2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[silveruskate]

I'm sure all of the "experts" that suddenly were aware of "Alina's chronic Lz edge & UR problems" after IdF last year, would be extremely happy to know they were wrong: Prins on IdF scoring (among other things)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he is specifically talking about the call he would change i.e. that SP Lze call where he would have now given unclear instead of e. I don't think he said he would change any of the other calls (underrotations and unclear edges in the FS).

 

[readernick]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he is specifically talking about the call he would change i.e. that SP Lze call where he would have now given unclear instead of e. I don't think he said he would change any of the other calls (underrotations and unclear edges in the FS).

That is exactly what he appears to be saying. He would have given her a 3Lz! rather than 3Lze if he had viewed the jump from another angle. However, he seems to stand by the other calls. Nothing dramatic in the interview.

 

[flanker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he is specifically talking about the call he would change i.e. that SP Lze call where he would have now given unclear instead of e. I don't think he said he would change any of the other calls (underrotations and unclear edges in the FS).

The question he is replying is general and than gives one specific case, that Lz. He follows the question so he answers generally at first and then he is focusing at that specific case.

The problem is when he says "It seems to me that our panel was consistent and strict to all skaters - to all russian women, japanese women, american women", which is perfectly laughable in connection with the judging during the last season, not just in France, but I've spent much more time on that than I would like a year ago.

 

[sweetice]

I can see where this is going. Talalaikina wins Nationals and is sent to Europeans...

...and then win the Europeans

 

[JazzUp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he is specifically talking about the call he would change

you are - he was specifically asked about ALL of the technical problems that the panel saw in Alina's SP (wrong edge and many UR's), and he replied that now he would ONLY mark the edge as flat, that's it.

 

[silveruskate]

The question he is replying is general and than gives one specific case, that Lz. He follows the question so he answers generally at first and then he is focusing at that specific case.

The problem is when he says "It seems to me that our panel was consistent and strict to all skaters - to all russian women, japanese women, american women", which is perfectly laughable in connection with the judging during the last season, not just in France, but I've spent much more time on that than I would like a year ago.

His comments on judging were laughable and revealing. The way he said they decide whether they will be strict or not today depending on how they judged the first few skaters? Leaving it a little late.

Not saying it's his fault as he said he wants another camera angle and 60fps. But the idea that there is a vast difference on calls for the technical side depending on if you judge strictly or leniently means the tools they are given are nowhere near close enough to give accurate results.

On the technical side through these comment he all but confirmed that judging is completely relative. It's so absurd, but if this is true on the *tech calls* side, then it's definitely true for PCS/GOE too. Literally impossible to compare between competitions.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

you are - he was specifically asked about ALL of the technical problems that the panel saw in Alina's SP (wrong edge and many UR's), and he replied that now he would ONLY mark the edge as flat, that's it.

You said they are wrong and then repeated exactly what they said. That this is the only call he would change. I must be missing something.

 

[readernick]

You said they are wrong and the repeated exactly what they said. That this is the only call he would change. I must be missing something.

My guess is you are missing the original poster's intent to misrepresent what was said.
This interview was interesting, but only because it is further proof that technical panels need to be more consistent (between differing competitions- strict for all is fair for all), and that they need better equipment. The first requires the technical callers to be willing to make federations angry when they make strict but fair calls. and the second requires an increased budget for better camera angles. I don't have a lot of hope that things will change soon.

 

[JazzUp]

You said they are wrong and then repeated exactly what they said. That this is the only call he would change. I must be missing something.

again, he said that out of all of the remarks regarding the technical problems, he - after review that he also mentioned - would leave ONLY ONE call standing and even that would be corrected to "!"

 

[Skatesocs]

You said they are wrong and then repeated exactly what they said. That this is the only call he would change. I must be missing something.

My guess is you are missing the original poster's intent to misrepresent what was said.

JazzUp is saying that Prins points out he would leave only one call standing of all the ones he made last season - and would still correct it to a (!).

I'm not sure what the problem is, unless someone else would like to give a translation of the Russian text?

 

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[Magill]

JazzUp is saying that Prins points out he would leave only one call standing of all the ones he made last season - and would still correct it to a (!).

I'm not sure what the problem is, unless someone else would like to give a translation of the Russian text?

Here you go:
"Q: Your panel was especially strict with Alina Zagitova. For the first time in her career, she had a wrong edge on the lutz in the protocol, a lot of underrotations. Do you think Alina really had so many technical problems then? -
A: It seems to me that our panel was consistent and strict to all skaters - to all Russian women, Japanese women, American women. As for the errors ... Yes, unfortunately, there really were a lot of them, as is usually the case in ladies' competitions. Speaking specifically about Alina, then, using all the available angles, now I would put only an unclear edge on the lutz in the combo with loop in the short program. From our place, the edge was exactly flat or even slightly inside. If you look from the top of the arena or from behind, then the inside edge is no longer visible. "
I am not a native speaker and my Russian is surely far from perfect but it seems to me the way he said it is really kind of wide open for interpretation. He says "I would put only an unclear edge on the lutz" which some may interpret "no more than an unclear edge" meaning "only ! not e" while some others read it as "the only thing I would put in the protocol" meaning he would not put in any more errors. As we tend to interpret things in line with what we believe ourselves so we go...

 

[readernick]

That particular phrase could be open to interpretation, but the rest of the interview makes it clear what he means and it isn't what the original poster was suggesting. I hate the fake drama people bring to this forum. There are actually substantive issues shown in this interview that need to be addressed, but they aren't what the OP suggests.

 

[Skatesocs]

He says "I would put only an unclear edge on the lutz" which some may interpret "no more than an unclear edge" meaning "only ! not e" while some others read it as "the only thing I would put in the protocol" meaning he would not put in any more errors.

But that wasn't the problem pointed out by the two posters I quoted JazzUp translated it exactly like you did, and interpreted it in a specific way, that was called a misrepresentation Nor was it a repetition of what the person who asked for the clarification said. So your translation doesn't change my understanding of what was said by Prins in Russian. How was what they said a misrepresentation, or a repetition of what someone asked about?

As we tend to interpret things in line with what we believe ourselves so we go...

Yes, so we do.

That particular phrase could be open to interpretation, but the rest of the interview makes it clear what he means and it isn't what the original poster was suggesting

You could have pointed it out for the rest of us - as someone who genuinely doesn't understand Russian - instead of just calling someone out.

I hate the fake drama people bring to this forum.

Yeah.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

So Kamila V. just jumped a fully rotated 3A in her SP at CoR without warming it up before
Edit: Guys, my bad, she did warm it up. See the posts below for links.

 

[Skatesocs]

So Kamila V. just jumped a fully rotated 3A in her SP at CoR without warming it up before

Was really cool! And she's improved as a performer.

 

[Kittosuni]

So Kamila V. just jumped a fully rotated 3A in her SP at CoR without warming it up before

It is very brave not warming it up but me thinks she decided to just went for it since she doesnt loose anything here anyway.

 

[readernick]

So Kamila V. just jumped a fully rotated 3A in her SP at CoR without warming it up before

It was awesome! That girl is incredible!

 

[Lechat]

Good job from kamila. I wasn’t expecting the 3A for the short but she did well for a first attempt in competition

I’m looking forward to see her bolero

 

[Lechat]

It is very brave not warming it up but me thinks she decided to just went for it since she doesnt loose anything here anyway.

yup without Liza and Alena, she has no rival. It’s a good training for her before the nationals