2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[readernick]

Cancel again? At this point? They already paid the singers.

If foreign travelers are required to quarantine there is no plan in place. So, yes. It could end up being cancelled.

 

[Skatesocs]

They already paid the singers.

Best reason ever - and I'm sure some have used these exact words at the ISU!

 

[alexocfp]

Sport-Express article about Latushkina. https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...om-katanii-pochemu-u-nee-net-trenera-1755501/

If your skating idol is Liza, 2 things are true: you are intelligent, and you are going places.

 

[alexocfp]

Very impressive! I hope she can get a coach soon.

Maybe her idol Liza can coach her. Liza legacy can go on.

 

[Shayuki]

I'm pretty sure Kamila is RusFeds Olympic bet, she received a lot of publicity and gets big scores in national competitions (though in junior comps she too was highly regarded by the judges). Other juniors do not come close to her skills. Meanwhile for a long time, Anna was the "middle child"-at first Sasha was considered the new big thing with quads, later Aliona got her 3A. Only this season Anna finally settled her position of Russia's #1. And if she wins Worlds, that will give her a significant advantage for next season score wise.

I'd say that the only reason she was the "middle child" is because of her two major injuries in a row; in late 2016(missing nationals) as well as 2017 summer(missing JGP season). Otherwise, she had the better quad in comparison to Trusova and of course was superior in artistry. The FS she would have had for the 17-18 season would also have been something else.

Then people got introduced to skaters like Trusova and Kostornaya and Shcherbakova had her work cut out for her trying to beat out skaters who already had become fan favorites, especially considering how poor her condition was after the injury, even in 18-19.

 

[Dawn825]

I'd also say she's the middle child because Trusova was the most athletic and Kostornaia was the most artistic, and Scherbakova fell in the middle of the athlete/artist scale.

 

[flanker]

Yes, I read the protocols that the ISU setup for World's and I found them less than confidence building. It really doesn't look like enough time has been put into arranging the event in a safe manner, and if travelers need to quarantine I think there only option will be to cancel because they have nothing in place to deal with that scenario. I should discuss this in a separate thread but World's definitely isn't guaranteed to happen.

Currently there are tennis tournaments (Australian Open, ATP Cup just finished), there was handball world championship, there are skiing competitions (some of them is Sweden), and if ISU was able to organize speed skating competitions (world cup in january, world championships are just about to start, there are short track events), then why figure skating should be halted.

 

[chasingneverland]

The current set of rules is clearly not to her benefit. It caps her jumping in the short, allowing only 3A, which is the hardest jump for her.
Thus it gives advantage to Rika, Kamila, Aliona and others.

I really wonder how things would look if quads were allowed in SP, say, next cycle? Because I think it might turn things around for Sasha. She’d be able to jump reliable quads like her 4Lz and 4T, while her closest rivals probably will only do 1 quad and 1 3A. So it will give her a very big tes advantage.
Although Anna will probably do 2 quads as well then.

Considering Anna can already do 3 quads in a FS and Kamila can do 2 quads and a triple axel in a FS (and already has a more stable 3A than Sasha right now), I don't think her closest rivals would be capped at 1 quad and 1 3A.. Obviously rules don't allow that right now but judging by what her closest competitors can do already do, regardless everyone would upgrade to adjust to those new rules. Eteri's camp in particular seems to always use the current rules to their advantage

 

[chasingneverland]

So who will be at the Russian Cup except for Alena and Liza?
Are Anna, Sasha and Kamila supposed to show up? If Kamila does, that would be the last we see of her this season, if not this show was already it?

From what I understand, Anna doesn't have to because she already is on the world's team but she might - for practice and to get another competition under her belt but she also might not - she's already on the world's team and still recovering from pneumonia. Kamila also qualified but she also don't HAVE to because she's a junior and not eligible for worlds' this year (same with Daria and Maiia) but she might - mainly to get more practice on her 3A in competition. But also to solidify her position as the one to beat going into next year and also because it would be her last event of the season.

But neither Anna, Kamila, Daria, or Maiia HAVE to.

Sasha does need to though - it's part of the World's team selection process as well as everyone else that qualified and isn't already named - so essentially the entire RusNats team (except for Anna)/pretty much all of the RusNats competitiors.

 

[chasingneverland]

I just have to say that I feel a bit bad for Anna. She literally had to win RC 2-3 times in row and have a great senior season to get the PCS that she's at right now meanwhile the juniors are getting it pretty easily and Kamila has even overtaken her in PCS (internally ofc)

You could say the same thing about Evgenia and Alina though.

You can say the same thing about Aliona - even last year Anna had almost caught her on PCS and now Aliona has missed many competitions and isn't even a guarantee to make the team.

And Kamila was always going to be considered a threat. She was the complete package even as a novice/junior and widely praised since she was around 11/12. And she's always gotten amazing PCS - she's already broken most of the junior records set by the 3A and would have broken everything if she had actually gotten to compete this season. She's super well loved by the RusFed and international judges - look at her international reputation and resume.

 

[chasingneverland]

If anyone can handle it it's Anna. The battles between her and KV will be very interesting and probably very close.

I hope Anna does not skate in the Russian Cup Final that she rests up and get stronger for the world championships. If she loses to KV in the Russian Cup final which is possible then that could hurt her going into Worlds.

True but it hurts the others even more. It hurts Aliona the most.

 

[eterialskating]

Currently there are tennis tournaments (Australian Open, ATP Cup just finished), there was handball world championship, there are skiing competitions (some of them is Sweden), and if ISU was able to organize speed skating competitions (world cup in january, world championships are just about to start, there are short track events), then why figure skating should be halted.

It would be ridiculous and plain stupid to cancel Worlds again. That's 2 years in a row. That's just unacceptable. The other sports like tennis and football have been back to schedule for months now but somehow ISU is still stuck in March 2020 and Covid hysteria was at its peak. European football competitions like CL and EL are being played all over Europe. US Open and French Open were played last season. So what then is the holdup? If Sweden can't do it without making skaters jump through hoops to compete then give it to Russia or some other country that's willing and more sensible. The Russians were able to organize Worlds a decade ago pronto when Japan was hit by disaster.

 

[Thrashergurl]

True but it hurts the others even more. It hurts Aliona the most.

I agree with this. Aloina, to me, is the most talented and definitely something special. But Kamila is also an amazing talent and the clear #1 right now. Aloina will really have to prove herself

 

[chasingneverland]

I agree with this. Aloina, to me, is the most talented and definitely something special. But Kamila is also an amazing talent and the clear #1 right now. Aloina will really have to prove herself

I agree. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Aliona. However, she's hurt the most by Kamila getting quads because Kamila is also artistic with lovely lines. It's like how Anna can be considered the balance between both Aliona and Sasha's strengths (artistry vs quads) but without being as strong in either (and with her own weaknesses namely skating skills and lutz edges but she's not alone in that). However, Kamila does that even better, without the edge issues of the others and now with a 3A. Kamila is also younger with less injuries or illnesses than the others.

 

[ruga]

It would be ridiculous and plain stupid to cancel Worlds again. That's 2 years in a row. That's just unacceptable. The other sports like tennis and football have been back to schedule for months now but somehow ISU is still stuck in March 2020 and Covid hysteria was at its peak. European football competitions like CL and EL are being played all over Europe. US Open and French Open were played last season. So what then is the holdup? If Sweden can't do it without making skaters jump through hoops to compete then give it to Russia or some other country that's willing and more sensible. The Russians were able to organize Worlds a decade ago pronto when Japan was hit by disaster.

A problem with Russia is that due to doping scandal they can't organize any big sports events until 2022 I believe. Athletes are currently exempt from travel restrictions to Sweden though. And um ISU did indeed pay for the singers already (would be nice if they used money to make bigger prizes or better judging system instead but who am I to judge).

 

[Scott512]

True but it hurts the others even more. It hurts Aliona the most.

Why?

No one would expect aliona to beat Anna or Mills at the cup final. Aliona needs to beat Liza.

It would be ridiculous and plain stupid to cancel Worlds again. That's 2 years in a row. That's just unacceptable. The other sports like tennis and football have been back to schedule for months now but somehow ISU is still stuck in March 2020 and Covid hysteria was at its peak. European football competitions like CL and EL are being played all over Europe. US Open and French Open were played last season. So what then is the holdup? If Sweden can't do it without making skaters jump through hoops to compete then give it to Russia or some other country that's willing and more sensible. The Russians were able to organize Worlds a decade ago pronto when Japan was hit by disaster.

So agree.

If Stockholm changes their mind then move it to Saint Petersburg or Tallin. All 3 cities are in the same general region.

I don't think worlds will be cancelled sgain. Damn well better not be. Especially when so many other sports or playing or big events like the Super Bowl or australian open..

We could have had Europeans in January.. Why was that canceled and so many other sporting events in Europe are played every day?

 

[chasingneverland]

Why?

No one would expect aliona to beat Anna or Mills at the cup final. Aliona needs to beat Liza.

Because the competition with Kamila isn't for this year it's for the 3 Olympic spots next year and ultimately the OGM. There are only 3 spots.

Who is Mills?? (Sasha??)

 

[starlight97]

If all continue as they are going right now, the fight for the 3rd spot will be between Alena and Sasha.
Heavily favoring Sasha at the moment.
If both fall short and Darya gets a 3A it gets interesting.

 

[alexocfp]

No more Queen too, if possible. I‘ve had enough Queen this year to last me for the next 10 years.

By queen do you mean the band or a skater? Haha

 

[Scott512]

Because the competition with Kamila isn't for this year it's for the 3 Olympic spots next year and ultimately the OGM. There are only 3 spots.

Who is Mills?? (Sasha??)

Milla a typo.Kamila.

Yes the Olympic spot is so valuable and there may only be one spot available were up for grabs..

But all of that is next season to to be sided in December at nationals January at Europeans not now and now is for worlds this year and the 3rd spot is still up for grabs. The 1st 2 spots are solidified whether they've been announced or not