn't fall a single time at both stages, not that she didn't make smaller miskates, but Sasha did other mistakes apart the falls as well. That affects the components, people keep underestimating the influence of mistakes on PCS, esp when they interrupt the performance. No Anna's mistake yet affected the performance itself. In particular components, I think only SS can be considered similar, TR, PE and IN of Anna are definitely better and as for the CO, simply the programs are better built for it. Sasha's programs try to imitate the Khrustalnyi way how to gain many components from the choreo, but so far it is precisely that, imitating.
 
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