Jason Brown

[karne]

Okay. So I had another look at the 4S this morning (now that I've slept).

Frankly, I couldn't give a hoot about the UR.

What I saw was speed and flow in. No hesitation. A lovely, upright air position and a confident landing with the free leg unwrapping cleanly and swinging out into the landing position - no uncertain touchdown, plus a decent rideout in spite of the UR.

This was a preview. This was a sneak peek. This was a trailer. We just got given a glance at how the quad will look for him when he rotates it - and it's going to be ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS.

 

[Tavi...]

@Bookseller, I’m sure you’re right that USFS planned to send Nathan and Vincent to WTT, but given Vincent’s injury that seems unlikely now-unless of course they think he’ll recover by then. I think team announcements are due on Tuesday, so we should know soon. If Vincent doesn’t go, I’d love to see Jason get another opportunity to compete the 4S (which by the way was only called under rotated (<) not downgraded (<<)) but I suppose he might want to see his family again, or USFS night decide to send someone like Yaroslav or Tomoki. I guess we’ll see.

 

[kan01]

I think Jason should go to WTT (if he wants to of course). He has earned it!!!

And isn't Vincent injured? Or is it mild enough to make it?

 

[Bookseller]

Okay. So I had another look at the 4S this morning (now that I've slept).

Frankly, I couldn't give a hoot about the UR.

What I saw was speed and flow in. No hesitation. A lovely, upright air position and a confident landing with the free leg unwrapping cleanly and swinging out into the landing position - no uncertain touchdown, plus a decent rideout in spite of the UR.

This was a preview. This was a sneak peek. This was a trailer. We just got given a glance at how the quad will look for him when he rotates it - and it's going to be ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS.

I have no doubt that he will be landing great quads from now on. I noticed the flow in and out and only the landing position showed the UR. It was almost....right....there! Big step forward!

 

[Bookseller]

@Bookseller, I’m sure you’re right that USFS planned to send Nathan and Vincent to WTT, but given Vincent’s injury that seems unlikely now-unless of course they think he’ll recover by then. I think team announcements are due on Tuesday, so we should know soon. If Vincent doesn’t go, I’d love to see Jason get another opportunity to compete the 4S (which by the way was only called under rotated (<) not downgraded (<<)) but I suppose he might want to see his family again, or USFS night decide to send someone like Yaroslav or Tomoki. I guess we’ll see.

It would be great to see him at WTT. But he doesn't seem to be planning for it. One possibility is that it could jeopardize his ability to get back into Canada. I don't know what the rules are. I suspect that if asked by USFS to go, he'll do his best to go. Jason himself said the 4S wasn't downgraded. I based my comment on the fact that they reduced the base value, and I assumed that was from a downgrade. That appears to be an erroneous assumption. The stats did indeed show just an under-rotation. Jason seems to be pretty happy with what he did at World's and he's ready to get back to training. He can work with Ro in Chicago. I actually had not heard the Vince was injured. Having recently moved, I am out of the loop.

 

[Tavi...]

It would be great to see him at WTT. But he doesn't seem to be planning for it. One possibility is that it could jeopardize his ability to get back into Canada. I don't know what the rules are. I suspect that if asked by USFS to go, he'll do his best to go. Jason himself said the 4S wasn't downgraded. I based my comment on the fact that they reduced the base value, and I assumed that was from a downgrade. That appears to be an erroneous assumption. The stats did indeed show just an under-rotation. Jason seems to be pretty happy with what he did at World's and he's ready to get back to training. He can work with Ro in Chicago. I actually had not heard the Vince was injured. Having recently moved, I am out of the loop.

Just curious but did Jason say something about Chicago in an interview? I haven’t been keeping up much.

 

[el henry]

Just curious but did Jason say something about Chicago in an interview? I haven’t been keeping up much.

I think it was his interview with Kaetlyn Osmond. He talked about how he had not seen his family for so long due to border restrictions and his return ticket was Stockholm to Chicago.

 

[Ross74]

I think it was his interview with Kaetlyn Osmond. He talked about how he had not seen his family for so long due to border restrictions and his return ticket was Stockholm to Chicago.

It was also in his interview following the free skate. It was posted on instagram by the teamcricket_figureskating account.

 

[Tavi...]

Thanks, guys!

 

[sworddance21]

And isn't Vincent injured? Or is it mild enough to make it?

What's wrong with Vincent?

 

[el henry]

What's wrong with Vincent?

Vincent's IG Post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CM5bS9un6Tn/

But only here inasmuch as it may affect, or not affect, Jason's potential invite to WTT. He did talk again in one of his interviews about the KnC at WTT where all the skaters joined him. It is an event tailor made for him, and would be cool if he could go.

 

[ice coverage]

I think Jason should go to WTT (if he wants to of course). He has earned it!!!

My two cents are that Jason probably will have the option of going to WTT -- if he wants to.
iirc, ISU World Standings are supposed to be the major criterion as to which skaters go.
Both before and especially after 2021 Worlds, Jason was/is well above Vincent on the World Standings list (which already has been updated).

OTOH, if Jason wants to opt out, I hope that he would have that prerogative.
In 2013, Davis/White and Virtue/Moir both did not go to WTT.
AFAIK, there was never any indication (public indication) that they or their federations were penalized for their absence.
I do not remember whether D/W or V/M ever said anything (for public consumption) about their reason(s) for not going, but it was widely believed that they did not want to delay focusing on their Olympic programs.

Although Jason is in the category of skaters who always have embraced WTT, it seems within the realm of possibility that the combination of the upcoming Olympic season and the pandemic perhaps would make him think twice this year?
He surely wants to be at his best for the Olympic season, and the pandemic already made it impossible to have a normal season of training/competition in 2020-21.
Also because of the pandemic, the fun aspects of experiencing Japan again (unrelated to competition) probably would be limited? And the fun aspects of enjoying the company of other U.S. and non-U.S. skaters probably also would be reduced?

But if he decides to go, I hope that he has a good visit and a good competition. And some good onigiri.

ETA:

Even before an official announcement, I feel certain that the top six federations with points for WTT are (in descending order, based on my rough tally in accordance with WTT rules):

Russia, USA, Japan, Canada, China, Italy.
If one of those six chooses not to participate, France would be next in line.​

I know the WTT prize money is ample, but IMHO, it still seems possible that a skater would opt out, especially this year.​

 

[kan01]

Yesterday I watched a small part of the men's press conference and I remember Nathan being asked about what he'll do after Worlds and he said he's gonna rest and wait for things with the pandemic to get better so that he can see his family. He said he won't do anything crazy and will continue to social distance. He did not mention anything about WTT or skating in general.

According to ISU, the announcement about the countries qualified for WTT will be made immediately after Worlds and if I remember/understood well, they will take into account Worlds 21 as well as other past competitions to determine the six countries who will participate.

Even if Nathan and Vincent, with Jason as an alternate, were chosen before Worlds to go, I don't think they want to confirm it just yet, so that's why I'm assuming Nathan and Jason did not mention anything about it.

Now, Nathan, Jason or Vincent may not want to go, but again, if I understood well there is big money involved in the form of prizes so USFS might want to send the skaters with the most scoring potential (two of Nathan, Vincent, Jason) since USFS gets a percentage of the money. I don't know what the world standings were in 2019, but in 2017 it was Nathan and Jason and in 2019 Nathan and Vincent. So I don't know, time will tell. Also, the skaters might not wanna mention WTT in near future plans because of possible cancellation and uncertainty in general, they must be as confused as we are at times with the crazy season 2020-2021 has been.

Edit: What Jason said: I’m going to be going home to see my family so I’ll be in the U.S. for a while and, depending on restrictions in Canada, the plan is to go back (to Toronto) in May at some point. I can relax a little bit knowing I will be going back to an old program most likely so there is a little bit of sense of calm knowing the program is ready in the wings to work on when I’m in Chicago. (https://www.instagram.com/p/CM7hWN2pJCw/)

So he'll stay in Chicago more than a month and he'll be working on Sinnerman and SL.... Now I'm even more confused, I'll just let time give me the answers about WTT.

 

[Colonel Green]

Jason was the only man outside of the final group to make the CBC's TV highlights broadcast (a distinction typically reserved only for other Canadian skaters who may be attending - or people who rise to the podium, etc. from further back).

 

[Tavi...]

@kan01, I don’t blame you for being confused! As to programs....if he’s going back to SL (a David Wilson program) would he be working on that with Rohene? I suppose it’s not out of the question. But for me it sort of begs the question of whether he’s actually planning to revive a Rohene FS (like the Maxine Rodrigues from 2018 (please, no, bad luck!) or Riverdance (does he still have the stamina?)). I hope he’s going with SL, but I guess time will tell with that as well as WTT.

 

[kan01]

@kan01, I don’t blame you for being confused! As to programs....if he’s going back to SL (a David Wilson program) would he be working on that with Rohene? I suppose it’s not out of the question. But for me it sort of begs the question of whether he’s actually planning to revive a Rohene FS (like the Maxine Rodrigues from 2018 (please, no, bad luck!) or Riverdance (does he still have the stamina?)). I hope he’s going with SL, but I guess time will tell with that as well as WTT.

I'm guessing he'll be working on the short with Rohene and on the long he will have assistance from Tracy via videocall or something. I doubt he'll go back to a pre-Orser program.


Just checked the world standings and realized Jason climbed from 6th to 4th. Good for him!

 

[sworddance21]

I haven't gone back through the last several pages of this thread - so apologies if this has been covered already - but I'd love to see Jason use Sinnerman and Schindler's List next year.

On another note- anyone think it is within the realm of possibility that Jason actually can get 2 quads (a T and an S) in his long? Apparently, he does land both fairly regularly in practice, so if his confidence is building is it impossible?) With 2 clean quads and his GOE being the equivalent of a third - seems to me he would be a podium threat for sure.

 

[kan01]

On another note- anyone think it is within the realm of possibility that Jason actually can get 2 quads (a T and an S) in his long?

I think it's possible and I think he could add two different quads once he gets one cleanly landed at least once or multiple times in competition. I just don't know if it will happen sooner than 2022-2023, so after Olympic season. If the concussion and then pandemic wouldn't have kept him from attempting more quads, I think he would've had two by the start of next season. But that's just me.

 

[el henry]

Jason was the only man outside of the final group to make the CBC's TV highlights broadcast (a distinction typically reserved only for other Canadian skaters who may be attending - or people who rise to the podium, etc. from further back).

Thanks for letting us know @Colonel Green.

Between that and the praise from Meagan D., Kaetlyn O., Dylan M. and Asher Hill, Jason has quite the Canadian fan club. Canadians know good skating

 

[ice coverage]

So he'll stay in Chicago more than a month and he'll be working on Sinnerman and SL.... Now I'm even more confused, I'll just let time give me the answers about WTT.

IIRC, Madi Hubbell said in an Insta Live before Stockholm that whenever H/D re-enter Canada, they will be driving in from the U.S. -- as opposed to flying into Montreal from somewhere.
If I understood her correctly (I am paraphrasing): A big disadvantage of flying into Canada would be that then they would be required first to go directly to an officially-designated site (officially-designated hotel, I guess?) for the first several days (I do not remember how many?) of quarantining -- before being released to complete the remaining days of quarantine at home.
Whereas if they drive into Canada, the advantage is that they are allowed to drive home immediately and spend the entire quarantine at home, at least.

Soooo ... all in the realm of speculation, but IMO, one possibility would be that maybe(???) Jason will spend some time in Chicago before WTT; then fly to WTT; then fly back to Chicago from Japan.
Flying back initially to Chicago from Japan would have two incentives: more family time + upon eventual return to Canada, being allowed to quarantine entirely at home.

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BTW: If/if/if(??) Nathan and/or Jason were to opt out of WTT ... Camden is the next highest U.S. man on the World Standings list, then Tomoki, then Vincent. Camden is well ahead of the other two; Tomoki is only a few points ahead of Vincent.
I like Vincent, and am not picking on him. One thing is that he missed out on earning World Standings points because he did not compete in GPs. Plus before anyone could have foreseen that 2020 Worlds would have to be cancelled, Vincent had opted out of 2020 Four Continents, where his friends Camden and Tomoki did compete.