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Well, I absolutely loved Mr. Weir's program - it is gorgeous, I really hope that he can keep this up. Is he training quads? His jumps are so amazing, it always looks like there is space and time for another rotation... He got positive GOE on all of his jumps except the last one and his triple Axels are incredible, so controlled, so graceful and secure. It is just wonderful to see him skate like that, he always had style and grace - but having the jumps (especially such excellent ones) just makes it even more amazing.
I realize all that very well, since I'm not a member of the Johnny's Witnesses sect. I'm sure he knows it too. But the guy's won today, and his fans are happy for him. Johnny's got all the reasons to celebrate/ go nuts
Johnny said in an interview that he has both quad toe and quad salchow, but he wasn't ready to put them in his programs for CoC. He said he might add a quad for CoR and/or Nationals, if he felt ready.
People at practices said he was landing gorgeous quads and quad combos.
I am sure he knows he needs the quad for Worlds.
People at practices said he was landing gorgeous quads and quad combos.
I am sure he knows he needs the quad for Worlds.
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Really? I thought the costume was pretty subdued, by Johnny standards.
I don't read Chinese at all but through the translator I found this
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-10/23483284646.shtml
What I understood, it's about the press conference. Johnny said that his mom was there and they told him that she cried when he saw him winining, he was very happy she could make it and see him win since they have waited for this for a long time.
About the quad he said that he does not think the quad is everything, he understand that this is an athletic sport but he believes that in figure skating there are others interesting things to do. Johnny said that Galina told him to skate a perfect program in order to have a good grade of difficutly. He said that he may do a quad but he will take the time to do it, once he feels confident during the program
When they asked Johnny what are his goals for the season he said that he has to go to CoR and to the GPF and then win his American championship; as to which Evan said that his main goal is to win Nationals.
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-10/23483284646.shtml
What I understood, it's about the press conference. Johnny said that his mom was there and they told him that she cried when he saw him winining, he was very happy she could make it and see him win since they have waited for this for a long time.
About the quad he said that he does not think the quad is everything, he understand that this is an athletic sport but he believes that in figure skating there are others interesting things to do. Johnny said that Galina told him to skate a perfect program in order to have a good grade of difficutly. He said that he may do a quad but he will take the time to do it, once he feels confident during the program
When they asked Johnny what are his goals for the season he said that he has to go to CoR and to the GPF and then win his American championship; as to which Evan said that his main goal is to win Nationals.
Third Chinese article I'm translating this weekend -- really giving my Chinese a good work-out. 
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-10/23483284646.shtml
The 2007 GP CoC Championship has concluded in Harbin with the last event -- men's freeskate. American Johnny Weir won this event with a score of 151.38, based on which he passed Evan Lysacek in the total score, and won the gold medal at CoC; Lysacek and Lambiel placed 2nd & 3rd respectively.
After winning the competition, Weir's mother shed emotional tears. "I heard that my mother cried, I'm really happy that she can come to China and watch me win -- since the last time I won, we have waited a very long time." Indeed, Weir's general condition has not been great in the last two years, not only did he perform badly at the Winter Olympics, but he also let slip the U.S. national title to Lysacek. That he can overcome Lysacek to win this event, to him it is a victorious "battle of revenge."
Weir did not try the quad in either the SP or LP this time. This is very rare among elite male skaters. But Weir said, he doesn't need the quad for now, "To me, the quad is not everything in this sport. Of course I understand this is an athletic sport, but I also believe that figure skating has many other interesting and worthwhile aspects." He said, "My coach also told me, it's more important to skate clean than to struggle to raise technical difficulty. I can do the quad, but I will only include it in the programs when I feel confident about it."
Perhaps these words from Weir were a stab in the heart for the nhearby Lysacek, since the latter fell on the quad today, which affected the remainder of the program. "I am not very happy with my performance, after falling on the quad, I had difficulty finding fresh feeling/energy. Luckily in the second half I came back around, and managed to skate pretty well." But Lysacek still declared, that he will continue to make an effort with the quad, indeed to aim for two quads in one program (!), in order to pose a real threat to the reigning world champion Joubert.
During the post-competition press conference, Weir and Lysacek seemed to show hints of mutual aggression (literally: with the strong smell of battle explosives in the air). When asked about this season's goals, Weir said without hesitation, "First I go to Cup of Russia, then the GPF, and finally win back my U.S. National title." But Lysacek nearby also declared without an attempt at politeness, "My first goal is also to win the national championship." From appearances, it seems both are trying their utmost to challenge the other.
As for the former world champion Lambiel, his performance level today was quite low, to the point that he used the phrase of "having lost the ability to control his own body" to describe his own condition afterwards. Speaking of the 3A that he has abandoned for now, a perennial weak point of his, he said that he plans to slowly bring it back in training, with the hope of reinstating it prior to the CoR competition.
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-10/23483284646.shtml
The 2007 GP CoC Championship has concluded in Harbin with the last event -- men's freeskate. American Johnny Weir won this event with a score of 151.38, based on which he passed Evan Lysacek in the total score, and won the gold medal at CoC; Lysacek and Lambiel placed 2nd & 3rd respectively.
After winning the competition, Weir's mother shed emotional tears. "I heard that my mother cried, I'm really happy that she can come to China and watch me win -- since the last time I won, we have waited a very long time." Indeed, Weir's general condition has not been great in the last two years, not only did he perform badly at the Winter Olympics, but he also let slip the U.S. national title to Lysacek. That he can overcome Lysacek to win this event, to him it is a victorious "battle of revenge."
Weir did not try the quad in either the SP or LP this time. This is very rare among elite male skaters. But Weir said, he doesn't need the quad for now, "To me, the quad is not everything in this sport. Of course I understand this is an athletic sport, but I also believe that figure skating has many other interesting and worthwhile aspects." He said, "My coach also told me, it's more important to skate clean than to struggle to raise technical difficulty. I can do the quad, but I will only include it in the programs when I feel confident about it."
Perhaps these words from Weir were a stab in the heart for the nhearby Lysacek, since the latter fell on the quad today, which affected the remainder of the program. "I am not very happy with my performance, after falling on the quad, I had difficulty finding fresh feeling/energy. Luckily in the second half I came back around, and managed to skate pretty well." But Lysacek still declared, that he will continue to make an effort with the quad, indeed to aim for two quads in one program (!), in order to pose a real threat to the reigning world champion Joubert.
During the post-competition press conference, Weir and Lysacek seemed to show hints of mutual aggression (literally: with the strong smell of battle explosives in the air). When asked about this season's goals, Weir said without hesitation, "First I go to Cup of Russia, then the GPF, and finally win back my U.S. National title." But Lysacek nearby also declared without an attempt at politeness, "My first goal is also to win the national championship." From appearances, it seems both are trying their utmost to challenge the other.
As for the former world champion Lambiel, his performance level today was quite low, to the point that he used the phrase of "having lost the ability to control his own body" to describe his own condition afterwards. Speaking of the 3A that he has abandoned for now, a perennial weak point of his, he said that he plans to slowly bring it back in training, with the hope of reinstating it prior to the CoR competition.
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Oh, I hate to hear him say that he'll put the quad in "if he feels ready". He will never feel ready. Just put it in, no matter he feels ready or not. That is my wish. He has proved to everyone and to himself that he can win. That is great!
I liked Johnny's program very much! I am thrilled to see him skate like this. He seems to be fighting now.
I do have to say the costume was beyond awful. I kept wondering if Sasha had loaned him her old Swan Lake outfit.
I agree with you. I don't like his costume at all. It's like a ladie's costume, looked ugly on him. And his hair style is awful, too.
I finally saw Evan's FS.
From end to the beggining. He looked upset at the K&C, he even left before the final result came out.
I can understand that he probably believed he had beaten Johnny at least on the tech which the protocols showed that he had a base score 6 points higher than Johnny, Johnny beat him due the GOE, I don't think he thought he was going to get an UR in his 3a.
Now, I don't remember a lot of his SA performance (and due USFSA copyrights apparently they're no longer available on Youtube) but I think this one had a lot of changed. IIRC from his SA performance, this one had a LOT of in-between elements but A LOT; but I think emotion-wise he skated at SA way better than at here. Maybe it was because of those many new elements, it was a lot so probably he was thinking about all he had to put in.
Evan has the stronger program but UR the triple axel is going to cost him a lot (I mean he got 2 points for his first axel), and honestly they should have UR his combo as well. Hope he works now on that, since he has almost a month until the GPF (he did make it right?)
From end to the beggining. He looked upset at the K&C, he even left before the final result came out.
I can understand that he probably believed he had beaten Johnny at least on the tech which the protocols showed that he had a base score 6 points higher than Johnny, Johnny beat him due the GOE, I don't think he thought he was going to get an UR in his 3a.
Now, I don't remember a lot of his SA performance (and due USFSA copyrights apparently they're no longer available on Youtube) but I think this one had a lot of changed. IIRC from his SA performance, this one had a LOT of in-between elements but A LOT; but I think emotion-wise he skated at SA way better than at here. Maybe it was because of those many new elements, it was a lot so probably he was thinking about all he had to put in.
Evan has the stronger program but UR the triple axel is going to cost him a lot (I mean he got 2 points for his first axel), and honestly they should have UR his combo as well. Hope he works now on that, since he has almost a month until the GPF (he did make it right?)
Evan probably made GPF, but not clear, because three different gold medalists at three different GP's so far, and Weir wasn't expected to medal. If there are six different gold medalists, he might be out of luck, but I think that's highly unlikely. Daisuki is very unlikely to lose the gold at NHK, unless he has an inexplicable total meltdown!
Oh no no no no no no no no. Daisuke won't do that. To me!
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WHEE! Johnny!!!Love the new FS and it proves what I've been saying since I saw Fallen Angels. Denis is one hell of a choreographer and he has a bright future ahead of him. I hope this encourages more people to work with him.
you already know that I agree with you but I had to shout it from the rooftops here... you say it so much better than I could (and with 'less' bias lol)
Denis rules. 'nuf said.
I´m very happy for Weir´s win, but would have more respect towards that win if he had included a quad into his freeskate. Well, the Nationals will be really interesting, LOL. I´m having the feeling that maybe both Lysacek and Weir are performing their best skating of the season there...
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Thanks to Feraina for the translations!
I say reluctantly because Johnny is one of the few skaters that can be a joy to watch whether he wins anything or not. To me, his two greatest programs so far are his Unchained Melocy exhibition number and Fallen Angels.
I think Evan's strategy of trying the quad in every program come hell or high water, even if he falls on half of them, will eventually pay off for him.
In the mean time, though, it's better to win than to lose. Johnny's victory here should be a great morale builder for the rest of the season. :agree:
I agree, albeit reluctantly. Without a quad, however wonderfully he skates, Johnny's only hope of winning a championship is to back into it when others make mistakes. That is not the mind set of a champion.
I say reluctantly because Johnny is one of the few skaters that can be a joy to watch whether he wins anything or not. To me, his two greatest programs so far are his Unchained Melocy exhibition number and Fallen Angels.
I think Evan's strategy of trying the quad in every program come hell or high water, even if he falls on half of them, will eventually pay off for him.
In the mean time, though, it's better to win than to lose. Johnny's victory here should be a great morale builder for the rest of the season. :agree:
I totally agree with MM - I didn't want to even bring up what Weir should do (imo) because I'm so glad to see two clean performances and him looking strong, focused and happy.
BUT - I do think Evan has the mindset of a champion - put the quad in, all the time, period. That's how you get comfortable with it - I mean Weir has been seen doing lovely quads in practices for more than a year (if not two) - the comfort issue is competition, and the only way to conquer that one is by doing it. BUT - given how down he was last year, I'm glad he could build his confidence with his first comp this season, and truly hope he can build even more with a little more technical difficulty at CoR to continue the momentum.
And, I too love this LP!
BUT - I do think Evan has the mindset of a champion - put the quad in, all the time, period. That's how you get comfortable with it - I mean Weir has been seen doing lovely quads in practices for more than a year (if not two) - the comfort issue is competition, and the only way to conquer that one is by doing it. BUT - given how down he was last year, I'm glad he could build his confidence with his first comp this season, and truly hope he can build even more with a little more technical difficulty at CoR to continue the momentum.
And, I too love this LP!
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This competition had 3 of the top 10 male skaters this season.
The three that entered all got medals. Evan and Johnny were fine.
The best six of the top ten skaters will be in the Finals. That's where comparisons should be analyzed. Otherwise the only medalist here who needs work badly is Lambiel who constantly over rotated his jumps. I doubt he will be in the Finals. Lambiel needs a gold in CoR but that is Weir's adopted home town.
Joe
The three that entered all got medals. Evan and Johnny were fine.
The best six of the top ten skaters will be in the Finals. That's where comparisons should be analyzed. Otherwise the only medalist here who needs work badly is Lambiel who constantly over rotated his jumps. I doubt he will be in the Finals. Lambiel needs a gold in CoR but that is Weir's adopted home town.
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Lambiel might only need Silver at CoR. It just depends on the placements of other people. Right now, I see this scenario as being the most likely for slots in the Grand Prix final:
3 Men win all 6 Gold Medals between them - Takahashi (America + Japan), Joubert (Canada + France), Weir (China + Russia).
2 Men win dual Silver Medals - Verner (France + Japan), Lysacek (America + China).
1 Man wins Silver + Bronze - Lambiel (China + Russia).
Buttle will take Bronze at Russia and won't qualify; Chan will take Bronze at France and won't qualify; Van Der Perren will take 4th or 5th place at France and won't qualify.
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