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2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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Congrats to Maiia! I definitely wouldn’t have predicted her victory especially after she Zayaked, but I love how she’s pushed herself as a performer.
Anna got some calls that caused her TES to go down 5+ points
 
So...you're point is, (in the Russian Women's thread I might add), that all Russian women are overscored?

My point was that the scoring in Gdansk was normal and the scoring at Krasnoyarsk was favouring the Russians. I’m not saying all Russians are overscored all the time, but in Russia they usually are, currently and historically. This whole “they scored this high in this Russian event - where the judging is clearly in their favour - so they deserve to be scoring that high in every non-Russian event where the judging would be less biased to them” is a pretty loose argument. In fact it’s the worst argument for what a skater’s scores should be regardless of nationality, using national events as a barometer for how a skater should be judged elsewhere since national events almost invariably boost their own skaters. I mean, we might as well use the Channel One scoring to determine PCS for those skaters internationally.

Also, my apologies, I didn’t realize this was a fan fest for Russian women’s figure skating and we aren’t allowed to say anything remotely critical. :laugh:
 
I think that was a good skate for Shcherbakova. After watching her practice sessions i thought her quad is not ready at all.
But it was only q in the free. She definitely can improve on that part.
 
I think that was a good skate for Shcherbakova. After watching her practice sessions i thought her quad is not ready at all.
But it was only q in the free. She definitely can improve on that part.
I agree with the posters that say Anna doesn't jump up with maximum spring in her practice quad attempts.
 
Wow, I think with the result of Budapest trophy the judges have sent a clear message to Anna. She needs to land some quads to win.
I honestly think this was just a judging and technical panel that did its job correctly. ( Other than the persistent obsession with lips while flutzes are ignored) They weren't sending anyone messages, they were just judging what was put out on the ice. This good judging likely won't carry over to other competitions. Anna will be fine.
 
My point was that the scoring in Gdansk was normal and the scoring at Krasnoyarsk was favouring the Russians. I’m not saying all Russians are overscored all the time, but in Russia they usually are, currently and historically. This whole “they scored this high in this Russian event - where the judging is clearly in their favour - so they deserve to be scoring that high in every non-Russian event where the judging would be less biased to them” is a pretty loose argument. In fact it’s the worst argument for what a skater’s scores should be regardless of nationality, using national events as a barometer for how a skater should be judged elsewhere since national events almost invariably boost their own skaters. I mean, we might as well use the Channel One scoring to determine PCS for those skaters internationally.

Also, my apologies, I didn’t realize this was a fan fest for Russian women’s figure skating and we aren’t allowed to say anything remotely critical. :laugh:
Samodelkina had higher scores in Gdańsk vs Krasnoyarsk. Judging is bias because it’s a professional call.
 
It occurred to me the old mantra "No quad = no Olympic medal" is outdated.
No quadS (more better) means no Olympics at all. For Russian ladies.
Except may be Tuktamisheva. And she's better to try to land some quad quickly...
 
My point was that the scoring in Gdansk was normal and the scoring at Krasnoyarsk was favouring the Russians. I’m not saying all Russians are overscored all the time, but in Russia they usually are, currently and historically. This whole “they scored this high in this Russian event - where the judging is clearly in their favour - so they deserve to be scoring that high in every non-Russian event where the judging would be less biased to them” is a pretty loose argument. In fact it’s the worst argument for what a skater’s scores should be regardless of nationality, using national events as a barometer for how a skater should be judged elsewhere since national events almost invariably boost their own skaters. I mean, we might as well use the Channel One scoring to determine PCS for those skaters internationally.

Also, my apologies, I didn’t realize this was a fan fest for Russian women’s figure skating and we aren’t allowed to say anything remotely critical. :laugh:
No way the case of Gdansk scoring could be reduced only to comparison with scoring in Krasnoyarsk. A lot was said on that matter in competition threads and something here and in the qualification threads, no need to repeat that and I certainly do not believe you missed that.

Your previous post, and this one too, however, had nothing to do with being just reasonably critical, it was just nothing but a giving a vent to personal bias.
 
She did two 4Ts though?
Yes, the first one was with a step-out, the second one was clean with a combo with 3T, but possibly should have been with a 2T, because Maiia Zayaked herself and the last Lutz was not evaluated as she repeated 4T, 3Lz and 3T. I guess the layout is how the program should be if she was doing 4S instead of one of the 4Ts and maybe she didn't realize that in the moment (as she had to put the combo behind the second quad because of the step-out on the first one).
 
I hope I am wrong and alena, Anna and Sasha can pull through, but they are all in their third senior season and well it's sadly right on the timeline of eteris method that in their third season they recline and the new and younger seniors take over. It was the same with zhenya, then with alina, now it's the 3 . I do really hope i am wrong here , because i like all 3.
 
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