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2021-22 Russian Pairs' Figure Skating

FelineFairy

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Sep 13, 2020
She is still missing Moser in her collection. I know recently Moskvina had much better results, but Moser had better recent results at the Olympics - in 2014 she had V/T 1st and S/K 2nd. In 2018 she had T/M 4th and Z/E 7th. The last time Moskvina had a pair at the olympics was in 2010 - Kavaguti/Smirnov placed 4th. Since then she had no one.
Moskvina has enough Olympic champions, silver medalists and World champions to make the comparison with Moser rather strange. I don't know if the period between the preparation for Sochi and (consequently) the first years after were due to Moskvina having no real talent at that time, or more to the fact that Kavaguti/Smirnov turned out to be the most unlucky and unreliable pair in history with all kinds of severe injuries immediately after each local triumph (Europeans, GP stages), which obviously made the federation lose trust and turn to a new project. IMHO the success of Volosozhar/Trankov was 80% the choice of Volosozhar for Trankov, who was the one to contact her because he had been sick and tired of his results with a much weaker partner Mukhortova who had the support of their coach Vasilyev; and 20% all national resources collected, Moser included. BTW Moskvina had made a mistake, accepting Kavaguti over Savchenko. Savchenko and Volosozhar were by far the strongest ladies in pairs at that time. The Olympic team of 2018 was the result of 2014 triumph, Moser team seemed to be unbeatable and reliable for the future, which turned out to be a mistake.
 

hanca

Record Breaker
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Sep 23, 2008
Moskvina has enough Olympic champions, silver medalists and World champions to make the comparison with Moser rather strange. I don't know if the period between the preparation for Sochi and (consequently) the first years after were due to Moskvina having no real talent at that time, or more to the fact that Kavaguti/Smirnov turned out to be the most unlucky and unreliable pair in history with all kinds of severe injuries immediately after each local triumph (Europeans, GP stages), which obviously made the federation lose trust and turn to a new project. IMHO the success of Volosozhar/Trankov was 80% the choice of Volosozhar for Trankov, who was the one to contact her because he had been sick and tired of his results with a much weaker partner Mukhortova who had the support of their coach Vasilyev; and 20% all national resources collected, Moser included. BTW Moskvina had made a mistake, accepting Kavaguti over Savchenko. Savchenko and Volosozhar were by far the strongest ladies in pairs at that time. The Olympic team of 2018 was the result of 2014 triumph, Moser team seemed to be unbeatable and reliable for the future, which turned out to be a mistake.
I never denied that Moskvina has been very accomplished. My point was only that all her great results have been quite a while ago, and her last long-term pair (Kavaguti-Smirnov) has not been that great. They were alright, but I think they could have been better. Of course, what she achieved with Boikova/Kozlovski and now Mishina/Galliamov has been VERY impressive, but considering her age, I am not sure whether she will be able to keep this up long-term. She will be 80 in a month, not everyone can physically manage to work at this age, and elite level is quite demanding for time/effort from the coach. And if you want to say that she has the whole school/ a number of coaches behind her, well, I don’t think if you take Moskvina out, the rest is so good. Before B/K and M/G, Moskvina have not had successful pairs for quite a while, and she had support from Vasiliev in her school. Vasiliev is not there any more… Minchuk is not that experienced as a coach…who else is there?
 

FelineFairy

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I never denied that Moskvina has been very accomplished. My point was only that all her great results have been quite a while ago, and her last long-term pair (Kavaguti-Smirnov) has not been that great. They were alright, but I think they could have been better. Of course, what she achieved with Boikova/Kozlovski and now Mishina/Galliamov has been VERY impressive, but considering her age, I am not sure whether she will be able to keep this up long-term. She will be 80 in a month, not everyone can physically manage to work at this age, and elite level is quite demanding for time/effort from the coach. And if you want to say that she has the whole school/ a number of coaches behind her, well, I don’t think if you take Moskvina out, the rest is so good. Before B/K and M/G, Moskvina have not had successful pairs for quite a while, and she had support from Vasiliev in her school. Vasiliev is not there any more… Minchuk is not that experienced as a coach…who else is there?
You are right, of course, her age is a great concern. I don't think Vasiliev is that great of a coach, he had great luck with Totmyanina and Marinin, while he still was with Moskvina. After them, nothing more. Will Minchuk be a good specialist? Only time will tell, and of course he needs Moskvina to be active for some years to learn from her. My main thesis was that one cannot compare Moskvina and Moser from the point of view of "collection of the best pair skating schools". And I disagreed with the period of time you chose to compare achievemens. But anyway, could you really name a pair skating specialist anywhere in the world who could be equalled with Moskvina from a long-term point of view? Future is another thing, no one knows what happens. For any school.
As for Kavaguti/Smirnov, they never implemented their potential. Moskvina gave them all she could, but alas. No luck. Maybe this long-time devotion to one pair is what makes her now accept several at a time? To avoid putting all her eggs in one basket?
 

flanker

Record Breaker
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Czech-Republic
Minchuk seems to be a very good reinforcement of Moskvina's team so far. As for Tamara, I think she shows more vitality than people 40 years younger (like me :devil:):



I remember her commentary when Mishina/Galliamov won the worlds: "All bars in the hotel are closed. No chance to celebrate." :biggrin:
 

hanca

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Sep 23, 2008
Minchuk seems to be a very good reinforcement of Moskvina's team so far. As for Tamara, I think she shows more vitality than people 40 years younger (like me :devil:):
I don’t think coaching results are about vitality. That itself doesn’t make him a great coach. He might be, one day, but at this time he didn’t show anything exceptional on his own yet.
 

coldblueeyes

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Oct 25, 2014
Country
Brazil
For how long has Minchuk been with Moskvina? I read he’s been out of competition for what, ten years now, but how fruitful were these years since then? I’d like to know a bit more about him.
 

ladyjane

Medalist
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Jun 26, 2012
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Netherlands
Minchuk seems to be a very good reinforcement of Moskvina's team so far. As for Tamara, I think she shows more vitality than people 40 years younger (like me :devil:):



I remember her commentary when Mishina/Galliamov won the worlds: "All bars in the hotel are closed. No chance to celebrate." :biggrin:

Wow! Of course coaching results aren't about vitality, it's Tamara herself who is the vital one. Yay!
 

flanker

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For how long has Minchuk been with Moskvina? I read he’s been out of competition for what, ten years now, but how fruitful were these years since then? I’d like to know a bit more about him.
For what I know he joined Tamara's team immediately after ending his skating career when he was just 20-21. I presume at that age he started to work with kids. He's working with Boikova/Kozlovskii since 2016.
 

coldblueeyes

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For what I know he joined Tamara's team immediately after ending his skating career when he was just 20-21. I presume at that age he started to work with kids. He's working with Boikova/Kozlovskii since 2016.
Well, then he definitely did quite a good work with them.
 

flanker

Record Breaker
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Feb 10, 2018
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Czech-Republic
Liza Osokina's transfer to pairs is confirmed:

Her partner will be Andrei Rud: https://allskaters.info/andrey_rud/
Andrei previously skated with Anastasia Kostyuk.
 

flanker

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Czech-Republic
I'll copy/paste the full list of the national team members from the front page:

Russian national team, seniors:

Aleksandra Boikova/Dmitry Kozlovskii
Yasmina Kadyrova/Ivan Balchenko
Anastasia Mishina/Aleksandr Galliamov
Daria Pavliuchenko/Denis Khodykin
Apollinariia Panfilova/Dmitry Rylov
Evgenia Tarasova/Vladimir Morozov
Karina Akopova/Nikita Rakhmanin (reserve)
Iulia Artemeva/Mikhail Nazarychev (reserve)
Alina Pepeleva/Roman Pleshkov (reserve)

/Russian national team, juniors (13-19/21) and novices* (11-17/19):

Anastasia Mukhortova/Dmitry Evgeniev
Ekaterina Petushkova/Evgeniy Malikov
Natalia Khabibulina/Ilya Knyazhuk
Kseniia Akhanteva/Valerii Kolesov
Daria Boyarintseva/Maksim Shagalov
Polina Kostiukovich/Aleksei Briukhanov
Taisia Sobinina (reserve, listed separately from Sergei Bakhmat, will wait for comfirmation)
Sergei Bakhmat (reserve, no partner on the list)
Alina Raskovalova/Artyom Butaev*
Ekaterina Storublyovtseva/Artyom Gritsaenko*
Milana Trubacheva/Vladislav Smirnov*
Evgenia Tumanova/Georgiy Kunitsa*
Varvara Cheremikh/Daniil Butenko*
Ekaterina Chikmaryova/Matvei Yanchenkov*
 
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flanker

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Feb 10, 2018
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Czech-Republic
Interesting decisions:
Artemeva/Nazarychev in senior reserve team instead of junior team.
Akhanteva/Kolesov still in junior team
Kadyrova/Balchenko in full senior team (recently we were judging their chances here)
 

Dreamer57

Record Breaker
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May 20, 2018
Liza Osokina's transfer to pairs is confirmed:

Her partner will be Andrei Rud: https://allskaters.info/andrey_rud/
Andrei previously skated with Anastasia Kostyuk.
And Moser confirmed another new pair of Anastasia Kostyuk / Dmitri Chigirev:
https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20210601/figurka-1735127118.html

Kseniia's partner is called Valerii Kolesov.

I wasn't expecting Liza to move into pairs, I hope she can achieve her dreams. It sounds like it was more of a suggestion from the coaches for her to change disciplines.
 

LadyB

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Jan 7, 2016
I'm so super excited for all the new pairs combinations and additions to Mozer Team. It's gonna be a very interesting season!! They all looked mega happy at training camp and all seem to be getting on well.
Alexey Sviatchenko will skate with Nadya Labazina by the looks of it!
 

cto888

Rinkside
Joined
May 11, 2021
Country
Spain
Interesting decisions:
Artemeva/Nazarychev in senior reserve team instead of junior team.
Akhanteva/Kolesov still in junior team
Kadyrova/Balchenko in full senior team (recently we were judging their chances here)
Can Artemeva/Nazarychev still compete on Junior worlds while being on the senior national team? Or as they won't compete at Junior nationals they won't be able to "qualify"?
 

gordana

On the Ice
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Sep 17, 2015
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Russia
Senior Nationals don't give sports for Junior worlds. But we'll see which GP circuit they are going to attend, that will show if they are going to compete at both levels or totally at senior one.
 

hanca

Record Breaker
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
I'll copy/paste the full list of the national team members from the front page:

Russian national team, seniors:

Aleksandra Boikova/Dmitry Kozlovskii
Yasmina Kadyrova/Ivan Balchenko
Anastasia Mishina/Aleksandr Galliamov
Daria Pavliuchenko/Denis Khodykin
Apollinariia Panfilova/Dmitry Rylov
Evgenia Tarasova/Vladimir Morozov
Karina Akopova/Nikita Rakhmanin (reserve)
Iulia Artemeva/Mikhail Nazarychev (reserve)
Alina Pepeleva/Roman Pleshkov (reserve)

/Russian national team, juniors (13-19/21) and novices* (11-17/19):

Anastasia Mukhortova/Dmitry Evgeniev
Ekaterina Petushkova/Evgeniy Malikov
Natalia Khabibulina/Ilya Knyazhuk
Ksenia Akhanteva/Dmitry Kolesov
Daria Boyarintseva/Maksim Shagalov
Polina Kostiukovich/Aleksei Briukhanov
Sergei Bakhmat (reserve, no partner on the list)
Alina Raskovalova/Artyom Butaev*
Ekaterina Storublyovtseva/Artyom Gritsaenko*
Milana Trubacheva/Vladislav Smirnov*
Evgenia Tumanova/Georgiy Kunitsa*
Varvara Cheremikh/Daniil Butenko*
Ekaterina Chikmaryova/Matvei Yanchenkov*
Bakhmat is now skating with Sobinina and she has also made it onto junior reserve team. See the addendum

 
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