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well yes from a competition perspective that's what I'm worried about too - but in assessing the coaching situation... what is going on at AOP! She needs to be in a good coaching situation before getting to a good competition state.
Oh you're correct about that, it gives the impression that Veronika's not paid a whole lot of attention to, otherwise it's baffling how they don't know how she's supposed to be doing her choreo isn't it...

I hope she manages to eventually get into an environment suitable for her. Even now her falls were due to overrotating the jumps, it's not like she should be struggling... I think it's all mental for her currently and her support group's completely failing her in that regard.
 
Where did she say that?
All I heard was after her SP: "After today there is no tomorrow". Then after her FS: "I thought it was the end but now I have a more optimistic outlook"
I believe in an interview she said she was thinking about continuing her career following the Olympics (previously she had said she would retire after 2022).
 
What’s wrong with Veronika ? It was painful to watch. Poor girl, she’s so talented and beautiful.

It’s obvious she’s not ready to land that 3A yet. She’s a year younger than Sofia A don’t push her. I hope she’s ok and not injured.
You can still medal without 3A or quads, Dasha and Adelia are the perfect exemples.
 
I believe in an interview she said she was thinking about continuing her career following the Olympics (previously she had said she would retire after 2022).
Correct. She said she cannot see her life without figure skating, and Beijing seems too close to give up the sport. She said “if her health allows, why not continue?”

As for the “there is no tomorrow” comment, I believe she was referring to the world’s team. The Russian cup final was skated for the final spot for world’s. By scoring so low in the SP, I think she knew there was no recovery, and the rest of the competition was not going to change the matter. Perhaps one of her coaches said “focus on tomorrow” and she responded with the like. It is easy to say things we don’t mean in a moment of grief or anger anyways.
 
I do think there is valid criticism to Plushenko and his team for some of the choices they have made, not only when it comes to Kostornaya but Zhilina here as well. Bringing in a new advisor/coach in Morozov and then not having the two coaches communicate with each other is reckless and potentially dangerous. I‘m talking about Zhilina being told to start her program skating in another direction and her mother later on scolding her for it because she‘d had no idea. For an already nervous competitor - and a kid at that - this must be so confusing and it just shows a lack of professionalism. The 3A in the SP is another issue - obviously she can do it in training but in competition she falls even on other triples. If she had just skated a clean SP at Nationals and here with a 2A, 3F, 3Lz+3T, she would have placed a lot higher and had a better chance at making the national team next season.

On the other hand, I think it‘s pretty silly and overdramatic to attribute all of these skaters‘ troubles to Plushenko, as if he‘s personally ruining them. Like you said, Veronika‘s not a natural competitor and being primarily coached by your own mother is also always a challenge. So, why is this Plushenko‘s fault? He can‘t change her personality, it‘s something she‘ll have to grow into.

The lack of overall experience from most coaches at the camp there is concerning but I don‘t think everything‘s bad either. They seem to have pretty good conditions there, specialists and ice time. It‘s just that routine comes with experience and vice versa and they have to find a common ground. Maybe the transfer of so many top talents was too soon but I doubt the project‘s failed from the start. Or at least I hope it isn‘t..

the pb is not Plushi but her mother for meddling with her training.

Like I already said, it’s a waste of her talent.
 
What’s wrong with Veronika ? It was painful to watch. Poor girl, she’s so talented and beautiful.

It’s obvious she’s not ready to land that 3A yet. She’s a year younger than Sofia A don’t push her. I hope she’s ok and not injured.
You can still medal without 3A or quads, Dasha and Adelia are the perfect exemples.
I have been wondering how Russia was going to select it's Ladies.....In fact, the entire team without having Europeans this year. Isn't that usually when they make the final decision on the team?
 
the pb is not Plushi but her mother for meddling with her training.

Like I already said, it’s a waste of her talent.
I quite agree...

Imagine when she goes home at night, what the dinner conversation is like. I recall a girl I played soccer with who’s father acted as if her second coach despite that he was never present at our practices and constantly gave her guidance in opposition to our actual coaches. She played so well in practice, and then come game time would get SO nervous with her dad yelling one thing at her on the one side of the field and our coaches wondering why she wasn’t adhering to our strategy on the other side that she would break down crying mid-game. And then, she would stay as late as she could after the game, try to go home with friends, because she didn’t want to be confronted by her father about her play, which wasn’t that bad, but simply was not what he’d expected from her and wasn’t what she was capable of.

Parents should offer moral support and nothing more. There is a reason why you hire coaches, and there is a reason why parents often send their children to other professionals for help regardless of their own proficiency in something. Especially in a competitive environment, children shouldn’t have the weight of thinking that by failing in competition they are disgracing their family name or making their parents look bad or that they are failing their parents by not succeeding.
 
I couldn't have facepalmed harder than I did when I heard the conversation about Morozov in KnK. :palmf:
 
I have been wondering how Russia was going to select it's Ladies.....In fact, the entire team without having Europeans this year. Isn't that usually when they make the final decision on the team?
No, they're usually named from RusNats - at least the first two spots. Unless something crazy happens like three juniors win and then leaders stumble at Euros and then they have a skate off like at RusCup Final 2019. That's never happened before though.

This year they did something kinda similar and named the winners of each discipline straight to the team. So Anna was named at RusNats. Then they used the other competitions this year - stages and Rostelecom - and reputation and body of work as well as RusNats - to name Sasha so she didn't have to go to to RusCup Final for her spot. (IF Kamila and Daria and Maiia etc were age eligible she might have had to but as it stands there are no contenders for her spot and kinda aren't even if they are age eligible as there are still two spots left and Daria/Maiia/Liza T can't beat her if she's clean.) Now if Aliona was also back to her form from last year then Sasha also might have had to go, but she's not. So the last spot came down to Aliona and Liza T - everyone else isn't age eligible or is just not good enough. And for that they used the RusCup Final and Liza came ahead there (as well as ahead elsewhere), so Liza T was named. (Similar things happened in all the disciplines.)
 
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What happened??
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
 
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
The mom even said "who? The holy spirit?" when Veronika said someone told her to skate in a different direction.
 
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
Oh I see it now. I just skipped a large part of the last page when I saw the mastery of blades stuff again.

Yeah, this really must be confusing for her. I wonder what the situation is in AoP... Trusova's getting great guidance... Others not so much. I hope it's not the case that they invested into one star.
 
No, they're usually named from RusNats - at least the first two spots. Unless something crazy happens like three juniors win and then leaders stumble at Euros and then they have a skate off like at RusCup Final 2019. That's never happened before though.

This year they did something kinda similar and named the winners of each discipline straight to the team. So Anna was named at RusNats. Then they used the other competitions this year - stages and Rostelecom - and reputation and body of work - to name Sasha so she didn't have to go to to RusCup Final for her spot. (IF Kamila and Daria and Maiia etc were age eligible she might have had to but as it stands there are no contenders for her spot and kinda aren't even if they are age eligible as there are still two spots left and Daria/Maiia/Liza T can't beat her if she's clean.) Now if Aliona was also back to her form from last year then Sasha also might have had to go, but she's not. So the last spot came down to Aliona and Liza T - everyone else isn't age eligible or is just not good enough. And for that they used the RusCup Final and Liza came ahead there (as well as ahead elsewhere), so Liza T was named. (Similar things happened in all the disciplines.)
This is very interesting. :thank: :cheer2:
 
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I think both Veronika and Sofia need to remember that they are aiming to compete at 2026. Its better to be more Conservative now - learn the jumps and build the programs over multiple seasons to contain the jumps rather than rushing difficult content, and in Veronikas case make lots of errors - and in both girls cases probably doing damage to their bodies that might impact their ability by 2026
 
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
I actually thought Plushy dealt much better with it. I mean she's obviously upset and no one has a time machine so what's done is done. The rest - direction she skated, layout, etc - can be addressed afterwards when she and everyone has calmed down and they can look at what to do next.

Also I feel really bad for her. Because it'll come up at home too and at the dinner table etc. which should be a safe space. (It'll be worse if she feels like they've put so much time and effort and sacrifice into her career, blah blah blah.)
 
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
From what I've seen of the translation, she skated the practice just like the SP too? (Plushenko said something like: yesterday she started there too) So does that mean Veronika's mom (her primary coach!) hasn't been watching her practice? Or did Morozov literally randomly tell the poor girl like a day before the competition to skate in a different direction without having tried it before?

Overall, I just don't know if having a parent be the coach is the best decision. Zhilina's got all the goods - good jumps, great technique, great height, and good potential to be a wonderful performer as well - she just needs someone who will help her get it together. And it doesn't look like her mom is that person for her in the coaching world.
 
What other posters have mentioned earlier:

paraphrased:

Veronika's mom: Why did you start (go) from that side?
Veronika, confused: Because he told me that.

(it goes on for a bit with her mom obviously being upset with her and asking her why she did that, why she started skating in that direction, Veronika repeating that she was told like that)

Veronika's mom: Who told you that?
Veronika: Morozov.


I mean... WTF
Poor Vika. Her spirit is broken and she is confused. How can she recover everything? Baby girl desperately needs an off season.

Any idea how the Sofia's and Adelia did today?
 
Poor Vika. Her spirit is broken and she is confused. How can she recover everything? Baby girl desperately needs an off season.

Any idea how the Sofia's and Adelia did today?
Agreed. Also it's the last SP of the season I think. Like what's the point of being upset at her? It happened. Bad skates happen.

The Sofias and Adelia were stunning! Essentially flawless. Sofia A was better than at RusNats.
 
Is it just me or were the judges kind of holding down Akatyeva's score today? (Maybe because she was the first skater? I don't think she got any edge calls either)

Edit: What would be the reasoning behind this? I don't see what they have to gain since she'll be internationally scored starting next year and wouldn't they want to prop up her scores instead?
 
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