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Well, for people who want some "international judging" on Trusova's LP, apparently Phil Hersh made someone score it:



The components are the usual cakes for everyone so i don't doubt it is from an international judge.

9.50 skating skills with that back crossover, and the program is a jumps exhibition. But yeah with that many quads, it's going to be that high.
 
Well, for people who want some "international judging" on Trusova's LP, apparently Phil Hersh made someone score it:


9.5 for skating skills and 9.25 for performance? :scratch2: And the thing is if she performed that at the olympics, they would have given her 73 pcs. No joke.
 
Threads for all the Cup of Russia events are already up in the Russian Nationals forum. Stage 1 is also featured in the right sidebar on the forum start page under "Upcoming Events".
https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/2021-cup-of-russia-stage-1-syzran.88987/post-2788093
Thanks!

I wonder how many of the young Russian girls will compete in the senior event?

There are many that are age eligible - Muravieva, Petrosian, Zakharova, Akatieva, Samodelkina, Zinina, Berestovskaya, Gorbacheva, Shiryaeva. And there are probably many others from Saint Petersburg as well but I don't know their age, like Sviridenko, Ovchinnikova etc...
 
Something elese which became very obvious at this test skates: its the definive end of Tarasova as a big influancial behind the scene player. She is not relevant anymore.not a single skater thanked or praised her for her support. No blatant remarks from her in the press. When was her last big push? She played her cards wrong with her support for zhenya and orser two years ago. But now No one needs her anymore to rise in favour in the eyes of the federation. Her school CSKA lost the power game already years ago, this year not a single test skate girl. Tarasova is out of the game. Eteri is ruling with absolute power (figuratively speaking). Even Plushy is toying with Tarasova. Finally she can t destroy young hopefull careers anymore. Good
 
Something elese which became very obvious at this test skates: its the definive end of Tarasova as a big influancial behind the scene player. She is not relevant anymore.not a single skater thanked or praised her for her support. No blatant remarks from her in the press. When was her last big push? She played her cards wrong with her support for zhenya and orser two years ago. But now No one needs her anymore to rise in favour in the eyes of the federation. Her school CSKA lost the power game already years ago, this year not a single test skate girl. Tarasova is out of the game. Eteri is ruling with absolute power (figuratively speaking). Even Plushy is toying with Tarasova. Finally she can t destroy young hopefull careers anymore. Good
That post smells anger:laugh:
I think she still has some power but if she can't do as much politicking as before, that's good news.
After pushing Konstantinova and Medvedeva thus robbing Gubanova and Tutktamysheva, i'm happy if she can just sit down and watch.

It isn't simple but Gubanova maybe wouldn't have had to change countries if Tarasova just had let her go to 2018 junior worlds. Konstantinova got so pushed that she ended unfairly ahead of Gubanova at junior nats.
Sometimes it take one competition to change a career. The skater just has to be given the chance to compete.
 
It isn't simple but Gubanova maybe wouldn't have had to change countries if Tarasova just had let her go to 2018 junior worlds. Konstantinova got so pushed that she ended unfairly ahead of Gubanova at junior nats.
Well she also ended up ahead of Gubanova at senior nats too. Was it politics? Maybe. Probably. But they didn't forsee all that happened that year. (Being an Olympic year complicated things.)

If they knew for sure that Evgenia would withdraw from Worlds they might have sent Gubanova to Juniors instead. But there were also other decisions they could make that year.

Also, it definitely isn't that simple. It's hard enough to predict how juniors will mature into senior skaters. There are many skaters who were stars as juniors who never made it to seniors or didn't live up to the gaudy expectations that were dreamed for them. Likewise, there are many skaters who weren't stars as juniors who developed into wonderfully consistent skaters.

That said, in Russia, in particular there isn't a lot of time - due to the competitiveness of the field - even at the junior level to not achieve and succeed.

Keep in mind too that that year Gubanova only had one grand prix where she finished 4th. While Konstantinova also had only one grand prix that season, she medalled at hers (bronze) and her score was higher. Also she was soon to have issues with maintaining her skills through puberty and that one competition doesn't have any effect on biology.
 
Something elese which became very obvious at this test skates: its the definive end of Tarasova as a big influancial behind the scene player. She is not relevant anymore.not a single skater thanked or praised her for her support. No blatant remarks from her in the press. When was her last big push? She played her cards wrong with her support for zhenya and orser two years ago. But now No one needs her anymore to rise in favour in the eyes of the federation. Her school CSKA lost the power game already years ago, this year not a single test skate girl. Tarasova is out of the game. Eteri is ruling with absolute power (figuratively speaking). Even Plushy is toying with Tarasova. Finally she can t destroy young hopefull careers anymore. Good
I guess that the reason is simple: she is too old. I hope she stays in good health as long as it takes. But it's the time for everything including being "grey cardinal" as the Russians name behind the scene influencers.
 
Well she also ended up ahead of Gubanova at senior nats too. Was it politics? Maybe. Probably. But they didn't forsee all that happened that year. (Being an Olympic year complicated things.)
Yes, because she was known for always receiving generous scores at nats. She finished just 5 points higher not 10 or 20.
And senior nats doesn't count in the selection. Or i think it shouldn't. Simply because of that rule of being 14yo. There are junior worlds contenders who are 13yo and can't compete at senior nats.
Also, it definitely isn't that simple. It's hard enough to predict how juniors will mature into senior skaters. There are many skaters who were stars as juniors who never made it to seniors or didn't live up to the gaudy expectations that were dreamed for them. Likewise, there are many skaters who weren't stars as juniors who developed into wonderfully consistent skaters.

That said, in Russia, in particular there isn't a lot of time - due to the competitiveness of the field - even at the junior level to not achieve and succeed.
Yes and it's experience that makes the skater. International experience especially is very valuable. Without it, difficult to become successful.

Keep in mind too that that year Gubanova only had one grand prix where she finished 4th. While Konstantinova also had only one grand prix that season, she medalled at hers (bronze) and her score was higher. Also she was soon to have issues with maintaining her skills through puberty and that one competition doesn't have any effect on biology.
Gubanova was already going trough puberty. A harsh one. If you watch the video of her first jgp and the video of that jgp were she finished 4th, you see two different girls. She had already changed a lot.
Despite the harsh puberty she managed to keep her triples and even added 3lz-3lo.

Results in jgp stages don't usually weight a lot because fed always go by the placements of nats. Otherwise Sinitsyna wouldn't have been sent instead of Kanysheva in 2019.
 
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I totally agree, but Polina Edmunds doesn’t seem to 😂😂😂
The fact that a skater like Polina Edmunds, from the US ladies skating field in which someone like her, who at the very best landed a 3-3 and made it to the Olympics with that, would take it upon herself to comment on, let alone critique, skaters like Anna, Sasha, Kamila or Alena who are in situations in the Russian field , and have a tech level, she couldn't imagine if she tried.... I think does not need to be analyzed further, simply chuckled at.
 
In what universe was Kostner's Bolero iconic? Don't tell me it's because she managed to complete that program without landing on her butt. I don't think the performance itself was anything special or memorable to even warrant calling it iconic and even calling it the standard. If Kostner is the standard then that's a pretty low target to aim for. This whole deification of Kostner is comical and farcical.
Agreed, never really understood what people liked about her. You know, Kostner used to be known as someone who had no artistic ability and was all jumps, but then after she got older she suddenly became seen as some great artistic talent even though her actual artistry barely even evolved over the years in my opinion. Never been a fan at all.
Then some will say that the program is empty as they did with Zagitova's cleopatra when Danill finally removed the 444 transitions.
See, I don't think a program needs to have a billion transitions in order for it to not be empty. It can be done beautifully to the music even without moving transition to transition. The issue generally is that if there's not a ton of transitions, what we're left with is simply very weak choreo - but it does not have to be like that.
 
That post smells anger:laugh:
I think she still has some power but if she can't do as much politicking as before, that's good news.
After pushing Konstantinova and Medvedeva thus robbing Gubanova and Tutktamysheva, i'm happy if she can just sit down and watch.

It isn't simple but Gubanova maybe wouldn't have had to change countries if Tarasova just had let her go to 2018 junior worlds. Konstantinova got so pushed that she ended unfairly ahead of Gubanova at junior nats.
Sometimes it take one competition to change a career. The skater just has to be given the chance to compete.
If only... One thing that could have been different as well was at Senior RusNats 2019. Sofia grabbed that 3rd spot for Europeans, but Tarusina and Gubanova were only a few points behind her. If anyone of those two had gone to Europeans that year they could easily have won it like Sofia did. And had a very different career because of it.
 
If only... One thing that could have been different as well was at Senior RusNats 2019. Sofia grabbed that 3rd spot for Europeans, but Tarusina and Gubanova were only a few points behind her. If anyone of those two had gone to Europeans that year they could easily have won it like Sofia did. And had a very different career because of it.
Very true. Both were the most underscored (with Tarakanova).
 
That really could be it. I kind of don't want to rewatch Kamila's program again, but it just seems like the exact same sound level and intensity the whole time. There's no buildup.
Bolero is hard to skate to and keep it interesting. I actually think it would have been a good pick when extreme backloaded programs were a thing a few years ago, since the piece is more exciting at the end. Kamila does the best with the choreography she's given, and I think her LP is very watchable when she hits the technical elements.
 
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