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DougDorsey said:
But Kami, Daria, and Maiia are all born before July 1. Akatyeva is not.

Someone shared a RusFed document with me that they said stated that there's a July 1 cutoff for Cup of Russia events.

And I'm having trouble finding any examples of girls born after July 1 (of the year they turn 14) who have competed in senior Cup of Russia events.

EDIT: Although Jonitor above provides an example of Sinitsina.
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Yes, Sinitsina competed in senior category of the Cup in 2018, when she was 14 and born after 1st july:
allskaters.info

Ksenia Sinitsyna | Синицына Ксения Алексеевна

А Б В Г Д Е Ё Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Э Ю Я Команды синхронного катания Дата рождения: 5 августа 2004 Город рождения: Тверь Регион: Москва Вид: Одиночное катание Клуб: СШ “Снежные барсы” (Москва) Тренер: Светлана Панова, Татьяна […]
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Jontor said:
Come to think of it, Sinitsyna will be at Skate America the week before her Challenger. Why on earth did she assign herself to this competition. The jet lag alone must be brutal.
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Unfortunately, in Kseniia's case, I think she had to what was available after the top Rus skaters were assigned/picked their competitions. And Kseniia does need to increase her ranking and start to get consistent, international skates.
 
flanker said:
Yes, Sinitsina competed in senior category of the Cup in 2018, when she was 14 and born after 1st july:
allskaters.info

Ksenia Sinitsyna | Синицына Ксения Алексеевна

А Б В Г Д Е Ё Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Э Ю Я Команды синхронного катания Дата рождения: 5 августа 2004 Город рождения: Тверь Регион: Москва Вид: Одиночное катание Клуб: СШ “Снежные барсы” (Москва) Тренер: Светлана Панова, Татьяна […]
allskaters.info allskaters.info
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but Alena also competed in the senior category (2017-2018 season) when she was 14 and her birthday is August 24. She actually won the Cup Final.
 
flanker said:
Yes, Sinitsina competed in senior category of the Cup in 2018, when she was 14 and born after 1st july:
allskaters.info

Ksenia Sinitsyna | Синицына Ксения Алексеевна

А Б В Г Д Е Ё Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Э Ю Я Команды синхронного катания Дата рождения: 5 августа 2004 Город рождения: Тверь Регион: Москва Вид: Одиночное катание Клуб: СШ “Снежные барсы” (Москва) Тренер: Светлана Панова, Татьяна […]
allskaters.info allskaters.info
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The rules are different for each season.

Current rules this season.

About July 1st at the bottom of page 2. But these rules are only for the Russian Cup. There are no age requirements to participate in senior RusNats.

Looks like Akatieva will be able to take part in senior RusNats :)
 
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PavelSky said:
The rules are different for each season.

Current rules this season.

About July 1st at the bottom of page 2. But these rules are only for the Russian Cup. There are no age requirements to participate in senior RusNats.

Looks like Akatieva will be able to take part in senior RusNats :)
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THIS is what I was trying to figure out.

I'm pretty sure this is the same document that was shared with me.

I don't read Russian, but it sounds like you're confirming that for this season, the Russian Cup birth date cutoff is July 1, and not December 31, as it's been in some if not most past seasons? (For example, when Sinitsina or Kostornaia competed despite not turning 14 until after July 1.)

Why in the heck would they change this cutoff from season to season? Super confusing.

In any case, going back to my original post, this seems to confirm that if, hypothetically, Akatyeva had not made the JGPF, then she would have had no way to qualify for senior RusNats.
 
DougDorsey said:
THIS is what I was trying to figure out.

I'm pretty sure this is the same document that was shared with me.

I don't read Russian, but it sounds like you're confirming that for this season, the Russian Cup birth date cutoff is July 1, and not December 31, as it's been in some if not most past seasons? (For example, when Sinitsina or Kostornaia competed despite not turning 14 until after July 1.)

Why in the heck would they change this cutoff from season to season? Super confusing.

In any case, going back to my original post, this seems to confirm that if, hypothetically, Akatyeva had not made the JGPF, then she would have had no way to qualify for senior RusNats.
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What it says is:

Спортсмены в одиночном катании и танцах на льду могут быть заявлены только на 2 (два) этапа (в одиночном катании на 01.07.2021 достигшие 14 леt

Athletes in single skating and ice dance could only apply for 2 (two) stages (in single skating must be 14 years of age on July 1st 2021)
 
DougDorsey said:
THIS is what I was trying to figure out.

I'm pretty sure this is the same document that was shared with me.

I don't read Russian, but it sounds like you're confirming that for this season, the Russian Cup birth date cutoff is July 1, and not December 31, as it's been in some if not most past seasons? (For example, when Sinitsina or Kostornaia competed despite not turning 14 until after July 1.)

Why in the heck would they change this cutoff from season to season? Super confusing.

In any case, going back to my original post, this seems to confirm that if, hypothetically, Akatyeva had not made the JGPF, then she would have had no way to qualify for senior RusNats.
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It’s because they didn’t really properly specify it. This edition of rules is confusing.
They used to specify that athletes aged X are allowed to attend Russian nationals in previous years. So it was clear that there was a certain cut off age. It’s not explicitly written in this set of rules.
If the Cup Series has a 1st July cut off age, it would be logical that Nationals would have the same age cut off.

I guess they’ll provide details later on.
 
DougDorsey said:
THIS is what I was trying to figure out.

I'm pretty sure this is the same document that was shared with me.

I don't read Russian, but it sounds like you're confirming that for this season, the Russian Cup birth date cutoff is July 1, and not December 31, as it's been in some if not most past seasons? (For example, when Sinitsina or Kostornaia competed despite not turning 14 until after July 1.)

Why in the heck would they change this cutoff from season to season? Super confusing.

In any case, going back to my original post, this seems to confirm that if, hypothetically, Akatyeva had not made the JGPF, then she would have had no way to qualify for senior RusNats.
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There was never a 31 December cutoff, it was "14 by the start of the competition". Last season they changed it to 14 by 1 July.
 
I love how Dave and Jonathon from the Skating Lesson talk about how the Russian ladies are no longer looking so formidible. Witj Rika and Wakaba and even Kaori all possibly beating them or at least a few Russians. Nothing against the amazing Russian ladies but it is hard to have three skaters take the podium -not impossible. But for three from one nation to skate well enough at one event won't be easy.

Valieva despite her continual physical growth scored over 170pts in her freeskate. Anything over 158 is amazingly high probably. Liza may not be on anyone's dance card but she consistently gets the jo done and somehow got on the podium at worlds and Finlandia. The former world champion refuses to give up. Kostornaia may still be coming back from injury but even without her there is still Scherskabova the current world champion. Maia K who is improving. Trusova who is fighting to regain all those quads. Sadly the most beautiful skating form Satoko seems like we will not see come olympics or worlds. Unless she fixes those tech issues she seems to be an afterthought. Russia definitely is goign to be tough even with growth and injury issues.
 
What do people think the odds are of Kostornaia changing her programs? I think she's likely out of time, but her long program especially is such a bad vehicle for her. She doesn't seem to connect with the music, and the lightness and verve and joy she had that made her so captivating seem completely gone. It's such a shame that they didn't give her a more compelling program for the Olympic season.

I think Valieva is way overscored. Technically, she's impressive, and you can see that she has musical qualities. But that Bolero program is not a good fit for her. It's too mature, and she looks like she's skating through the music, going from element to element with no connection to what she's doing. You could turn the music off, and the effect would be the same.

I don't usually agree with Dave and Jonathan - I think they're often overly catty and negative - but I think they're right about Kostornaia and Valieva.
 
amc987 said:
What do people think the odds are of Kostornaia changing her programs? I think she's likely out of time, but her long program especially is such a bad vehicle for her. She doesn't seem to connect with the music, and the lightness and verve and joy she had that made her so captivating seem completely gone. It's such a shame that they didn't give her a more compelling program for the Olympic season.

I think Valieva is way overscored. Technically, she's impressive, and you can see that she has musical qualities. But that Bolero program is not a good fit for her. It's too mature, and she looks like she's skating through the music, going from element to element with no connection to what she's doing. You could turn the music off, and the effect would be the same.

I don't usually agree with Dave and Jonathan - I think they're often overly catty and negative - but I think they're right about Kostornaia and Valieva.
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I don't think that the problem is the programs. Team Tut are not known for their programs, they are known for their technical and difficult skating.

I can't stand Bolero, and I think the choreo is bad, but Valieva tries to sell it the best she can and it works. A world record score proves that.

Kostornaia's on the other hand, yes she has a bad program as well, but I think she looks uninspired, tentative, and it seems to me she lacks motivation. She's not even trying. That's the problem IMO, not the program.
 
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Skater Boy said:
I love how Dave and Jonathon from the Skating Lesson talk about how the Russian ladies are no longer looking so formidible. Witj Rika and Wakaba and even Kaori all possibly beating them or at least a few Russians. Nothing against the amazing Russian ladies but it is hard to have three skaters take the podium -not impossible. But for three from one nation to skate well enough at one event won't be easy.

Valieva despite her continual physical growth scored over 170pts in her freeskate. Anything over 158 is amazingly high probably. Liza may not be on anyone's dance card but she consistently gets the jo done and somehow got on the podium at worlds and Finlandia. The former world champion refuses to give up. Kostornaia may still be coming back from injury but even without her there is still Scherskabova the current world champion. Maia K who is improving. Trusova who is fighting to regain all those quads. Sadly the most beautiful skating form Satoko seems like we will not see come olympics or worlds. Unless she fixes those tech issues she seems to be an afterthought. Russia definitely is goign to be tough even with growth and injury issues.
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All we have to go on are the results so far. The Russians are outscoring the Japanese skaters we have seen. Some, like Rika, we have not seen and are are a question mark. The Russian ladies right now look just as formidable as before. If Kostornaia drops off (maybe), they still have Trusova, Anna S., Kamila and Liza. Kamila scored a world record after under-rotating and falling on a jump (albeit, a 3A). There is no indication she is being hurt by a growth spurt. The season is young and by the time we get to the Olympics, there will be more on which to base an opinion. For now, predictions like those on TSL are just guesswork (and maybe some wishful thinking).
 
I had the privilege to attend Finlandia and I have to say that Valievas Bolero hits different live. I could never stand it on TV but was completly amazed by it in the arena. And the judges seemed to agree.

Konstornaias Free didn't really leave an impact for me though. And Kostornaia used to be my favorite skater of the last 3 years. Her 6 min Warm Up is also super weird. She is going around the ice rink for almost the entire time only doing 3 triple jumps and no spins or steps.

Loved Tukt live as much as on tv. And she only looked slow compared to valieva. Everyone else seemed on the same level. So I get her super high PCS.
 
Jontor said:
I don't think that the problem is the programs. Team Tut are not known for their programs, they are known for their technical and difficult skating.

I can't stand Bolero, and I think the choreo is bad, but Valieva tries to sell it the best she can and it works. A world record score proves that.

Kostornaia's on the other hand, yes she has a bad program as well, but I think she looks uninspired, tentative, and it seems to me she lacks motivation. She's not even trying. That's the problem IMO, not the program.
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It is probably too late to change her music now unless she goes back to previous music (which would be fine with me!). But I fail to understand why Aliona’s team kept the same FS music she had under Plushenko and changed her SP music to the downer Beth Hart piece. Apparently they were all about erasing details connecting Aliona’s time with Plushenko - costumes, Billie E, etc - EXCEPT the FS music?! Why? :shrug: Talk about making it difficult for her to find her groove again. I have faith that she will dig deep and access that spark again since it was so evident during her “Lovely” show performance so recently.

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