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I just realized that this USFS article about US Figure skating men
From Button to Chen, American men push the limits

has a quote from Jason: :)

".....Jason Brown, who has become a program components virtuoso.

'I fell in love with skating because of the performance aspect of the sport,' Brown said. 'I remember seeing Matt (Savoie), Evan (Lysacek) and Johnny (Weir) in 2006, and they are three very different athletes. They helped me realize that there are different paths to success and that I could make my own way in the sport.
' "

Could it be that USFS actually does appreciate Jason:eek:
They appreciate him. He's been very consistent and he has a lot of respect in the International Skating World. We'll ignore Russia in that comment. Jason definitely pushed the PC envelope. And still does!
 
I just realized that this USFS article about US Figure skating men
From Button to Chen, American men push the limits

has a quote from Jason: :)

".....Jason Brown, who has become a program components virtuoso.

'I fell in love with skating because of the performance aspect of the sport,' Brown said. 'I remember seeing Matt (Savoie), Evan (Lysacek) and Johnny (Weir) in 2006, and they are three very different athletes. They helped me realize that there are different paths to success and that I could make my own way in the sport.
' "

Could it be that USFS actually does appreciate Jason:eek:
Well at least the author does. 😊 But for my money, you left the highest praise out:

And if there were a perfect complement to Chen’s skill in landing quadruple jumps, it might be Jason Brown, who has become a program components virtuoso.”

ETA it’s kind of interesting that in telling the history of men’s skating, the author says that men were originally known as the artists and women as athletes. And then came Scott, Brian, et al. And then he ends with Jason, implying without saying outright that with Jason men’s skating in some sense goes back to its roots.
 
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Well at least the author does. 😊 But for my money, you left the highest praise out:

And if there were a perfect complement to Chen’s skill in landing quadruple jumps, it might be Jason Brown, who has become a program components virtuoso.”

ETA it’s kind of interesting that in telling the history of men’s skating, the author says that men were originally known as the artists and women as athletes. And then came Scott, Brian, et al. And then he ends with Jason, implying without saying outright that with Jason men’s skating in some sense goes back to its roots.
I saw that and it puzzled me. I wonder how far back that goes?
 
Okay, to stray a little bit from the article (bc I can’t answer book’s question) I thought I’d weigh in on the Jason SP exercise. Not that I have anything profound to say, but I did, after all, post them. With mistakes in the links and without Juke, all of which has now been corrected. 😂

Anyway. I had two overarching thoughts. First, after all these years, I still love the choreography for Prince-I kinda feel like it’s second only to Sinnerman as a program-but he’s much more mature now and so much a better skater that watching Prince doesn’t have the same impact on me that it used to. Second, umm, I have gained a new appreciation for Juke as a work of choreography 😱, for all the reasons el Henry has touted over the years. But I still don’t like it much as a vehicle for Jason bc he just wasn’t mature enough for it. IMO. (On the other hand, Rohene could do it justice.)

Overall, one of the most striking things about watching these programs in close succession was seeing how his presence has matured and his presentation has sharpened over the years.

In Prince, there are hints of sensuality in how he uses his body, but if you watch his face, he’s still just a goofy kid having a lot of fun out there. His movements are fluid but not very precise. I actually think it would be fun to see how he’d handle this program now.

I’ve already mentioned Juke. But I’ll add that I kind of see Juke, Gatsby, and Hamilton as a group, in that for me none of them were totally successful because he just wasn’t mature enough for them - he kind of fell back on cuteness a little too much. I also kind of see all of them - and Gatsby in particular- as precursors to Sinnerman. All three attempt some more or less complex dance-like choreography, but he couldn’t really handle the Gatsby choreography back then. The absence of goofy smiles in Sinnerman and how well he handles the complex movements really shows how far he’s come.

I think Sinnerman also has its roots in Writing’s on the Wall and the other two Toronto SPs. In Writing (and Piano), which I think he worked on with Frank, he was starting to show the kind of maturity and precise movements that Tracy and Brian have honed in him these past few years. I love all three of the Toronto SPs, but Sinnerman kind of shows evidence of all those lock down dance sessions, and it’s such a pleasure to see what he’s done with it already. That said, scary though it may be to us as fans, I can see why he wants to add the 4S. The judges seem to take what he does including that gorgeous 3F just a tiny bit for granted. He needs to take that next step.

I have to say when I watch his beautiful performances at Worlds 2017, which seemed to promise so much, it kind of shocks me how quickly and how far he fell. I think he’s in a much better place now than he was back then, but I will probably still be keeping my fingers crossed this season that he stays happy and is able to reach his goals.

Well, I could probably blather on some more but I think I will stop. 😂 I really have nothing to say about Appassionata other than “it’s boring.” 😈
 
Okay, to stray a little bit from the article (bc I can’t answer book’s question) I thought I’d weigh in on the Jason SP exercise. Not that I have anything profound to say, but I did, after all, post them. With mistakes in the links and without Juke, all of which has now been corrected. 😂

Anyway. I had two overarching thoughts. First, after all these years, I still love the choreography for Prince-I kinda feel like it’s second only to Sinnerman as a program-but he’s much more mature now and so much a better skater that watching Prince doesn’t have the same impact on me that it used to. Second, umm, I have gained a new appreciation for Juke as a work of choreography 😱, for all the reasons el Henry has touted over the years. But I still don’t like it much as a vehicle for Jason bc he just wasn’t mature enough for it. IMO. (On the other hand, Rohene could do it justice.)

Overall, one of the most striking things about watching these programs in close succession was seeing how his presence has matured and his presentation has sharpened over the years.

In Prince, there are hints of sensuality in how he uses his body, but if you watch his face, he’s still just a goofy kid having a lot of fun out there. His movements are fluid but not very precise. I actually think it would be fun to see how he’d handle this program now.

I’ve already mentioned Juke. But I’ll add that I kind of see Juke, Gatsby, and Hamilton as a group, in that for me none of them were totally successful because he just wasn’t mature enough for them - he kind of fell back on cuteness a little too much. I also kind of see all of them - and Gatsby in particular- as precursors to Sinnerman. All three attempt some more or less complex dance-like choreography, but he couldn’t really handle the Gatsby choreography back then. The absence of goofy smiles in Sinnerman and how well he handles the complex movements really shows how far he’s come.

I think Sinnerman also has its roots in Writing’s on the Wall and the other two Toronto SPs. In Writing (and Piano), which I think he worked on with Frank, he was starting to show the kind of maturity and precise movements that Tracy and Brian have honed in him these past few years. I love all three of the Toronto SPs, but Sinnerman kind of shows evidence of all those lock down dance sessions, and it’s such a pleasure to see what he’s done with it already. That said, scary though it may be to us as fans, I can see why he wants to add the 4S. The judges seem to take what he does including that gorgeous 3F just a tiny bit for granted. He needs to take that next step.

I have to say when I watch his beautiful performances at Worlds 2017, which seemed to promise so much, it kind of shocks me how quickly and how far he fell. I think he’s in a much better place now than he was back then, but I will probably still be keeping my fingers crossed this season that he stays happy and is able to reach his goals.

Well, I could probably blather on some more but I think I will stop. 😂 I really have nothing to say about Appassionata other than “it’s boring.” 😈
Jason was a goofy kid until 2018. We'll probably never know what was going on with him in 2017, but the clue is that he knew in 2017 that he needed to move on and didn't. He had reasons for not changing coaches, but in the end those reasons didn't hold up. My guess is that as long as he was working with Frank in the summer, he was making progress, but Frank was retiring and Jason lost his way. And he's alluded to being pulled in different directions. Since he continued to work with Ro after the break, the root of whatever happened in 2017 was clearly with his main coaching situation, and his emotional attachment was making it very difficult. BUT, the epic failure of his 2018 Nats FS, and the subsequent heartache, decision-making and the break with his coach caused him to grow up fast. Jason was open and ready for change by then and Tracy and Brian went for it with him. Hamilton was skating by young Jason. Love is a Bi**h was skated by a maturing young man and in Sinnerman we see Jason the mature skater. All the good parts of goofy kid Jason are still there, but the goofy kid has grown up. And he needed to! And his skating skills have become epic.

No matter that most of the other men fall on their quads or are hit and miss. Jason needs to have a consistent quad that is fully rotated to stay in the game for the Olympic season. If he can show that confidence and skill to the judges, he will be rewarded. And his beautiful programs won't suffer. They'll become benchmarks!
 
What a wonderful detailed analysis @Tavi... and I forgive you for omitting Juke:biggrin: Although that lukewarm reception by the Canadian commentators. Yes, we all love Han Yan's 3A, but sheesh. The way they said "Well, the judges love him". Very enlightening.;)

It is true, that as detailed and intricate as I think the choreo of Juke is, the fact that Jason, who is a young 20 and smiling like Jason, skates it misleads the viewer. As you said, if Rohene was skating the same darn program, with the same choreo and even the same wink and smiles and suspender-ology, I don't think folks would have the same criticism. They certainly wouldn't be comparing Rohene's movements to some incredibly non-diverse 90s sitcom. So I think Jason suffered in presenting Juke from being young Jason.

And Appasionata was boring. :sleep:
 
What a wonderful detailed analysis @Tavi... and I forgive you for omitting Juke:biggrin: Although that lukewarm reception by the Canadian commentators. Yes, we all love Han Yan's 3A, but sheesh. The way they said "Well, the judges love him". Very enlightening.;)

It is true, that as detailed and intricate as I think the choreo of Juke is, the fact that Jason, who is a young 20 and smiling like Jason, skates it misleads the viewer. As you said, if Rohene was skating the same darn program, with the same choreo and even the same wink and smiles and suspender-ology, I don't think folks would have the same criticism. They certainly wouldn't be comparing Rohene's movements to some incredibly non-diverse 90s sitcom. So I think Jason suffered in presenting Juke from being young Jason.

And Appasionata was boring. :sleep:
I was going to use the Nats one with, I think, Michael Weiss commentary (which is super positive), but I thought people might appreciate hearing Tracy. Kind of funny that even she was lukewarm. 😂
 
So here for those interested in looking at how these programs have progressed over time, are all the SPs from 2013/14 on:

2013/14 Prince: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178kmb

2015 Love is Blindness: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCvYNGUnuVU

2016 Appassionata: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnme3TO_-oU

2017 Writings on Wall: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSEKVUV8bBI

2018 Hamilton: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_FesDvAI0

2019 Love is a B*: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlAd8Wa8NE

2020 Can’t go on without you: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=naEncCHKeLc

2021 Sinnerman: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QZTcsBw084U

Thoughts?

ETA 5/18: How could I have forgotten Juke? 😂 Here’s his 2015 Worlds SP with commentary by, if I’m not mistaken, Kurt B, Carol L, and Tracy. Not quite as good as Nats, and broadcast team not really bowled over, but oh well. He won them over in the future. 😉 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wypbs4eOMTk

And another edit: corrected the link for Sinnerman. Oops. 😂
I was just watching one of my favorite programs of Jason‘s “Tristan” 2015 Nationals FS. He was mature here at 20 and it was the same year and competition as Juke. His arms and hands were beautiful in this program and his movements precise. And he became the National champion.
 
I was just watching one of my favorite programs of Jason‘s “Tristan” 2015 Nationals FS. He was mature here at 20 and it was the same year and competition as Juke. His arms and hands were beautiful in this program and his movements precise. And he became the National champion.
Yes of course he had some beautiful moments early on but it seems to me that in Tristan he was able to achieve them by losing himself, taking on a character, and telling a story, helped by music that quite literally set the mood. Juke is not an obviously character-driven program, and to me he never seemed fully comfortable with it or with the choreography.
 
Yes of course he had some beautiful moments early on but it seems to me that in Tristan he was able to achieve them by losing himself, taking on a character, and telling a story, helped by music that quite literally set the mood. Juke is not an obviously character-driven program, and to me he never seemed fully comfortable with it or with the choreography.
I feel he was comfortable in Juke. I love his costume too. Everyone has a different opinion. It was very entertaining!
 
Jason answers reader questions on CorrespondIt:


This was actually pretty cute, and had some new information (they don't expect assignments until the end of June, did I hear that right?):eek:

I will say if I hear the story about his sister and the skating party one more time.... But not everyone can know the Jason oeuvre like we do ;)

And they obviously told Jason to mention the questioners by screen name, but that really wasn't fair. And when mentioning one of his more dedicated fans on social media, it is clear that Jason's Italian is not as good as his Japanese (considering my Japanese is non-existent, that's not too bad. And the Italian word for July is a mouthful for an Anglophone. :) )
 
This was actually pretty cute, and had some new information (they don't expect assignments until the end of June, did I hear that right?):eek:

I will say if I hear the story about his sister and the skating party one more time.... But not everyone can know the Jason oeuvre like we do ;)

And they obviously told Jason to mention the questioners by screen name, but that really wasn't fair. And when mentioning one of his more dedicated fans on social media, it is clear that Jason's Italian is not as good as his Japanese (considering my Japanese is non-existent, that's not too bad. And the Italian word for July is a mouthful for an Anglophone. :) )
Yes, the GP assignments will be announced in late June. I do find it mildly amusing that Jason gets asked the same questions over and over again. Hence the birthday party story. I wished that there was a video of Adam voicing the animated moose head. I can imagine that it was hilarious. And kudos to the questioner. That is a question I haven't heard over and over again. Love hearing Jason answer questions, even if I've heard the answers before. I want to know when he's heading back up to Canada. As far as I know, he's still in the US?
 
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