Well, it makes very little difference in total points, when there is a fall, whether it's UR or not
Her other jump passages received 4's quite universally. And the spins, well the usual stuff.
Plushenko: "What is happening is absurd."
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Her other jump passages received 4's quite universally. And the spins, well the usual stuff.
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Wow! Nationals scoring is so interesting!
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Actually I do remember him talking about "envelopes being pushed around" a year ago (was it just a year ago? since the pandemic, it feels like eternity.... sigh!) during his public rants with TT team after Alina had suspended her career or whatever word was used to call it then. He did not have any skaters on the top-of-the-tops level then and it did not look like he had any direct interest in scoring, just an "interested by-stander", so to say. Still, the response he got was pretty much the same - outrageous, how dare he. Whatever, he seems at least consistent with his perception of the Russsian FS world which he has been an insider of for so many years
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On the same day, Rika Kihira recieved less for her short program than Kamila Valieva with a gorgeous clean 3A (and the rest of the program). Valieva’s Bielman spin is beautiful.
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Well, Japanese nationals aren't the same beast as Russian nationals, are they? In Japan you are lucky to get as much as you would internationally (Kaori excepted).. Russian nationals is a different beast but I was still shocked by Valieva's score in the short.
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I understand that the national scoring differs, and I understand the desire to reward Valieva’s for attempting a 3A, but imo, Valieva’s score just did not reflect the need for objective, somewhat predictive and consistent judging on that day, i.e. in my view, and only in my view, Plushenko is correct in pointing it out.
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Kostornaia got ten points more with a similar layout (slightly easier) last season, but a succesful 3A. Kamila's score is totally expected from Russian judges and I don't see much wrong with the protocols either. Everything is as you would expect it to be.
This whining is getting really tiresome
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Not saying it happens or does not happen in Russia now, as I have no way to know, but I wonder how these things usually come to surface. There surely were some big bribery scandals in sports somewhere in the world, anyone here knows how they got spotted? Like anywhere else, bribery is so hard to prove cause it happens between two parties none of whom is interested to make it public. So... I have a feeling one of potential ways to make something happen is to build up the pressure to have a proper investigation started by relevant institutions and have it proven true or untrue. Cannot see it happen in Russia, though.
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My problem with rewarding Kamila's 3A attempt is that when - at some earlier competitions - Sasha was not rewarded for attempting 3A we could hear that "it is not enough to attempt, she needs to deliver" although she did not even fall but just had a step out or an imperfect landing. The very same people seem to be alright with this huge reward for Kamila for a 3A attempt resulting in a fall.
What are you even talking about? What reward?
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On some level I understand putting Trusova under more scrutiny domestically for her jumping passes, because they are the backbone of her success, but on the other hand, I feel that her short program was also beautiful.
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I get your point but I don't feel comfortable with allowing applying different standards to different skaters for any reason. I think judging should be consistent as a rule, or at least as close to consistent as possible.
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-5 GOE, deduction and underrotation call was her reward.
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Some degree of consistency is there, because in senior competitions, Trusova is ranked third in Russia, based on the spins/PCS. So, the SS improvement is not sufficient, it has to be the spins or it has to be 3A+3 quad program, or at least that’s how I understand it. I think she can achieve it in some competitions, hopefully the right ones.
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Whether or not Sasha was under Tutberidze, the outcome of this event would remain the same, just imo, at least with regards to standings.
Clean-ish Aliona or Kamila would still score higher than Sasha. Aliona with a step out of a combo and 2A would earn more than Sasha with a step out from 3A and a clean combo, that’s the reality.
Kamila? Same story.
Regardless of the proposed adjustments, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome in my opinion.
Clean-ish Aliona or Kamila would still score higher than Sasha. Aliona with a step out of a combo and 2A would earn more than Sasha with a step out from 3A and a clean combo, that’s the reality.
Kamila? Same story.
Regardless of the proposed adjustments, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome in my opinion.
There are some things, where I would give Sasha more points like her 4Lz-3T, but overall yes, the ranking were correct.
By the way, why was she not punished on her second 4Lz (if I recall correctly the protocols). I'm watching it now and it's at least a 'q' in my books. Kamila had a weird q call with her 3F on the free. Sadly there is no replay, but with the live video there seems to be a slight turn of the blade in landing, but very slight.
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It’s not even worth hoping for. Believe me.
I think Plushenko is fully prepared to fit into this envelope system. The problem is that they don't want to let him in there. Eteri doesn't want to. She wants everything to herself IMO.
For me, national scores - not just rusnats, watch USA nationals or Canadian nationals for some insane scoring - should not be looked as absolute values. They ARE inflated.
So questions like "how come she got 80 with a fall" are meaningless.
The main discussion point would be if the order is correct, and if everyone was overscored equally. And here, I'd say that Sasha was scored fairly compared to others. SP is always her weakness, and this specific SP highlights her weaknesses (unlike her FS). If anything, she probably was overscored compared to some less known skaters who actually had the same tech content. I mean, come on, she got almost same PCs as Usacheva (just watch both skates one after the other to see my point).
I understand that, by his behaviour after her skate, Plushenko expected her to get 90 at least and was upset.
Also, his interview quite clearly is not about fair scores, his interview is about "his" skaters not being placed above everyone else.
So questions like "how come she got 80 with a fall" are meaningless.
The main discussion point would be if the order is correct, and if everyone was overscored equally. And here, I'd say that Sasha was scored fairly compared to others. SP is always her weakness, and this specific SP highlights her weaknesses (unlike her FS). If anything, she probably was overscored compared to some less known skaters who actually had the same tech content. I mean, come on, she got almost same PCs as Usacheva (just watch both skates one after the other to see my point).
I understand that, by his behaviour after her skate, Plushenko expected her to get 90 at least and was upset.
Also, his interview quite clearly is not about fair scores, his interview is about "his" skaters not being placed above everyone else.
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