2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

I really though Trusova was a sure thing for Olympics. Now, I think she has established to the RusFed that she isnt consistent and stumbles on pressure. Going to the Olympics - you need not only skills but also the reputation. That is why this Worlds is crucial for Anna and Trusova. If Trusova doesnt win this, she has nothing to offer other than her hit or miss performances.

the rusfed already signaling this, during 2021 russian nationals she placed third only even with her 3 quads. to be fair, Kamila did 2 quad toes and triple axel

 

[silveruskate]

Yeah, real struggle.

Here:

Watch Shcherbakova end of StSq | Streamable

Watch "Shcherbakova end of StSq" on Streamable.

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Since she's such a poor skater, it'll be no problem at all for you to find me a sequence with better control of the edges than this, right? Waiting.

She's switched legs between movements quite quickly and they weren't the most difficult movements. The end when she stayed on one foot for longer, the movements weren't that difficult... what was it, a few counters, rocker? Also her non-skating leg was doing little kicks multiple times for no reason (probably momentum), a massive kick at the beginning of the video. But she's improved.

 

[Skatesocs]

Yeah, real struggle.

Here:

Watch Shcherbakova end of StSq | Streamable

Watch "Shcherbakova end of StSq" on Streamable.

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Since she's such a poor skater, it'll be no problem at all for you to find me a sequence with better control of the edges than this, right? Waiting.

From Worlds? Haven't watched, can't say. Here's one that's better anyway:

Even from this season, I really doubt Miyahara's become a much lesser pure skater than she was since Japan Nationals.

 

[nussnacker]

the rusfed already signaling this, during 2021 russian nationals she placed third only even with her 3 quads. to be fair, Kamila did 2 quad toes and triple axel

I think you’re confusing things, this was at 1TV cup. But Sasha didn’t land 3 quads cleanly, I think she only had 1 clean quad at that competition, I don’t remember.
If she delivers 3 clean quads in FS, which should be technically easy for her, I can’t see how Rusfed will leave her off the team. For that to happen, Aliona will need 3*3A back, but we don’t know whether this will happen, and Sasha’s landing her quads now, not in a hypothetical scenario.

 

[chasingneverland]

the rusfed already signaling this, during 2021 russian nationals she placed third only even with her 3 quads. to be fair, Kamila did 2 quad toes and triple axel

At Russian Nationals Sasha (and Anna and Kamila) "only" did 2 quads. Sasha wasn't 3rd with 3. She was 3rd with 2. And no one did a clean 3A. Kamila had a 3A in the SP but it wasn't clean and she didn't do it in the FS.

 

[silveruskate]

Aliona got Team Tutberidze a tiktok called Tutber_house, lol!

Aliona!! Eteri's going to kick you out for sure now. The delinquent child strikes again.

 

[Shayuki]

From Worlds? Haven't watched, can't say. Here's one that's better anyway:

Even from this season, I really doubt Miyahara's become a much lesser pure skater than she was since Japan Nationals.

I'm talking about worlds. We are discussing worlds PCS. But out of curiosity. Which section? Minutes, seconds.

 

[Shayuki]

She's switched legs between movements quite quickly and they weren't the most difficult movements. The end when she stayed on one foot for longer, the movements weren't that difficult... what was it, a few counters, rocker? Also her non-skating leg was doing little kicks multiple times for no reason (probably momentum), a massive kick at the beginning of the video. But she's improved.

Yeah holding the edge is so easy that it'll be very easy to find me a clip where it's done better. Correct? Or not correct?

Not the most difficult movements? They were bracket turn, choctaw, counter turn, counter turn, bracket turn. What do you think is difficult? Please tell me.

 

[Shayuki]

Very simple. Take any Anna performance, watch her do a crossover. ( I really hate her crossovers)

Here are Shcherbakova's terrible crossovers where she is moving her entire body around:

Watch Shcherbakova beginning crossovers | Streamable

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Considering they're so bad, would you be so kind as to show me who performed the crossovers the way you believe they should be performed? At worlds. Ladies.

 

[nussnacker]

Aliona!! Eteri's going to kick you out for sure now. The delinquent child strikes again.

Eteri watching their Tiktoks from Stockholm like

but you should seriously have a look, it’s quite funny. Especially if someone provides translations for the audio used. “Imma backpack, imma backpack” (from Dora the Explorer) in Maiia-Moris tiktok. Also “Two idiots are a power” with Daria.

 

[Skatesocs]

But out of curiosity. Which section? Minutes, seconds.

Look at the way she pulls out of her 3Lo starting at 2:08 till 2:21. She's able to maintain flow while hitting difficult body positions, and shows the ability to decelerate and accelerate in a way that reflects the music. Or how she's in general able to maintain edge quality and never break flow and edge while hitting difficult body positions in general (like at 2:24). Or how she's able to do a correct rocker turn while making sure her body position switches sharply into a body position that throws her core off center at 2:29. Or how easily she's able to use her knees and ankles, and transfers from one foot to another without breaking glide and flow. Or how she's easily able to vary the kind of turns she's producing through the step sequence - sharp and quick in the first half, bold and sweeping in the second half. In general a lot of her turns are crystal clear, too, although not always when she's trying to keep rhythm in the first half - and that's another point in favour for her, since you never see skaters being able to use their knees with rhythm.

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

Not so fast. Today was just a fluke -- overrotating a triple because intensive quad training over the past days, after recovering from injury. Trusova now has correct jumping technique (which is extremely important), and has shown massive improvements in skating skills and artistry. Barring circumstances such as illness/injury, she and Liza T. have the highest probability of making the Olympic team, as their correct technique makes them resilient to fluctuations in body mass and center of gravity.

Shcherbaova has been showing visible signs that the faulty technique relying on upper-body induced torque is starting to fail her, in the same way it failed Zagitova, Medvedeva, and Lipnitskaya in the past. Valieva also has major flaws in her technique, most visible in her weird axis position in the air, the wonky landings, and the wobbles in attaching a second jump to a combination. The Russian Cup Final amply exposed those flaws. As for the other girls, only Khromyk has quads, and they are not fully rotated or stable at all.

So the Olympic team will most probably be Sasha T., Liza T., and whichever third girl manages to be in top form next season.

koolaking ? lol

 

[Shayuki]

Look at the way she pulls out of her 3Lo starting at 2:08 till 2:21. She's able to maintain flow while hitting difficult body positions, and shows the ability to decelerate and accelerate in a way that reflects the music. Or how she's in general able to maintain edge quality and never break flow and edge while hitting difficult body positions in general (like at 2:24). Or how she's able to do a correct rocker turn while making sure her body position switches sharply into a body position that throws her core off center at 2:29. Or how easily she's able to use her knees and ankles, and transfers from one foot to another without breaking glide and flow. Or how she's easily able to vary the kind of turns she's producing through the step sequence - sharp and quick in the first half, bold and sweeping in the second half. In general a lot of her turns are crystal clear, too, although not always when she's trying to keep rhythm in the first half - and that's another point in favour for her, since you never see skaters being able to use their knees with rhythm.

You think the botched counter exit off the loop showed superior edge control? Don't even know what to say about that one. Maybe if she had performed an actual counter it'd be worth something, but I see counter exits all the time in novices, it's not that insane. Actually a 5-year-old girl did a counter exit just a month ago, I saw on instagram.

Here in the step sequence, it's the same thing. Miyahara constantly needs to accelerate with the toe pick since she keeps losing momentum. And she also constantly needs to put the free foot down, probably due to losing balance. Was she holding an outside edge for a lengthy period of time a single time? She did not show similar control of the entire body and effortlessness at any point, constantly looking rushed. Even her combinations she enters at max speed and gets them out of the way immediately. There's nothing of the sort. My point was "edge control" wasn't it? The pure effortlessness, the "floating above the air" feeling you get with Shcherbakova. The flowing effect.

When it comes to edge control, nothing in that entire step sequence was on the level of the very first bracket turn Shcherbakova did, with the extended outside edge. You see after Miyahara performs a turn she very quickly places the free foot down. Shcherbakova after the Choctaw for example extended the outside edge for a very long time and even accelerated during it.

Thanks for actually replying though, interesting how when I get mocked relentlessly(for agreeing with the judges) and want to hear some substance to justify that, people run away.

 

[readernick]

Here are Shcherbakova's terrible crossovers where she is moving her entire body around:

Watch Shcherbakova beginning crossovers | Streamable

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Considering they're so bad, would you be so kind as to show me who performed the crossovers the way you believe they should be performed? At worlds. Ladies.

Kaori Sakamoto has good crossovers. One push and she flies. Satoko is the queen of edges ( you notice how much ice dancers love her) but apparently you don't agree since you already rejected the detailed breakdown provided by another poster.

 

[Tally]

I’ve been lurking here for awhile, but rarely post. But I want to get some input from you experts here. If all three ladies skate a perfectly executed, clean SP and FS, what order would the podium be? (Hypothetical competition, not Worlds). Considering both base value and PCS, and assuming Sasha Trusova does a clean 5 quad FS. Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova, and Anna Scherbakova.

 

[Shayuki]

Kaori Sakamoto has good crossovers. One push and she flies. Satoko is the queen of edges ( you notice how much ice dancers love her) but apparently you don't agree since you already rejected the detailed breakdown provided by another poster.

Well, which sequence do you think shows superior edge control? Youtube link, minutes, seconds please. And then analyze what makes said edge control superior. Same for the crossovers. Thank you.

And do you know what I could say? "Judges scored Anna's skating skills higher but apparently you don't agree". That's not how you argue, though. It's appeal to authority.

If you yourself have no opinions of your own(appeal to authority) and have no ability to analyze skating skills, then how about you don't mock me for my opinions if you don't have the courage to present your own?

 

[Skatesocs]

You think the botched counter exit off the loop showed superior edge control? Don't even know what to say about that one. Maybe if she had performed an actual counter it'd be worth something, but I see counter exits all the time in novices, it's not that insane. Actually a 5-year-old girl did a counter exit just a month ago, I saw on instagram.

That's very nice for you. I didn't however say "she showed superior edge control" from the exit of the 3Loop. If you'd read my response, it would be clear I was talking about her ability to accelerate and decelerate and show difficult positions without breaking flow for that portion.

I genuinely doubt you'd seen a 5 year old girl being able to do a proper counter exit from a jump - and mind you I mean "uses knees and ankles and doesn't just throw her body around" when I say "proper".

Miyahara constantly needs to accelerate with the toe pick since she keeps losing momentum... She did not show similar control of the entire body and effortlessness at any point, constantly looking rushed.

My read is one hundred percent different from yours. I did however know you'd say this, though I don't see why you'd ignore all that I'd specifically written to show her "superior body control".

My point was "edge control" wasn't it?

Yeah. And? Can YOU point out a single turn from Shcherbakova where she doesn't throw her body around to produce it? Literally every turn she's swinging her free leg around. Or do you think "edge control" has no real technique behind it, it can be done whichever way? Her knees are stiff and lack rhythm entirely. If she did even a single turn like Miyahara she'd fall on her face.

When it comes to edge control, nothing in that entire step sequence was on the level of the very first bracket turn Shcherbakova did, with the extended outside edge.

That rocker turn I pointed out is far and away more difficult than most of what Shcherbakova did in that link you gave me. Don't believe me? Go ahead and try and do it. Even try to do a dance step you know while throwing your core off center.

You see after Miyahara performs a turn she very quickly places the free foot down. Shcherbakova after the Choctaw for example extended the outside edge for a very long time and even accelerated during it.

LMAO. You realize that sharp changes in direction and edge are very hard to produce? People doing "Deep Edges" with little to no rhythm isn't particularly a way to show control, though I can see how you'd think that.

 

[readernick]

Well, which sequence do you think shows superior edge control? Youtube link, minutes, seconds please. And then analyze what makes said edge control superior. Thank you.

If you yourself have no opinions of your own(appeal to authority) and have no ability to analyze skating skills, then how about you don't mock me for my opinions if you don't have the courage to present your own?

I'm watching the pairs which is far more interesting than this argument. Despite people providing evidence you never change your mind. Why would I bother ? I know who has good skating skills and Anna isn't a skater with that particular skill. Her edges have improved but they are nowhere near the best. You wouldn't be mocked if you were less biased. But, you are and it really isn't worth my time to do what you ask. Please have a good night. It's late.

 

[Shayuki]

I genuinely doubt you'd seen a 5 year old girl being able to do a proper counter exit from a jump - and mind you I mean "uses knees and ankles and doesn't just throw her body around" when I say "proper".

2:06 this video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CKYU2_NKZGj/

Same exit, isn't it? Actually, the spiral might be a more challenging one.

 

[Fluture]

With fairly awarded PCS and GOE, and everyone doing their max BV layout cleanly, Trusova wins by a huge margin, Valieva a distant second, Shcherbakova in 3rd within short distance of Valieva.

That‘s the problem, though, Sasha rarely if ever goes clean.