2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating | Page 134 | Golden Skate

2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

Status
Not open for further replies.
I think it WAS practice for Skate America.

Also, Sasha is determined to do her 5 quad program - and she can do it. Especially with the lack of international competitions last year. Sasha - and the rest of the Rus ladies - need practice in front of judges to see how their programs are received (particularly in an Olympic year) and competition experience.

One reason for the Rus ladies success IS their consistent competitions.
Well let's hope we have consistent competitions this season I expect that to happen but we don't know ways coronavirus what will happen.

I guess Sasha will do her 5 quad program because that's one of the reasons she left TT last year because they wanted her to do less than 5.
 
There wasn’t anything disrespectful in how he talked about her, in fact, he complimented her a lot. There are no character flaws he mentioned?
It’s not the „personality“ he was talking about, but Aliona’s mental approach to jumps. He believes she could do so much more with the talent that she has, but that mentally she’s not ready to concur those jumps. She also said herself shortly before, that even 3A is an extreme thing to do for her, so her not being mentally ready for quads makes perfect sense.
Regarding Shae‘s program, I think he was trying to show that programs, Aliona skated to last season, weren’t shown to their full potential. More precisely, he said that if the program isn’t polished, then it won’t look good.
And they really didn’t even have time to polish up those programs at that point, she had only a few weeks to learn and skate 2 new programs.
Exactly. He also said it was her CONDITION AND FORM at that time, which made her not being able to perform the complete choreography. It's getting so tiring that some people are always finding negativity, where there is absolutely none. If you have ear for what he said, his words were direct but absolutely honest and spot on, so they were exactly the opposite what some people want to make of them. He wants Aliona to do her best, he wants to encourage her to be able to bring out the best in her. I know it's the zeitgeist nowadays (especially in the western culture) to be overprotective and oversensitive about almost everything and everbody and always be politically correct, but thank God, there are still places in the world where people can say directly what they think and call the things what they are without being stigmatized as a bad person.
 
Wait, what?? But she just did test skates and competed in the US this past weekend?

I understand wanting to get more competition experience under her belt to help with nerves but at least space things out a little more so she can rest.
Yes it is close ... maybe Eteri wants to tire her a little bit for her understand what means to jump 5 quads in a program.. :shrug:
 
I don't want to presume that I know better than Sasha what she "should" do. She's got an incredible drive to excel, and I know skating the five-quad program is really important to her.

Still - looking at her success rates with jumps/combos, I really hope she's able to get that 3A in working order in competition. If she isn't able to get the five-quad program reliably clean heading toward Nationals / the Olympics, it'd be great for her to be able to play it safe with a 3A in the short (and perhaps 3Lz+3Lo), and stick with a less risky, three-quad free. She'd still have a decent BV advantage over Kamila, especially if she repeats the 4Lz in the free.
 
Yes it is close ... maybe Eteri wants to tire her a little bit for her understand what means to jump 5 quads in a program.. :shrug:
Hope you are right. And I don’t believe Eteri would sabotage Sasha but 3 back to back to back weeks of across the world competitions is crazy to say the least. It may actually cause her fail to achieve her goal of landing 5 quads in a competition. Then in 3 weeks she’ll have to fly across the world again to complete in Skate America.
 
Exactly. He also said it was her CONDITION AND FORM at that time, which made her not being able to perform the complete choreography. It's getting so tiring that some people are always finding negativity, where there is absolutely none. If you have ear for what he said, his words were direct but absolutely honest and spot on, so they were exactly the opposite what some people want to make of them. He wants Aliona to do her best, he wants to encourage her to be able to bring out the best in her. I know it's the zeitgeist nowadays (especially in the western culture) to be overprotective and oversensitive about almost everything and everbody and always be politically correct, but thank God, there are still places in the world where people can say directly what they think and call the things what they are without being stigmatized as a bad person. Relax xD
Relax xD
Nobody is trying to make whatever sound like whatever, I simply said it was strange he was supposed to describe why he chose this music, and then took most of the time to go on talking about her personality and why this and that can't be done by her, that even the best program doesn't look good if the skater doesn't perform it well etc. It sounded simply strange, especially in the translation.
Which is why I asked what others thought of it.
Instead of thinking others are trying to put negativity into a coach's mouth (I for once think the Krustalny team is brilliant in what they have achieved) maybe take a step back and look at yourself putting negativity into other posters' mouths.
 
Well let's hope we have consistent competitions this season I expect that to happen but we don't know ways coronavirus what will happen.

I guess Sasha will do her 5 quad program because that's one of the reasons she left TT last year because they wanted her to do less than 5.
Yeah but that's not limited to Sasha.
 
Wait, what?? But she just did test skates and competed in the US this past weekend?

I understand wanting to get more competition experience under her belt to help with nerves but at least space things out a little more so she can rest.
Honestly, Eteri's girls have said that competition is less work than their normal practice. Remember, they do mini competitions at the rink themselves all the time. For competitions, they actually do less runthroughs.
 
Hope you are right. And I don’t believe Eteri would sabotage Sasha but 3 back to back to back weeks of across the world competitions is crazy to say the least. It may actually cause her fail to achieve her goal of landing 5 quads in a competition. Then in 3 weeks she’ll have to fly across the world again to complete in Skate America.
Liza did something super similar the year she won Worlds.
 
I feel bad for Trusova. She would have been better off at the other place. Say what you will about that other coach, but I felt that her artistry developed tremendously last year. Now she gets handed this dime in a dozen, generic program for her Olympic coronation season, which is basically unwatchable minus the quads.
You don't need to feel bad for Trusova because Team Tutberidze knows very well how to maximize everyone's scoring potential. Trusova is not an artistic skater and she will never be. You can't turn a fruit into a vegetable. If she wants to make the team and win the Olympics, she needs to focus on what she does best: jumps! If you give her programs with beautiful choreo, she is likely to reduce the number of quads or she will make more mistakes.

Potential points with no choreo:

TES 110-120 / PCS 65 = 185 Points.

Potential points with choreo:

TES 90-100 / PCS 70 = 170 Points
 
Relax xD
Nobody is trying to make whatever sound like whatever, I simply said it was strange he was supposed to describe why he chose this music, and then took most of the time to go on talking about her personality and why this and that can't be done by her, that even the best program doesn't look good if the skater doesn't perform it well etc. It sounded simply strange, especially in the translation.
Which is why I asked what others thought of it.
Instead of thinking others are trying to put negativity into a coach's mouth (I for once think the Krustalny team is brilliant in what they have achieved) maybe take a step back and look at yourself putting negativity into other posters' mouths.
I don't think my post indicates that I'm not relaxed. I just wanted to speak my mind, 'cause whatever you say, the phenomenon is there and it gets in the way of sensible talk and discussing problems, issues or simply anything else these days. And if you don't feel the cap fits you, why are you wearing it then? I didn't name any posters in particular, I said "some people", so I think maybe you should relax...
 
"She is probably one of the skaters that's most talented and where her personality gets most in the way of that talent"
"There is no reason for her not to jump quads, physically she can, mentally she can't"
"If people don't like her program it's because she doesn't perform it well, even the best choreography doesn't work if the skater isn't skating it correctly"
This sounds like an oversimplification. Aliona may have a mental block from quads, but why? Maybe because her air position is too wild- not tight enough, it takes her a while to get into her air position, and she’s a slower rotator. All of these things would cause a “mental” block, because it feels like your body simply cannot do it, but it’s also a technical issue. Daniil should be the first person to know that big jumps do not equal quads.
 
This sounds like an oversimplification. Aliona may have a mental block from quads, but why? Maybe because her air position is too wild- not tight enough, it takes her a while to get into her air position, and she’s a slower rotator. All of these things would cause a “mental” block, because it feels like your body simply cannot do it, but it’s also a technical issue. Daniil should be the first person to know that big jumps do not equal quads.
Aliona explains in an interview what exactly he meant when he said it and talks about these mental blocks:

she says sometimes she’s doesn’t “feel” the rink, the turns feel sluggish and that’s when she doesn’t want to try the jumps, because she feels like she’ll get injured if she does.

 
Last edited:
Aliona explains in an interview what exact he meant when he said this and talks about these mental blocks:

she says sometimes she’s doesn’t “feel” the rink, the turns feel sluggish and that’s when she doesn’t want to try the jumps, because she feels like she’ll get injured if she does.

Good interview. Thanks for the link. I still think there’s a link between this “mental” block and the technique, though. If she doesn’t “feel” the rink, it probably goes back to her not feeling like she’s able to snap into rotation quick enough, and feeling like she may get injured by not completing the rotation (and she’s likely right to feel like this). With her jump technique, I think this is a completely valid “mental” block, especially because in my hypothesis it’s not only mental, but goes back to her fundamentals. It must be frustrating for her to not be able to do the jumps even when she feels slightly off, but considering how huge her jumps can be and the mechanics of how she does them, I think she’s completely right to be cautious.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top