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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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icybear said:
Can Alena push Alexandra out of the 3rd spot? With injuries, COVID etc I cant see her returning to how she was when she was with Eteri and beating Alexandra.
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Being injured and sick have hurt her this season but if she's given sufficient time to heal and get better, there's a good chance she can get back on form. It's not like she's a total train wreck.

For all intents and purposes, she had a good showing last weekend. Not it wasn't up to her usual standards and it paled in comparison to the competition she was up against, but it's not like she went out there and failed to rotate all her jumps and just imploded. She gave flawed but respectable skates. With some time to recover, I could totally see her getting back to form considering how much more motivated she's likely to be now that she's no longer one of the favs of the group.
 
Thrashergurl said:
I did see that and was very disappointed. Why would she stay in that environment when clearly she is not a priority?
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Agreed.

Go to CSKA when Aliona would be number one or to Saint Petersburg Rukavicin where she would be number 1 or back to TT where she would not be number 1 but if she gets her form back she would be a contender for the Olympic team.

Alyona knows everyone at TT and she would actually have girls to talk to. I get the feeling she was super isolated at PA. Sasha did her thing with her ice time and alyona did her thing with her ice time. And Stasya was at another location.
 
Scott512 said:
No I didn't see that I hope that kid did not say that.

No need to kick someone when they're down.
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No, I misquoted. The kid wasn't being shady but, in light of what's going on now it sure fits, lol. I'm sure we'll get some kind of statement from Plushy once Eteri's decision is made tomorrow.

Boy, these Russians and their dRaMa. What would we do without it? 🥰
 
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icybear said:
The main thing for Eteri for next season is to have 3 Eteri girls to the olympics. Can Alena push Alexandra out of the 3rd spot? With injuries, COVID etc I cant see her returning to how she was when she was with Eteri and beating Alexandra. Would be better dedicating that time to helping Maia solidify her 2 quads or Daria on her 4s and 3a. I mean if Eteri feels she can return Alena back to her original state, maybe it would be a good option. But I dont see how Plushenko will want her back now. She's literally destroyed his greatest possession. His ego.
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Eteri will put the same level of time to all of them. That way if one of them falters someone is there to take their place. But she also won't wait for anyone to do so on their own terms. Eteri will continue to help those to progress who want to and are able to.
 
I get that Aliona didn’t feel like a top priority over at AOP, but I don’t think she’ll be any higher at Sambo (in fact, I feel like she’ll be lower). She also had a really rough season due to her illnesses and injuries (that if any skater went through would struggle for sure), but I’m not sure that going back to Sambo will solve anything. Based on her current condition, I don’t think she should really be training as hard as she will have to at Sambo (especially since people are going to want them to quickly gain back the 3A to “stick it to Evgeni”). I really don’t know how to feel about this...I don’t think the training conditions at AOP or Sambo suit Aliona (but I’m also not her so I don’t know what she thinks). I hope she does what she thinks is best and what will help her in the future (whatever that may be haha)!
 
Scott512 said:
with Aliona EG would have 5 girls for 3 spots. Plus Zhenya if she gets healthy and scores 230 again.

Does she need alona back at TT? No. But it wouldn't make TT ladies team stronger especially if she gets her triple axle back?

Aliona is a chatterbox and she probably had no one to talk to at PA. No girls anyway. That won't be an issue at TT.

Remember at test skates when Elena ilinykh gave her motherly hugs and big sister Like hugs when Alona was struggling? That was nice. Where was she in the Russian Cup Final as aliona was struggling in her biggest event of the Year desperately trying to make the worlds team?
Elena was on vacation time I guess. I don't know what's going on at that Academy.

But I'm glad you've come to the conclusion that Evgenia and Aliona need to be back at TT. :)

Whatever happens I hope aliona gets healthy and has a great season in the Olympic season.
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Maybe it has to do with the fact Elena Ilinykh is leaving Angels of Plushenko's. Her departure was maybe already acted in the team, so she couldn't be at the Kiss & Cry to comfort Alena Kostornaia.
By the way, it is one more possible reason for the latter, to leave AP.
 
Fluture said:
Lol. I certainly have not “come to that conclusion“, at least not with Evgenia. Her situation was unique, she couldn‘t return to her training base and online coaching wasn‘t working for her + the fact that she was skating at CSKA as a guest, a situation that couldn‘t go on forever. She did the most sensible thing for both her competitive, as well as post-competitive, career when the pandemic forced her hand. If it wasn‘t for that, she‘d be training at TCC and there would be no need for her to go anywhere. But things happened as they did and she‘s back now. If she‘s happy - good! I certainly wish it for her.

With Aliona, it admittedly is a little different. The gamble with Plushenko didn‘t work out and Rozanov couldn‘t help her restore her jumps. It‘s debatable how much of this is influenced by her health condition but it‘s clear, IMO, that the academy doesn‘t have much of a plan when it comes to her. And generally, there seem to be lots of internal and structural problems there. So, what should she do? Probably, sticking it out with Rozanov would be better, as this continuous drama can only hurt her. But if she has to change coaches again, Tutberidze really is the only option. Otherwise Aliona would have to adjust to a completely new environment, new people and methods - and in the Olympic season at that.

I hope Tutberidze accepts her, not because I‘m hopeful she‘ll be able to help her much (remember, Aliona is already 17 and chronically injured - that‘s like a recipe for disaster everywhere but especially in TeamTut) but because she‘ll be even worse off if she doesn‘t. She burnt her bridges at Plushenko‘s and she wasn‘t a high priority there to begin with. I wonder where her parents are in all of this. It‘s normal for a 17 year old not to be able to foresee all the complications and conflicts but they really should have known better. The whole situation, frankly, is a mess. Even if Aliona gets accepted by Eteri, those will be some very hard and painful and humiliating next few months. And that‘s best case scenario...
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I also wonder about Alionas parents and where are they in all of this and when she left TT July 31st last year.. For the anything they need to give their daughter support because the comments I've been reading on the Russian boards are not nice about this beautiful girl. There will be more hurt for alyona no matter what happens but it's clear she's leaving PA at this point.

It's true that world circumstances pushed Zhenya back to TT. In an odd way she can plan a future bear competitively for couple more seasons in then after that.

I hope she gets healthy and makes the most of it next season and I hope the same for Alyona wherever she goes. I think CSKA should be pushing hard for her. She would be the number one there and their head coach seems very stable and they know how to teach ultra jumps.

Where does young Sergei go with all of this?

I wish them all well.
 
Scott512 said:
No I didn't see that I hope that kid did not say that.

No need to kick someone when they're down.
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You're disappointed in what a child says when they're asked who inspires them??

That's preposterous.

Of course Sasha with her quads would be more inspiring to a young figure skater who also desperately wants quads - especially when his father values jumps. Also Sasha goes to movies and to outings with Plushy's family so OF COURSE he knows Sasha better.

Let's not criticise the words of a 7 year old child!! That's how kids are. (They're not political they're just honest.)
 
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I really don't want Eteri to take Alena back. Nothing against Alena - she's a beautiful skater but wouldn't splitting Eteri's time among this many girls (especially since she just gained Sadkova and Berestovskaia as well) hurt all of them in the end?
 
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