2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

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One more participant to Anna’s dance challenge!

Sorry Artyom, no chance

 

[brakes]

Sorry Artyom, no chance

Nobody moves like Anya!

 

[Thrashergurl]

I'm sorry but somehow I don't see a meaning of the term "currently competing" where you see it.


As for the accomplishments, on the olympics the rank of countries is counted by the gold medals, then silver medals, then bronze medals. The system works the way that any number of silver medals can't overcome the gold. In the similar way IMO Alina's achievement of winning gold at every of the four most important international competitions (plus junior plus domestic) is IMO more than a number of other med(t)als at competitions.

Then perhaps you need to find my original post and reread it, because it’s clearly there. You’re trying to argue just to argue.

 

[flanker]

Then perhaps you need to find my original post and reread it, because it’s clearly there. You’re trying to argue just to argue.

You mean that one about Alina not enjoying competing? Thank you very much indeed for reminding me that.

Now, I'm not arguing, I simply state that the line of separation between "competing" vs. "not competing" makes no sense in the place where you put it.

 

[colormyworld240]

Then perhaps you need to find my original post and reread it, because it’s clearly there. You’re trying to argue just to argue.

Alina has touched on this in her interviews. She talked about how competing pre- and even during the Olympics was different from after. She said that she used to be just happy to be there to skate and do her best. But after she won the Olympics, the negative comments really affected her mindset and she felt a lot of pressure everyone she skated. She didn't mention anyone specifically, but I'm guessing these included figures like TAT telling her dad on national television that they like others more, notable journalists saying they wanted to smash her head because she stole the gold, the mass comments on social media proclaiming that she was "over" every time she made a mistake, or that she will be "over soon" if she skated well, predicting her retirement, etc. She was 15, but those things would also affect 50 y/os and I'm just glad she wasn't completely destroyed mentally (that we know of).

 

[Thrashergurl]

Yes. She was skating with the weight of the world on her shoulders. She looked stressed and it was hard to miss. She looks so much happier now, as she should. She is a darling young lady. I’ve read so many posts about how humble and sweet she is. Nobody is bashing her here and nobody should have to defend their opinions on how one seemed to appear while skating with the pressure of proving oneself.

 

[Scott512]

I think it´s fair since they participated in the senior category.

Any skater that skated in the senior Russian cup stages cannot skate in junior Nationals. That should be the rule. Those three TT girls getting massive experience by skating in those senior events. I'm glad none of them will be skating at Junior Nationals. You have to pick and choose in life and those three girls chose fo skate the senior events.

 

[Mathman]

As for the accomplishments, on the olympics the rank of countries is counted by the gold medals, then silver medals, then bronze medals. The system works the way that any number of silver medals can't overcome the gold. In the similar way IMO Alina's achievement of winning gold at every of the four most important international competitions (plus junior plus domestic) is IMO more than a number of other med(t)als at competitions.

The trouble with this argument is that it is backward. You begin with deciding which of two skaters you like better, then you conclude that the acheivements of the one are more to be admired than the achivements of the other.

Oh well, we all do the same thing. I like Michelle Kwan the best and ... FIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS! -- wrap your mind around that, all you fans of the younger generation.

 

[Scott512]

Alina has touched on this in her interviews. She talked about how competing pre- and even during the Olympics was different from after. She said that she used to be just happy to be there to skate and do her best. But after she won the Olympics, the negative comments really affected her mindset and she felt a lot of pressure everyone she skated. She didn't mention anyone specifically, but I'm guessing these included figures like TAT telling her dad on national television that they like others more, notable journalists saying they wanted to smash her head because she stole the gold, the mass comments on social media proclaiming that she was "over" every time she made a mistake, or that she will be "over soon" if she skated well, predicting her retirement, etc. She was 15, but those things would also affect 50 y/os and I'm just glad she wasn't completely destroyed mentally (that we know of).

I remember TAT saying that in front of Alinas father on TV and Adelina who went through hell after her 2014 olympic gold was like WTF TAT and ran up to Alinas dad and gave him a congratulatory hug! Remember that? That was so sweet of Adelina to do.

 

[Tonight's the Night]

Just to add something on one of the two discussions going here, there's also the general sense of "greatness" that a skater has independent of medal count, however medal count is construed. Sasha Cohen, for example: she never won a big world-level gold, but I've seen that so many people, "experts" and "fans" alike, consider her to be one of the all-time greats, and she must know it and take pride in it. Not everything, but a lot to be sure.

 

[Scott512]

The trouble with this argument is that it is backward. You begin with deciding which of two skaters you like better, then you conclude that the acheivements of the one are more to be admired than the achivements of the other.

Oh well, we all do the same thing. I like Michelle Kwan the best and ... FIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS! -- wrap your mind around that, all you fans of the younger generation.

Michelle is a GOAT for sure.

I've never started a thread at this board and I was thinking of doing one for top five Russinas of all time. It's a great top five with number five being a three-way tie and a surprise at #4. .
I try to take greatness in a short amount of time and blend it in with longevity. Much better competition for the Russian ladies in recent years though.


But I'm not sure I want to start this thread. Maybe somebody else can do it.

 

[Mathman]

I've never started a thread at this board and I was thinking of doing one for top five Russinas of all time.

Irina Rodnina, took all others to the cleana.

And don't forget Ludmilla the Thrilla (Belousova).

 

[Scott512]

Irina Rodnina, took all others to the cleana.

And don't forget Ludmilla the Thrilla (Belousova).

I forgot about Ludmilla man. Lol. And I forgot about about that Irina. She would be number one with pairs ladies. The younger Irina made my top five of course. In fact she's in my top three without saying which spot.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Are you saying that you can say "Alina never enjoyed competing" and people shouldn't respond to that because that's your opinion?!
Well whenever you express your opinions on the internet, people can respond to it and they have every right to do so.

By the way a skater can get very nervous yet still enjoy competing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

You’re not quoting my actual post. You are strategically omitting a few of my exact words so that you can go on and on with how you feel posts need to be worded. For the sake of the up and up, I’m going to assume you’re very young and skipped through my actual sentence about Alina in my original post and leave it at that. If you need a word by word breakdown of what I posted, feel free to private message me, however you can see my full statement regarding what I posted just one page back on this exact message board. Good luck

 

[lopsilceci]

Oh my. My comment very clearly stated that Medvedeva is the most accomplished of the ladies currently competing. Alina isn’t currently competing, unless we all missed the memo.

No offense, but the last time we saw Evgenia compete was even before Alina's last competition and from the little we've seen of her on the ice since, I honestly see a much higher chance of Alina making an effective comeback to competitive skating than Evgenia.

 

[Thrashergurl]

No offense, but the last time we saw Evgenia compete was even before Alina's last competition and from the little we've seen of her on the ice since, I honestly see a much higher chance of Alina making an effective comeback to competitive skating than Evgenia.

You’re probably right, but Medvedeva made her intentions very clear that she intends to continue. Do I think she’ll be successful? Eh. Let’s see how her body holds up and what magic Eteri can work.

 

[Amei]

No offense, but the last time we saw Evgenia compete was even before Alina's last competition and from the little we've seen of her on the ice since, I honestly see a much higher chance of Alina making an effective comeback to competitive skating than Evgenia.

Well in defense of who is the 'current competitor' - 1 of those skaters intended to compete this year but has been sidelined due to injury and illness, the other has announced her break from competition and has opted to do media work vs. competition (no negative judgement on that choice). So sure neither are currently attending competitions but 1 of them has clearly been striving for it and the other has not.

 

[chasingneverland]

Those 3 are outstanding but they're only treated as seniors because of the pandemic messing up the season.

They would be treated as seniors nationally regardless. Perhaps recall Anna, Sasha, and Aliona in their final junior year.

 

[chasingneverland]

Implying the fear of defeat in junior competition on the skaters is not my way how to support them. Both Sofias are strong contenders but Kamila at full power as we saw her at nationals is damn good and this is just underestimating her true power. And honestly it's also underestimating the power of Anna and Sasha if someone implies that currently Sofias are more serious competitors for her than the top seniors

Kamila did big improvement in presentation where Sofias currently still lack on her. In the two or more years it can be different but in this moment clean Kamila can be hardly beaten by the juniors. She can have a bad day but such possibility is there everytime no matter on the level of competition. After all any competitor must have adequate level of self-confidence, not to start being afraid of losing.

People tend to forget how tough, competitive and determined those girls are, despite their (deceptive ) fragile appearance. If they weren't they wouldn't be so damn good.

Agreed. If all are clean, Kamila will win. She has the technical content and has higher PCS and GOE.

 

[bubblecherry]

No offense, but the last time we saw Evgenia compete was even before Alina's last competition and from the little we've seen of her on the ice since, I honestly see a much higher chance of Alina making an effective comeback to competitive skating than Evgenia.

No offense, but you’re actually wrong. Evgenia competed at last year’s RusNats in the SP and has intended to compete in every competition since then. Alina took a break after GPF last year and did not compete at Rusnats and hasn’t had any intentions of competing since then. Clearly the situations are different, but Zhenya competed after Alina took a break and was also at the Test Skates this year.

Who cares, anyway? Why are people arguing about semantics?