If the basis for saying she is the best is purely the ability to do three quads and two 3As, wouldn't it be more accurate to say she is "the best jumper" or "the skater with the highest scoring potential" rather than "the best skater"?
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To be fair, Kamila's skating skills are probably among the best in women's at the moment.
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Do we know for sure that Kamila will be going for a free skate layout that includes two 4Ts, two 3As, and a 4S next season? I thought her coaches at one point said she was maxed out at two 4Ts and a 3A in the free.
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Nothing is for sure, but she is attempting the 4toe, 3axel, and 4sal in one program. I just hope she sticks to that and doesn't risk injury attempting 4lutzes or 4flips. I mean, if five of her 7 jumping passes in the free skate are ultra-C, does she REALLY need to risk a lutz or flip quad jump? She's perfect as is.
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i don't think she'd do 2 3As, but i can absolutely see her adding in the 4S in addition to the two 4Ts and one 3A she already has in the free.
IMO even if she keeps her layout from last season and continues her consistency, she is unbeatable. unless she makes mistakes, nobody can touch her. and i'm counting Trusova in that because she hasn't been clean in ages and her chances of doing so aren't high. maybe she could still beat a clean Trusova because of how far ahead of her she is in PCS.
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Kamila's skating skills are good, but I'm not sure if they're among the best. I have 10 ladies that I can put above her in ss. I'd say she's Rika level ss, not Kaori or Aliona or Ksenia.
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I equate the highest scoring potential (in her usual form) to be the best skater. Theoretically, a clean Sasha with a 3A in the SP and all her quads in the LP would destroy everyone, but her strategy is to try more than she can actually execute cleanly.
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Back to the US ladies, Isabeau Levito scored 121.36 for a total combined score of 185.86. Levito fell on a downgraded quad-toe. Mia Kalin scored 117.03, landing TWO quad-toes (one deemed under-rotated), one of which was in combination with a double-toe.
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Mia Kalin becomes just the second American lady to land a quad in competition. Congratulations Mia!
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Mia Kalin becomes just the second American lady to land a quad in competition. Congratulations Mia!
What does "bonus 2" mean?
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Wow Mia and Isabeau are really going for it this upcoming season!
Congrats to Mia for landing the quad, and I think Isabeau will get it soon too
These girls are very competitive, and they’re ready to step up to the competition, I really appreciate that about them.I'm guessing they are doing what the Russians do and according bonus points for some elements. (Domestic competitions only). Anyway, welcome to the quad club Mia! Nice GOE on the first one as well.
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Yay Mia!!! I hope someone filmed her FS and Quads
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Congratulations to Mia, but by the looks of her PCS either Isabeau really is the Feds chosen one (which wouldn’t surprise me), or her speed/skating skills/performance haven’t improved much if at all.
This is where I wish the USFSA would step in and push for coaching changes, provide funding for younger promising skaters etc. For Mia to be that far behind Isabeau (who needs work herself) on PCS after landing a clean quad in combination and going almost clean on everything else ….I’m sure that program was atrocious.
We can probably look forward to 4th or 5th place finishes on the JGP this season, which is better than the past couple of years so there’s that.
This is where I wish the USFSA would step in and push for coaching changes, provide funding for younger promising skaters etc. For Mia to be that far behind Isabeau (who needs work herself) on PCS after landing a clean quad in combination and going almost clean on everything else ….I’m sure that program was atrocious.
We can probably look forward to 4th or 5th place finishes on the JGP this season, which is better than the past couple of years so there’s that.
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To be fair Kamila's SS are weaker than Rika's too. Rika has great edges, if not effortless speed. Kamila's edges are a definite weak point. But, honestly this is the US ladies thread and comparing Valieva to Alysa is a better comparison. Valieva is obviously superior in that assessment. I do think we should moderate our expectations for Alysa and Valieva. Valieva has never landed a 4S in competition. She has never landed a 3A internationally. People make predictions all the time about who will be undefeated the next year and it almost never works out the way that assume it will. Let's just see what happens.
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It is hard not to give Isabeau higher PCS ( based on previous performances). They both need more speed, Isabeau into her jumps and Mia through the whole performance. But, Isabeau is a great performer and Mia, based on previous competitions, just isn't. But, Mia could easily still have won if her GOE on her elements were stronger. You need to land jumps with quality, not just land them. However, she has time to improve both jump quality and SS. I think both girls have a lot of potential.
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Credit to Mia also for clear improvement today 
since her FS in early June (when she had more trouble on her quad toes [one with a fall, and both underrotated] as well as other jumps, resulting in markedly lower BV, TES, and TSS).
Small note that to have a chance at OWG selection, a JGP lady from this season also would need to compete at a senior international to earn the senior tech minimums for OWG.
(It would be do-able, but it would be a little different from the Polina scenario.)
since her FS in early June (when she had more trouble on her quad toes [one with a fall, and both underrotated] as well as other jumps, resulting in markedly lower BV, TES, and TSS).Small note that to have a chance at OWG selection, a JGP lady from this season also would need to compete at a senior international to earn the senior tech minimums for OWG.
(It would be do-able, but it would be a little different from the Polina scenario.)
Yes. USFS had been giving bonuses for difficult jump elements at the juvenile, intermediate, and novice levels for several years, and more recently they added bonuses for junior level as well. Currently the junior bonuses are 2.0 for a quad and 1.0 for triple axel.
"To be eligible for any bonus, jumps must be fully rotated, landed on the quarter (q) or under-rotated (<). Jumps with an edge attention (!) are eligible. Jump elements that include a wrong edge (e) or downgraded (<<) are not eligible for a bonus."
Clare Seo is 1st in Junior Ladies Group B with a FS score of 116.66 and a total score of 180.10 (she would be 3rd in FS and 2nd overall if the two groups were combined). No ultra-C elements, but based on their performances at Junior Nats I'm a little suspicious of the judges' decision to give Clare lower PCS than Isabeau.
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But Group A and Group B had two completely different judging panels. (Ditto for the tech panels, BTW.)
The Group A judges can't be held responsible for the PCS given to Group B (including Clare).
And the Group B judges can't be held responsible for the PCS given to Group A (including Isabeau).
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